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[Cantina]

Its just plain adorable that a Mabari imprinted on Cullen.

[Lady Artifice]

It's just a fun exercise in what ifs and enjoying the idea of the NPCs having lives of their own. And honestly, a lot depends on how satisfied you were with the options you had for your cannon Inquisitor in-game as to how much you think about non cannon ships. I can ship my favorite Cadash with almost everyone in Skyhold except her official options, lol, down to Cullen's aide Jim and the mason Gatsi, lol.

 

I've never thought of it that way before. It's always seemed more like I'd be imposing my vision of a character onto them more than interpreting them.

 

That said, when I really consider it, I think I could probably picture Minaeve with a score of different characters. 

[rpgfan321]

In Korea and Japan, one does not change their last name and I imagine there are other similar cultures where same tradition applies.

 

There's always the hyphen

 

Cullen's last name can be added like a nickname or added as a middle name. My Dalish Inquisitor uses his last name like a pet name, but keeps her Clan name as is.

 

*snip*

Mmmm, mabari butt.

[Tishina]

I've never thought of it that way before. It's always seemed more like I'd be imposing my vision of a character onto them more than interpreting them.

 

That said, when I really consider it, I think I could probably picture Minaeve with a score of different characters. 

They're fictional characters, so you aren't really imposing anything as much as imagining an alternative.

 

Ooo, I could too! I was disappointed that she more or less drops out of the story after Haven.

 

In Korea and Japan, one does not change their last name and I imagine there are other similar cultures where same tradition applies.

 

There's always the hyphen

 

Cullen's last name can be added like a nickname or added as a middle name. My Dalish Inquisitor uses his last name like a pet name, but keeps her Clan name as is.

 

Mmmm, mabari butt.

Yep. Human history does not start and end with one culture. I'm fairly certain changing last names was not common even in a lot of Europe until relatively recently.

 

lol, a fellow mabari lover.

[CuriousArtemis]

And honestly, a lot depends on how satisfied you were with the options you had for your cannon Inquisitor in-game as to how much you think about non cannon ships. I can ship my favorite Cadash with almost everyone in Skyhold except her official options, lol, down to Cullen's aide Jim and the mason Gatsi, lol.

 

I can't create a inquisitor that matches my canon choices for anything, believe me I've tried I have the half-finished playthroughs to prove it But yet I still manage to have (head) canons for my guys... I can't picture Alin with anyone but Solas and can't see Auren with anyone but Cullen. Now Aliss's playthrough I would finish if the game weren't so damn long, but without that squee-worthy romance to help me power through the boring parts I just couldn't finish. But I can't picture her with anyone but Blackwall. But agree with Gail that he's rather boring.

 

Anyhow, it was about picturing anyone other than one's personal inquisitor with Cullen as difficult and I think this is the reason why I prefer non-conventional pairings. My inquisitor's story isn't the next person's so I find it difficult to engage. Even when I think of the F!Inquisitor/Cullen stories that I have enjoyed, for the most part they've been from Cullen's POV and the Inquisitor's background beyond what's given isn't as fleshed out.

 

I've been having that same problem. And it is intensely hypocritical of me b/c, for example, I love Solas x male Lavellan, and I should be reading the few rare fics that are out there, but it is hard to read about someone else's Lavellan... it just doesn't seem right. Even with the much rarer art or screen shot I get jealous... like why is Solas with someone other than my Alin   It's 100% irrational.

 

It's easier to ship them (the NPCs) with each other.

 

With Cullen, tho, I feel like we've discussed every possible alternate universe of him now, that if it's remotely plausible... it's plausible now.

 

Haha yeah remember when Warden Cullen was kind of en vogue for a while? I think partly b/c he looked good in the DA2 Warden armor

 

Well just on a personal level it is rare that I'm satisfied with canon romances in games, film, anime, books, you name it. So I am used to imagining alternatives. I mean I'm still not over the fact that Katniss ended up with Peeta instead of Gale. That is some buuuullshiiiit right there now.

 

Ooo, I could too! I was disappointed that she more or less drops out of the story after Haven.

 

I liked all the "original" people in Haven better than their Skyhold replacements. With the exception of the merchant with Fenris' voice; that guy was a jerk. 

[Lady Artifice]

Ooo, I could too! I was disappointed that she more or less drops out of the story after Haven.

