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[CuriousArtemis]

Oh really? I heard he was one of those rare exceptions. Unless I was thinking about another one.

 

Off the top of my head...I'm not sure? I keep seeing new Kickstarters and things on Greenlight, so I'd suggest lurking around there or looking for places that might post links to these things because my memory sucks. I know Magical Diary might have a guy protagonist version coming out at some point with at least two s/s romances, (maybe three if the developer repeats a romance from the last one?). That was definitely one where you start off thinking this is just bad Harry Potter fanfiction or something and then you randomly realise you really love the characters. 

 

He's probably better in the game; I only saw the anime, and remember, I quit after one episode... I'm a tough customer xD

 

I looked Magical Diary up and this review cracked me up:

 

Still managed to fail every single test despite being married to the teacher. Finished game a complete failure.

 

But it's getting lots of good reviews. I'll keep an eye on it.

[Tishina]

Yeah, I mean there's some that I really want to try, but the effort to actually buy the game, (which for the really good ones can be super expensive), and then find the English translation patch is really...just ugh. Dramatical Murder, (I think it's called), is the one I'm most interested in at the moment, (and I am not usually a fan of BL at all). The story just seems so interesting and apparently it has a lot of the tropes that I love, (like the insane bad endings). But a lot more visual novels and dating sims are coming to Steam, which is great and I am buying more or less all of them . A lot of them, even when they're bad, they're just so bizarrely, enjoyably bad, like watching the Room and I LOVE it. And if I were you, I'd keep my eyes on Steam, because I know there's a lot of upcoming stuff which will be relevant to your interests. (And usually the Steam version edits out the sex scenes)

 

I don't think my Quizzy would, but mainly cos she's an elf and Lavellan, (at least according my interpretation), refers more to her clan name than her actual surname. And I don't think a Trevelyan would either considering she's noble and Cullen isn't. Not that I think they would change anyway.

I'm with you. Changing the last name is a lot more recent and less "ancient tradition" than most people seem to think anyway, lol. But it has particular meaning for a Dalish because you trace your ancestry back through that name (I think to a noble who survived the Exalted March on the Dales or something?) To me, it would be surrendering any claim to Dalishness, which is fine if you're playing an elf who had no particular attachment to their clan or culture. I tend to play my Dalish as quite proud of their people (even if my Solasmancer did agree to let him remove the slave markings.) I don't play humans, but I also agree that a noble wouldn't normally change her name either. But if the IQ does return, I think having multiple possible last names would create a lot more complexity than they'd want to program in, especially since they'd have to make it optional, just as getting married was optional. For those who want a name change, it's easy enough to headcannon that the use of Lavellan or Trevelyan is the equivalent of seeing a stage name in use.

[riverbanks]

So in Trespasser

Spoiler

do imagine Cullen taking the Inquisitor's last name or vice-versa, or both keeping their respective last names, when they get married?

 

My Trev would want to keep her own name, for various reasons: her family and clan are such a huge part of her identity and sense of self, she couldn't even imagine not being a Trevelyan anymore; the sense of object permanence in still having her own name is emotionally stabilizing for her, after the loss of her hand; and finally, keeping her noble station post-Inquisition is financially interesting to both of them, on the long term. Just how things go, I don't see Cullen taking issue to it or anything.

 

On the other hand, I don't see Cullen taking the Trevelyan name either, though. He married a fancy schmancy noble lady, against all odds, but I think that's as far as he'll want to go in terms of being elevated to nobility himself. Good old Ser Rutherford from backwater Honnleath still serves him just fine, and all.

 

I'm still debating internally whether their noodlets would be Trevelyan-Rutherfords or Rutherford-Trevelyans, though, as that has vastly different implications for where Cullen & Inky end up in my headcanons. That's a question that'll probably haunt me until DA4 comes out and settles whether the IQ is returning or not and how her cameo will leave her off in the end, just like my Hawke's final fate with Seb haunted me until DAI let me know where she stands now.

[Dasha Dreyson]

I get that there's a lot of fan-pairings for Cullen which is cool...I just personally can't see him with anybody else but Lady IQ...I've waited too long to get Cullen and that's that! 