 

She had so much potential for more spotlight. If I had one pick for a NPC to return in DA4, she'd be it. 

[Monica21]

I've been having that same problem. And it is intensely hypocritical of me b/c, for example, I love Solas x male Lavellan, and I should be reading the few rare fics that are out there, but it is hard to read about someone else's Lavellan... it just doesn't seem right. Even with the much rarer art or screen shot I get jealous... like why is Solas with someone other than my Alin It's 100% irrational.

It's easier to ship them (the NPCs) with each other.

Nah, that's not irrational. I have the same problem with my Femshep and Kaidan. I have a hard time reading Kaidan fanfic because I'm just like, "my Shepard wouldn't do that." I'm disgustingly attached to her. It's a little easier with Cullen fic, except it's just super hard to find Trev/Cullen non-mage fics. :/

[EggplantRed]

Just popping in to say hello to everyone!

 

*drops back into the shadows* 

[Rascoth]

I'm still debating internally whether their noodlets would be Trevelyan-Rutherfords or Rutherford-Trevelyans, though, as that has vastly different implications for where Cullen & Inky end up in my headcanons. That's a question that'll probably haunt me until DA4 comes out and settles whether the IQ is returning or not and how her cameo will leave her off in the end, just like my Hawke's final fate with Seb haunted me until DAI let me know where she stands now.

I'm the same. Building headcanon for the future now is pretty pointless (at least for me), because it can be crushed by DA4 (and I'll be utterly disappointed).

 

Just popping in to say hello to everyone!

 

*drops back into the shadows* 

Hello *waves*

[riverbanks]

I'm the same. Building headcanon for the future now is pretty pointless (at least for me), because it can be crushed by DA4 (and I'll be utterly disappointed).

 

Yeah, I made that mistake with Hawke, and did I learn my lesson. All that making future plans and headcanons, figuring out how Hawke would balance ruling Kirkwall while Sebastian ruled Starkhaven, how their relationship would work spending a lot of time distant, how the political situation between both cities could improve when their rulers aren't in competition, how Starkhaven's thriving economy could help Kirkwall prosper and how that could change the lives of the lower classes in Lowtown and Darktown, how Hawke should be introduced at fancy Orlesian galas (Viscount of Kirkwall and Princess of Starkhaven? Duchess? how does Starkhaven call its first lady? *years of research*), how the issue of succession would work (would possible Hawke/Vael babies be in line for both thrones? would it be easier/more politically and economically interesting to annex Kirkwall after all?) etc, all that washed down the drain because lol your choices don't matter. Hawke's no viscount anymore because Reasons??, relationships between Kirkwall and Starkhaven are bound to deteriorate (because Varric is such a childish/irresponsible ruler) and Kirkwall will suffer for it despite my best intentions, so none of that matters anymore.

 

My Hawke can take up knitting now, I guess.

 

So I'm a lot more cautious with my Inquisitor's future, this time around. I do have plans for her and Cullen's more immediate future, because I can't deal with just "they walked off into the sunset THE END," I need to at least work out where they'll live and what they'll do in the first few years following the dissolution of the Inquisition - but I'll be a lot more careful to leave my plans open and flexible enough this time that, when DA4 inevitably wrecks my headcanons up, I can adapt more easily and I'm not left as disappointed as I was in the dismissive treatment of Hawke in DAI. Keep expectations in check, and all.

[riverbanks]

Yep. Human history does not start and end with one culture. I'm fairly certain changing last names was not common even in a lot of Europe until relatively recently.

 

Yeah, I can't speak for Europe, but I do know that that "silly sht" of taking both your parents' surnames or hyphenizing both yours and your spouse's surnames if you intend to take theirs is how my entire latino culture does it across South and Central Americas, so... what some king in England or some clan in ancient Greece says is the right way do marital names means nothing to me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Thedas doesn't have any established marital naming conventions, in any case - off the top of my head, Anora takes after Cailan's and Alistair's Theirin but Rowan remained a Guerrin, Isolde took Eamon's name, but Delilah Howe and Maevaris Tilani kept their own after marrying, etc. Women basically do whatever they want with their names in canon, so whatever anyone wants to do with their own character is good.