I'm that way too, but more because there's not really an in game pairing for him like we've had for a few characters in the past. (Yes, I trod around the countryside just to trigger certain dialogue.) After the beginning DAO mage, he just needs to be able to hook up with somebody.

 

I think he and Cass would be hilarious trying to date and ultimately failing (poor Cullen). She would so want him to be romantic and he would try so hard and utterly fail from lack of experience. She would just "ugh" at him. (Then there would be the awkward times of Bull and Varric trying to help him out.)

[riverbanks]

I think he and Cass would be hilarious trying to date and ultimately failing (poor Cullen). She would so want him to be romantic and he would try so hard and utterly fail from lack of experience. She would just "ugh" at him. (Then there would be the awkward times of Bull and Varric trying to help him out.)

 

That could also be true of Cullen with a super romantic Inquisitor wanting the same kind of fairy tale romance Cassandra wants. If it still works out for that Quizzie, no reason it couldn't work out with Cass too.

 

I know I'm the minority as a C/C shipper so that makes me a bit :\ about how easily they get discarded, but it's kinda weird how everyone immediately jumps to "it would never work!!" over this ship in specific, while at the same time shipping Cullen with random people he barely knows or has nothing in common with like Dorian, Alistair etc, as if that would work so much better than two people whose romances are basically the inverted version of each other... just, kinda weird. I get that their friendship is so great it makes you not wanna ship it, but hey, there's nothing so bad with building relationships on a strong friendship, right. That's the premise of almost every Cullen/Inquisitor fanfic or headcanon you see out there, too.

[CuriousArtemis]

I'm that way too, but more because there's not really an in game pairing for him like we've had for a few characters in the past. (Yes, I trod around the countryside just to trigger certain dialogue.) 

 

Oh man I can't think of a single canon companion x companion pairing that I like. Aveline x Donnic don't count b/c Donnic's not a companion (I love that pairing with all my heart). But most of the time I disagree vehemently with who the writers thing should end up together.

[Dasha Dreyson]

That could also be true of Cullen with a super romantic Inquisitor wanting the same kind of fairy tale romance Cassandra wants. If it still works out for that Quizzie, no reason it couldn't work out with Cass too.

 

I know I'm the minority as a C/C shipper so that makes me a bit :\ about how easily they get discarded, but it's kinda weird how everyone immediately jumps to "it would never work!!" over this ship in specific, while at the same time shipping Cullen with random people he barely knows or has nothing in common with like Dorian, Alistair etc, as if that would work so much better than two people whose romances are basically the inverted version of each other... just, kinda weird. I get that their friendship is so great it makes you not wanna ship it, but hey, there's nothing so bad with building relationships on a strong friendship, right. That's the premise of almost every Cullen/Inquisitor fanfic or headcanon you see out there, too.

I think they'd be great, Cass is just so darn picky though.I agree about building on strong friendships. I think that's why Cass would be willing to start a relationship with him. It just depends on how much patience she has.

 

Oh man I can't think of a single canon companion x companion pairing that I like. Aveline x Donnic don't count b/c Donnic's not a companion (I love that pairing with all my heart). But most of the time I disagree vehemently with who the writers thing should end up together.

I don't even care if it's what I consider a good pairing. I just love watching relationships.

[riverbanks]

I think they'd be great, Cass is just so darn picky though.I agree about building on strong friendships. I think that's why Cass would be willing to start a relationship with him. It just depends on how much patience she has.

 

Well, she has the right to be picky, Galyan did set a high bar. But Cullen is no blushing wallflower himself, if that kiss in the battlements (where he almost sucks the Inquisitor's soul out of her ) is any indication, so he'd probably do fine once both their patience for fumbling and stumbling around their feelings like fools ran out.

 

...kinda like it happened with my own IQ, so maybe that's why I like that dynamic, heh

[Tishina]

That could also be true of Cullen with a super romantic Inquisitor wanting the same kind of fairy tale romance Cassandra wants. If it still works out for that Quizzie, no reason it couldn't work out with Cass too.