[R2s Muse]

I've been having that same problem. And it is intensely hypocritical of me b/c, for example, I love Solas x male Lavellan, and I should be reading the few rare fics that are out there, but it is hard to read about someone else's Lavellan... it just doesn't seem right. Even with the much rarer art or screen shot I get jealous... like why is Solas with someone other than my Alin   It's 100% irrational.

 Yeah, I know what you mean. It varies in how/when it bothers me, and sometimes I can just enjoy it as some alternate universe that has nothing to do with my characters, esp when the PC is really different from mine. Except with Cullen.

 

Sadly, after everything, IQ x Cullen just doesn't really gel for me. :shrug: He'll always be for my Hawke, but that's fine, and I can live in that world for myself. But reading fanfic about him with the IQ generally isn't something I do. (now, my obsession with Solas is another matter...  )
 

Haha yeah remember when Warden Cullen was kind of en vogue for a while? I think partly b/c he looked good in the DA2 Warden armor

 *cough* Because it's true.  I don't know if it was en vogue, but it's just one of many options. Of course... I suppose it's also partially my fault.
 
 


 

Just popping in to say hello to everyone!
 
*drops back into the shadows* 

Welcome back! :waves: Stay!
 
 

I'm the same. Building headcanon for the future now is pretty pointless (at least for me), because it can be crushed by DA4 (and I'll be utterly disappointed).

I dunno. I don't think speculation can ever hurt so long as it's kept in perspective. I doubt any of us can imagine where they'll go with the next game or what role, if any, any of our faves will play. For me, the only danger is in coming up something that's better than where they end up...

[Rascoth]

Yeah, I made that mistake with Hawke, and did I learn my lesson. All that making future plans and headcanons, figuring out how Hawke would balance ruling Kirkwall while Sebastian ruled Starkhaven, how their relationship would work spending a lot of time distant, how the political situation between both cities could improve when their rulers aren't in competition, how Starkhaven's thriving economy could help Kirkwall prosper and how that could change the lives of the lower classes in Lowtown and Darktown, how Hawke should be introduced at fancy Orlesian galas (Viscount of Kirkwall and Princess of Starkhaven? Duchess? how does Starkhaven call its first lady? *years of research*), how the issue of succession would work (would possible Hawke/Vael babies be in line for both thrones? would it be easier/more politically and economically interesting to annex Kirkwall after all?) etc, all that washed down the drain because lol your choices don't matter. Hawke's no viscount anymore because Reasons??, relationships between Kirkwall and Starkhaven are bound to deteriorate (because Varric is such a childish/irresponsible ruler) and Kirkwall will suffer for it despite my best intentions, so none of that matters anymore.

 

My Hawke can take up knitting now, I guess.

 

So I'm a lot more cautious with my Inquisitor's future, this time around. I do have plans for her and Cullen's more immediate future, because I can't deal with just "they walked off into the sunset THE END," I need to at least work out where they'll live and what they'll do in the first few years following the dissolution of the Inquisition - but I'll be a lot more careful to leave my plans open and flexible enough this time that, when DA4 inevitably wrecks my headcanons up, I can adapt more easily and I'm not left as disappointed as I was in the dismissive treatment of Hawke in DAI. Keep expectations in check, and all.

Ugh, that sounds terrible. Building up your world like that just to hear 'lol, nope' 

 

 Yeah, I know what you mean. It varies in how/when it bothers me, and sometimes I can just enjoy it as some alternate universe that has nothing to do with my characters, esp when the PC is really different from mine. Except with Cullen.

 

Sadly, after everything, IQ x Cullen just doesn't really gel for me. :shrug: He'll always be for my Hawke, but that's fine, and I can live in that world for myself. But reading fanfic about him with the IQ generally isn't something I do. (now, my obsession with Solas is another matter...  )

I'm one for those that don't like to read fanfics with characters I romance in game. Well, I'm not fanfic person in general.

 

Cullen with Hawke... That's a nice pairing as well 

I have nothing against pairing him with Hawke... or mage Warden... or Inquisitor. To tell the truth I paired him with all 3 at some point (even now I do it from time to time).

 

Your post reminded me I have to get to my second Solas romance pt, since I don't have saves from my first one... and it was long before Trespasser came out   

 

I dunno. I don't think speculation can ever hurt so long as it's kept in perspective. I doubt any of us can imagine where they'll go with the next game or what role, if any, any of our faves will play. For me, the only danger is in coming up something that's better than where they end up...