 

I know I'm the minority as a C/C shipper so that makes me a bit :\ about how easily they get discarded, but it's kinda weird how everyone immediately jumps to "it would never work!!" over this ship in specific, while at the same time shipping Cullen with random people he barely knows or has nothing in common with like Dorian, Alistair etc, as if that would work so much better than two people whose romances are basically the inverted version of each other... just, kinda weird. I get that their friendship is so great it makes you not wanna ship it, but hey, there's nothing so bad with building relationships on a strong friendship, right. That's the premise of almost every Cullen/Inquisitor fanfic or headcanon you see out there, too.

I definitely favor building on a basis of strong friendship. I actually like the idea of C/C, but I think I hold back from it a little because of the Seeker/Templar dynamic and a sense they'd be a little uncomfortable because of what he went through, etc. I'm not sure if that entirely makes sense out loud, lol...

[CuriousArtemis]

I know I'm the minority as a C/C shipper so that makes me a bit :\ about how easily they get discarded, but it's kinda weird how everyone immediately jumps to "it would never work!!" over this ship in specific, while at the same time shipping Cullen with random people he barely knows or has nothing in common with like Dorian, Alistair etc, as if that would work so much better than two people whose romances are basically the inverted version of each other... just, kinda weird. I get that their friendship is so great it makes you not wanna ship it, but hey, there's nothing so bad with building relationships on a strong friendship, right. That's the premise of almost every Cullen/Inquisitor fanfic or headcanon you see out there, too.

 

Eh well I never insulted Cullen x Cass or anything, just said I don't ship it anymore I don't think anyone else said anything bad either. Like you I'm not a Cullistair fan but I don't think I'll ever call the pairing weird or suggest they have nothing in common (I mean come on... half the time they're accused of being too similar by non-fans xD). I just don't believe in dissing other people's pairings.

 

Actually my Cullen x Inquisitor fics build off their differences more than anything. The one thing they have in common is that they're both warriors, to an extent. Neither feels like he fits in either; they're both a bit lost in this new life. So they have that in common. But I don't see them becoming friends first because the tension between them is just too high. More like they have to keep their distance so naughty things don't happen

[Hellion Rex]

That could also be true of Cullen with a super romantic Inquisitor wanting the same kind of fairy tale romance Cassandra wants. If it still works out for that Quizzie, no reason it couldn't work out with Cass too.

 

I know I'm the minority as a C/C shipper so that makes me a bit :\ about how easily they get discarded, but it's kinda weird how everyone immediately jumps to "it would never work!!" over this ship in specific, while at the same time shipping Cullen with random people he barely knows or has nothing in common with like Dorian, Alistair etc, as if that would work so much better than two people whose romances are basically the inverted version of each other... just, kinda weird. I get that their friendship is so great it makes you not wanna ship it, but hey, there's nothing so bad with building relationships on a strong friendship, right. That's the premise of almost every Cullen/Inquisitor fanfic or headcanon you see out there, too.

Oh honey, I ship it too, no worries. Cass and Cullen are a decent match, at least to me. At the very least, extremely good friends.

[riverbanks]

Eh well I never insulted Cullen x Cass or anything, just said I don't ship it anymore I don't think anyone else said anything bad either. Like you I'm not a Cullistair fan but I don't think I'll ever call the pairing weird or suggest they have nothing in common (I mean come on... half the time they're accused of being too similar by non-fans xD). I just don't believe in dissing other people's pairings.

 

Didn't say anyone insulted the pairing? Nor called any ship weird either. Said it's a bit weird how this ship (which doesn't take much stretching) is so easily dismissed (in general) when other ships (that need a lot more stretching) are so easily accepted (in general). The situation in itself is weird, not the ships involved. No dissing in either direction, as far as I can see.

[riverbanks]

I definitely favor building on a basis of strong friendship. I actually like the idea of C/C, but I think I hold back from it a little because of the Seeker/Templar dynamic and a sense they'd be a little uncomfortable because of what he went through, etc. I'm not sure if that entirely makes sense out loud, lol...

 
It does, yeah. I can see that it would be weird if Cullen was still a Templar, the fraternization mixed up with Cass being his superior in a sense, as a Seeker. I wouldn't bring his relationship with Meredith into it since she reads as much a surrogate maternal figure as an authority one to him for me, but it could be a valid concern if one reads it differently, too. The rank inbalance is probably what would personally squick me out of it, if he was still in the Order - I struggled a lot with it while romancing Kaidan as his CO in Mass Effect, for instance, until he eventually got to a higher rank that put them on more equal footing.

 

But he's not a Templar anymore, so I think it would follow the same principle of Cullen/mage in general - it could be ~problematic~ if he was still a Templar, but since he's not anymore, relationships with people above and below his station as a Templar flow a lot easier. Cass is still a Seeker and could even come to be Divine, but despite trusting her with the lyrium issue as a friend, Cullen generally doesn't answer to her as his superior anymore. They're friends on equal footing by the time the Inquisition rolls the banners out.

 

Oh honey, I ship it too, no worries. Cass and Cullen are a decent match, at least to me. At the very least, extremely good friends.

 

You have all the right opinions about everything, though, I'm hardly surprised anymore.

[Tishina]

 
It does, yeah. I can see that it would be weird if Cullen was still a Templar, the fraternization mixed up with Cass being his superior in a sense, as a Seeker. I wouldn't bring his relationship with Meredith into it since she reads as much a surrogate maternal figure as an authority one to him for me, but it could be a valid concern if one reads it differently, too. The rank inbalance is probably what would personally squick me out of it, if he was still in the Order - I struggled a lot with it while romancing Kaidan as his CO in Mass Effect, for instance, until he eventually got to a higher rank that put them on more equal footing.

 

But he's not a Templar anymore, so I think it would follow the same principle of Cullen/mage in general - it could be ~problematic~ if he was still a Templar, but since he's not anymore, relationships with people above and below his station as a Templar flow a lot easier. Cass is still a Seeker and could even come to be Divine, but despite trusting her with the lyrium issue as a friend, Cullen generally doesn't answer to her as his superior anymore. They're friends on equal footing by the time the Inquisition rolls the banners out.

 

 

You have all the right opinions about everything, though, I'm hardly surprised anymore.

I'm actually thinking more in relation to the lyrium withdrawal, the fact he is an ex-Templar, and her discovery of some of the things the Seekers had been withholding. I'm too tired and brain dead right now to put it into clear terms, though.

[CuriousArtemis]

They are definitely good friends by the end of the game, and tbh I never saw them as anything but equals. She created the inquisition and is essentially our right hand; he is our general. They have to work together, not as a hierarchy, and they do. 

[riverbanks]

I'm actually thinking more in relation to the lyrium withdrawal, the fact he is an ex-Templar, and her discovery of some of the things the Seekers had been withholding. I'm too tired and brain dead right now to put it into clear terms, though.

 

Oooh, interesting. I'm almost going to bed here too so no brain left to draw the necessary conclusions right now but I'll take note and think about that, see if I can figure what you mean there.

[Lady Artifice]

I don't ship many non canon couples. There usually needs to some in universe acknowledgement of the pairing for me to even consider it. 

[R2s Muse]

It's all good. 

 

[R2s Muse]

Loverly Feylen art of modern AU Cullen (x Trev, btw), from a fanfic.
 

 
http://razzmatash.tu...m-good-and-okay

[CuriousArtemis]

It's all good. 

 

 

 

Do you think we as Cullen fans are unique in that we can ship him with so many different people??

 

Or is it just a consequence of him being in all three games. So we know him best, and he's interacted with so many different characters. 

 

I like to think it is because he has evolved into such a complex and well-written character. He has nuances that allow you to envision him in a lot of different scenarios; we can predict how he'll respond with this or that person. 

 

I did not like his overall story and character growth in DAI initially but I'm coming around to it. He was so happy rubbing that dog's belly. Such a simple action but it seemed like the long-troubled man had become a careless boy again, and it was beautiful to see.