Yeah, speculating is fine. It can be fun way to spend all this waiting time.

As long as you don't build your headcanon like poor riverbanks did. You can get burned. 

[riverbanks]

It's a little easier with Cullen fic, except it's just super hard to find Trev/Cullen non-mage fics. :/

 
*cough* If I may... I've been reading this series lately with a warrior Trev that's been keeping me pretty hooked: Herald and Lion.

 

Pretty unique approach from the usual in it, at least as far as I've seen, with the IQ dealing with the trauma of the Conclave explosion and Cullen helping her through that with his own experience dealing with PTSD, etc. It's an interesting take on the relationship, and her IQ is nicely fleshed out too.

[MelissaGT]

 
I'm an Old™ but I want to say that's been pretty common for the last 8-10 years.
 
Speaking of being old, I swear to gawd that Melissa had a post that I was going to quote and respond to but it's not there now.

Anyhow, it was about picturing anyone other than one's personal inquisitor with Cullen as difficult and I think this is the reason why I prefer non-conventional pairings. My inquisitor's story isn't the next person's so I find it difficult to engage. Even when I think of the F!Inquisitor/Cullen stories that I have enjoyed, for the most part they've been from Cullen's POV and the Inquisitor's background beyond what's given isn't as fleshed out.

 

Yup, I very much prefer the fics where the IQ is deliberately left vague...

 

Nah, that's not irrational. I have the same problem with my Femshep and Kaidan. I have a hard time reading Kaidan fanfic because I'm just like, "my Shepard wouldn't do that." I'm disgustingly attached to her. It's a little easier with Cullen fic, except it's just super hard to find Trev/Cullen non-mage fics. :/

 

Werd...

 

I can't count how many times I'll get into a good fic and will be thoroughly enjoying it then it will just turn everything upside down and I'll be left with a giant NOPE! at the end. It's even happened with some where the author deliberately left the IQ vague so you could picture your own IQ and then at the end added in something that just doesn't gel for a vague character because it defines too much. Then you lose what you had pictured in your head because it no longer fits your IQ.

[Ashaantha]

I love waiting for each new game and DLC, it lets me slowly deepen and fill in the blanks of my fan-fic/head-canon story of the series over time. I have always made sure not to go much further then the possibilities the epilogues show because I have no idea what Bioware wants to do in the next game if there is one (or if I do, barely a year and I never head-canon marriage or children). I'm patient, maybe overly so, in this one thing. It helps that I don't start writing or planning anything fan-fic wise other then a scribble note of what's already happened here and there until all content for that protagonist's game is released. I hate having to think of new stuff to replace anything I had that doesn't work anymore thanks to new info. I also rarely, if ever, share anything I write, it's all for me not an audience so I have no-one to please except myself

 

My DA ladies though:

 

Talia - human mage, still obsessed with Cullen this 13 years later (I actually find writing obsessions over other people rather interesting is why this is a thing for her), only difference was where she'd gone off to after Awakening. I'd only gotten to "went off adventuring and found something important" and that's basically what she did in a sense, though going off to find something important rather then actually found it. I do have a scene-setter for her if she ever meets the Inquisitor that 'stole' the man she likes "watch out Kyrrah, she's far more powerful then you, and has nothing holding her back". Yes she's a revenge seeking kind of person even though very kind, polite and helps people whenever she can. Every character needs a darker side. She never romanced anyone in DAO, so is still alone.

 

Ashe - mage. even with her DAI appearance I didn't have to change anything in my headcanon with her, didn't need to. everything played out the same, DAi appearance was a nice addition to her chapter rather then a "damn, now I need to change half of the f-thing I wrote". Ashe ended up with Fenris at some point.

 

Inquisitor (Kyrrah) - I'm not very far with her in writing yet, and won't get far until another game is announced most likely but so far, my favourite protagonist both to play and deepen/flesh out the story of. I'm very, very, attached to Kyrrah. Cullen romancer, I only found out he was a romance only while I was playing DAI (I make a huge point to play games blind, unspoiled, when they're first released) and jumped on that chance because of my Warden's story which I haven't touched since DA2 was released.