[GoldenGail3]

(Is doing all romances... Is stressed to get them all done...) I love the Cullen, Solas, and Cassandra romances, they were fun. Blackwall was boring. And I'm not even done with it. And I'm bored of him. I think the Blackwall romance has given me a new liking to my other romances, becuase I'm not about to break up with him (Iron Bull, Dorian, or Josehine romances I haven't done yet, I think I'll do the Dorian romance)

[Cantina]

I'm with you. Changing the last name is a lot more recent and less "ancient tradition" than most people seem to think anyway, lol. But it has particular meaning for a Dalish because you trace your ancestry back through that name (I think to a noble who survived the Exalted March on the Dales or something?) To me, it would be surrendering any claim to Dalishness, which is fine if you're playing an elf who had no particular attachment to their clan or culture. I tend to play my Dalish as quite proud of their people (even if my Solasmancer did agree to let him remove the slave markings.) I don't play humans, but I also agree that a noble wouldn't normally change her name either. But if the IQ does return, I think having multiple possible last names would create a lot more complexity than they'd want to program in, especially since they'd have to make it optional, just as getting married was optional. For those who want a name change, it's easy enough to headcannon that the use of Lavellan or Trevelyan is the equivalent of seeing a stage name in use.

 

Depends on which reign in the world you speak of. Is it an old tradition? Yes, yes it is.

 

King Henry the VIII declared that all children be listed under their father's name. And it goes backwards from there. People in Ancient Greece did not necessarily have last names but clan names. Thus the women would become apart of her husband clan.

 

<clears throat> Anyways....

 

I'm one of those people who is a strong believer in taking the husband's last name. Unless his last name makes your first name sound ridiculous. Like Anita Bath etc. And I don't care for that silly sh!t of - your last name with your spouse. Got a faimly friend that does that. I told her once that she was not some Queen of England. But people DO have strange tastes. Hell they might think mine is strange.

 

At any rate...

 

My Quizzy took Cullen's last name. And she is going to wear it like a freaking crown.

[Tishina]

I don't ship many non canon couples. There usually needs to some in universe acknowledgement of the pairing for me to even consider it. 

It's just a fun exercise in what ifs and enjoying the idea of the NPCs having lives of their own. And honestly, a lot depends on how satisfied you were with the options you had for your cannon Inquisitor in-game as to how much you think about non cannon ships. I can ship my favorite Cadash with almost everyone in Skyhold except her official options, lol, down to Cullen's aide Jim and the mason Gatsi, lol.

[PrimaD]

OK. Um. Maybe its just me but whats up with the Enquirer magazine blending of names?

 
I'm an Old™ but I want to say that's been pretty common for the last 8-10 years.
 
Speaking of being old, I swear to gawd that Melissa had a post that I was going to quote and respond to but it's not there now.

Anyhow, it was about picturing anyone other than one's personal inquisitor with Cullen as difficult and I think this is the reason why I prefer non-conventional pairings. My inquisitor's story isn't the next person's so I find it difficult to engage. Even when I think of the F!Inquisitor/Cullen stories that I have enjoyed, for the most part they've been from Cullen's POV and the Inquisitor's background beyond what's given isn't as fleshed out.

[R2s Muse]

 
Do you think we as Cullen fans are unique in that we can ship him with so many different people??

 
Or is it just a consequence of him being in all three games. So we know him best, and he's interacted with so many different characters. 
 
I like to think it is because he has evolved into such a complex and well-written character. He has nuances that allow you to envision him in a lot of different scenarios; we can predict how he'll respond with this or that person. 
 
I did not like his overall story and character growth in DAI initially but I'm coming around to it. He was so happy rubbing that dog's belly. Such a simple action but it seemed like the long-troubled man had become a careless boy again, and it was beautiful to see.

I dunno. I think if we dug in to other characters, there are bound to be lots of canon and non-canon ships. :shrug: With Cullen, tho, I feel like we've discussed every possible alternate universe of him now, that if it's remotely plausible... it's plausible now.

And, yeah, it was strangely satisfying seeing him walk off into the sunset with just a dog by his side in my first epilogue. Plus... ahem, I got to see his shoulders.