 

I'm even currently replaying my "canon" protagonists for a refresher run, starting with DAO. It's been fun

 

*eyes her boring wall of text* ugh sorry about that, I do go on a bit once fic-writing is involved.

[Tishina]

Yeah, I can't speak for Europe, but I do know that that "silly sht" of taking both your parents' surnames or hyphenizing both yours and your spouse's surnames if you intend to take theirs is how my entire latino culture does it across South and Central Americas, so... what some king in England or some clan in ancient Greece says is the right way do marital names means nothing to me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Thedas doesn't have any established marital naming conventions, in any case - off the top of my head, Anora takes after Cailan's and Alistair's Theirin but Rowan remained a Guerrin, Isolde took Eamon's name, but Delilah Howe and Maevaris Tilani kept their own after marrying, etc. Women basically do whatever they want with their names in canon, so whatever anyone wants to do with their own character is good.

I was thinking about South and Central America in particular, and quite a few Native American cultures were matrilineal, in fact. I'm not certain it was that common in most of Europe until the early Modern period either (and possibly later in parts of eastern and northern Europe.) But in game, the instances where someone changed their name usually has to do with the other person having higher rank, or in Isolde's case, probably wanting to distance herself a little from her Orlesian family since her birth name was probably extremely hated by most of Redcliffe's people.

 

Edit: hairy Cullen for top...

[Tishina]

Yup, I very much prefer the fics where the IQ is deliberately left vague...

 

 

Werd...

 

I can't count how many times I'll get into a good fic and will be thoroughly enjoying it then it will just turn everything upside down and I'll be left with a giant NOPE! at the end. It's even happened with some where the author deliberately left the IQ vague so you could picture your own IQ and then at the end added in something that just doesn't gel for a vague character because it defines too much. Then you lose what you had pictured in your head because it no longer fits your IQ.

Hmm, I can see a vague Inquisitor in a fairly short story, or just a series of shorts; in fact those can be a lot of fun (particularly in a smutty story.) But in a longer, more involved story with some plot, it would be very difficult to not end up with a female lead character with very little personality or background, a kind of non-person there just to give the male lead someone to pursue or be adored by. I tend to nope out of those because I want the female lead to be a person with some dimension on her own and not just someone who exists solely to complete his story. I'm not sure that makes sense, and we may be talking about different types of writing, perhaps, though I think it would be pretty obvious right away if the female lead was written as a developed personality in a story...

[Ashaantha]

For Trevelyan surnames etc: From a war table letter: Lady Osher Lotharn Trevelyan Bayart of Ostwick.

 

I got the idea from that, they just tacked each extra name added to the family onto the end, including husband's. So she would have been born a Trevelyan in that case and married a Bayart, so keeping both names. Lotharn could have been mother's maiden name, or grand-father's (mother's side) surname. Ancestry and family trees has been a hobby for mine but I tried to work with what I'd already been given as a reference.

 

Also we have : Philliam Bernard Aloicious Trevelyan.

 

Would make my character Kyrrah Trevelyan Rutherford if going off those sole two references.

 

However with Trevelyan being the youngest child (from the codex for the human Inquisitor) or a mage possibly, plus player preferred stuff, it doesn't matter in the slightest in this regard. Just hadn't seen anyone bring up Trevelyan's current relatives that have a long string of names.

 

I don't know enough about Dalish clans and names other then surname/clan name usually from an Emerald Knight and even that I'm sure I got 100% wrong.

[Rascoth]

Talia - human mage, still obsessed with Cullen this 13 years later (I actually find writing obsessions over other people rather interesting is why this is a thing for her), only difference was where she'd gone off to after Awakening. I'd only gotten to "went off adventuring and found something important" and that's basically what she did in a sense, though going off to find something important rather then actually found it. I do have a scene-setter for her if she ever meets the Inquisitor that 'stole' the man she likes "watch out Kyrrah, she's far more powerful then you, and has nothing holding her back". Yes she's a revenge seeking kind of person even though very kind, polite and helps people whenever she can. Every character needs a darker side. She never romanced anyone in DAO, so is still alone.

May I say I find your Warden really interesting?

I was going to write 'adorable', but that can be interpreted many ways   

 

*eyes her boring wall of text* ugh sorry about that, I do go on a bit once fic-writing is involved.

And I don't see any boring wall of text 

[Ashaantha]

May I say I find your Warden really interesting?

I was going to write 'adorable', but that can be interpreted many ways   

 

And I don't see any boring wall of text 

 

Definitely a boring wall of text, but it is midnight for me lol, I type up the silliest stuff this time of the night.

 

Also thanks, she's been a great character for me for the past 5 years , she is a little endearing.

[Tishina]

For Trevelyan surnames etc: From a war table letter: Lady Osher Lotharn Trevelyan Bayart of Ostwick.

 

I got the idea from that, they just tacked each extra name added to the family onto the end, including husband's. So she would have been born a Trevelyan in that case and married a Bayart, so keeping both names. Lotharn could have been mother's maiden name, or grand-father's (mother's side) surname. Ancestry and family trees has been a hobby for mine but I tried to work with what I'd already been given as a reference.

 

Also we have : Philliam Bernard Aloicious Trevelyan.

 

Would make my character Kyrrah Trevelyan Rutherford if going off those sole two references.

 

However with Trevelyan being the youngest child (from the codex for the human Inquisitor) or a mage possibly, plus player preferred stuff, it doesn't matter in the slightest in this regard. Just hadn't seen anyone bring up Trevelyan's current relatives that have a long string of names.

 

I don't know enough about Dalish clans and names other then surname/clan name usually from an Emerald Knight and even that I'm sure I got 100% wrong.

That might also be the result of parents giving a child all the family names from both sides; I know people whose middle name is the mother's birth family name. But as someone pointed out, it's clear that women do what they want in Thedas. I just don't think we should expect them to go to great lengths to try to accommodate everyone if the IQ returns in the next game is really the point I've been making. I think very few people are making the suggestion that everyone should be forced into one or the other (it certainly has no game relevance.) Consider your IQ to make or not make changes to suit your taste/beliefs, then, as I suggested, think of the use of the base last name as a kind of "stage" name if she returns.

[Monica21]

 
*cough* If I may... I've been reading this series lately with a warrior Trev that's been keeping me pretty hooked: Herald and Lion.

 

Pretty unique approach from the usual in it, at least as far as I've seen, with the IQ dealing with the trauma of the Conclave explosion and Cullen helping her through that with his own experience dealing with PTSD, etc. It's an interesting take on the relationship, and her IQ is nicely fleshed out too.

 

You may, and thank you!

[Arlee]

(Is doing all romances... Is stressed to get them all done...) I love the Cullen, Solas, and Cassandra romances, they were fun. Blackwall was boring. And I'm not even done with it. And I'm bored of him. I think the Blackwall romance has given me a new liking to my other romances, becuase I'm not about to break up with him (Iron Bull, Dorian, or Josehine romances I haven't done yet, I think I'll do the Dorian romance)

 

This is funny to me because originally I had planned to romance Blackwall and hadn't even considered Cullen as an option. But then flirting with Blackwall was incredibly boring whereas from the first flirt with Cullen I was interested... there's just something about his voice and facial expressions there. All the subsequent flirts were also a ton of fun, so he saved me from heartache there. Also, if I had been romancing Blackwall I probably would have left him in prison ><

[Ashaantha]

That might also be the result of parents giving a child all the family names from both sides; I know people whose middle name is the mother's birth family name. But as someone pointed out, it's clear that women do what they want in Thedas. I just don't think we should expect them to go to great lengths to try to accommodate everyone if the IQ returns in the next game is really the point I've been making. I think very few people are making the suggestion that everyone should be forced into one or the other (it certainly has no game relevance.) Consider your IQ to make or not make changes to suit your taste/beliefs, then, as I suggested, think of the use of the base last name as a kind of "stage" name if she returns.

 

I think you skipped over half I wrote.. or I'm completely misreading as well which is likely, but you sound overly defensive about something when I'd already stated that none of what I wrote in that post matters in the slightest, and said ancestry/family trees was just a hobby of mine, and I was writing it just 'cause I found it interesting. Sure I put my Inky's name there but only as an example for where it was going, nothing more. I certainly don't want that to happen.

 

Personally I don't think anything that is in a DLC and was an extremely minor player option affecting only a small amount of Inquisitors would even be brought up in the next game. I could hope I'm wrong, but it really doesn't bother me at all.