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[Rascoth]

Edit: hairy Cullen for top...

 

Oh my... this reminded me I was going to check this mod in game 

 

I don't know enough about Dalish clans and names other then surname/clan name usually from an Emerald Knight and even that I'm sure I got 100% wrong.

I think you're right on this one. 

 

Definitely a boring wall of text, but it is midnight for me lol, I type up the silliest stuff this time of the night.

 

Also thanks, she's been a great character for me for the past 5 years , she is a little endearing.

Ah, wonders of late hours.

 

You're welcome 

 

This is funny to me because originally I had planned to romance Blackwall and hadn't even considered Cullen as an option. But then flirting with Blackwall was incredibly boring whereas from the first flirt with Cullen I was interested... there's just something about his voice and facial expressions there. All the subsequent flirts were also a ton of fun, so he saved me from heartache there. Also, if I had been romancing Blackwall I probably would have left him in prison ><

Blackwall was my planned romance as well, but he just didn't fit any of my Quizzies... until I created a dwarf. It's awkward (because of dreadful camera angles and sudden growth of my Quizzy), but I like this pair.

[CuriousArtemis]

I don't think the writers put a great deal of thought into it. I think they tend to fall back on traditional ideas and tropes when it comes to certain issues. For example, I doubt a whole lot of thought went into why Aveline changed her name twice, each time she married a man. It's probably just because that's what many North American women do today and the writers didn't pause to think about why that would or wouldn't be in Thedas.

 

They are just inconsistent on stuff like this. It's what happens when a series spans years (actual development years I mean); what was done in 2009 (i.e. other characters being surprised a woman would be a soldier and a warden) wouldn't seem right today in 2015. And thus they constantly contradict their own lore.

[Tielis]

In Korea and Japan, one does not change their last name and I imagine there are other similar cultures where same tradition applies.

 

There's always the hyphen

 

Cullen's last name can be added like a nickname or added as a middle name. My Dalish Inquisitor uses his last name like a pet name, but keeps her Clan name as is.

 

Mmmm, mabari butt.

 

"Ellana Rutherford Lavellan" sounds good to me.  

 

Before DAI came out, I played through from the start hoping that Cullen would be a romance option and setting my worldstate up for it.  (It's called "Mages Love Templars".    )

 

I have to shamefully admit that I was briefly distracted by the sparkling shiny head of Solas, but when a dog came into the picture, I knew that I had found my ideal romance option.  (EDIT:  The guy to the left there notwithstanding.    )

[CuriousArtemis]

 (EDIT:  The guy to the left there notwithstanding.    )

 

Abelas is life, Abelas is love

[MelissaGT]

Hmm, I can see a vague Inquisitor in a fairly short story, or just a series of shorts; in fact those can be a lot of fun (particularly in a smutty story.) But in a longer, more involved story with some plot, it would be very difficult to not end up with a female lead character with very little personality or background, a kind of non-person there just to give the male lead someone to pursue or be adored by. I tend to nope out of those because I want the female lead to be a person with some dimension on her own and not just someone who exists solely to complete his story. I'm not sure that makes sense, and we may be talking about different types of writing, perhaps, though I think it would be pretty obvious right away if the female lead was written as a developed personality in a story...

 

Yeah, I can see that...I tend to read shorter stories, where a vague IQ is ok. I have a very hard time getting invested in really in-depth fics unless it's an IQ I really like. So far like 90% of the longer ones I've read I just can't identify with the IQ...whether it be due to being mage-oriented, too young, etc etc. And when that happens I usually spend too much time saying stuff like "my IQ wouldn't do that" so I just give up, lol.

 

I really need to try and write something for Rhiannon...it's just so damn hard!

[R2s Muse]

Abelas is life, Abelas is love

cough. this.
 
edited to add: This is used to be the point where I would suggest that it sounds like we need a new banner. :wistful sigh: RIP BSN banners.
 

[R2s Muse]

I don't think the writers put a great deal of thought into it. I think they tend to fall back on traditional ideas and tropes when it comes to certain issues. For example, I doubt a whole lot of thought went into why Aveline changed her name twice, each time she married a man. It's probably just because that's what many North American women do today and the writers didn't pause to think about why that would or wouldn't be in Thedas.

 

They are just inconsistent on stuff like this. It's what happens when a series spans years (actual development years I mean); what was done in 2009 (i.e. other characters being surprised a woman would be a soldier and a warden) wouldn't seem right today in 2015. And thus they constantly contradict their own lore.

Yeah, I think that's really the crux of it. Each time the devs try to explain the rationale behind their naming schemes, there are so many exceptions that it's clear it's been unevenly applied. :shrug: Leaving us with: players can do what they want, since there don't seem to be any hard and fast rules, in or out of game. 

 

Sort of similar to how I was expecting the new PC to be referred to by her last name all the time, as Hawke was, so built a headcanon for my first IQ, Trev, about why no one uses her first name... then the devs wrote her first name into one of Cullen's codexes! :facepalm: So, R2 tapdances backwards and builds a new headcanon around that. :shrug:  Then... I think of my second IQ, Del Lavellan, with her first name, and then... some folks, like Varric, call her by her last name, which felt weird. Oh well! Gameplay always intrudes. 

[R2s Muse]

Hmm, I can see a vague Inquisitor in a fairly short story, or just a series of shorts; in fact those can be a lot of fun (particularly in a smutty story.) But in a longer, more involved story with some plot, it would be very difficult to not end up with a female lead character with very little personality or background, a kind of non-person there just to give the male lead someone to pursue or be adored by. I tend to nope out of those because I want the female lead to be a person with some dimension on her own and not just someone who exists solely to complete his story. I'm not sure that makes sense, and we may be talking about different types of writing, perhaps, though I think it would be pretty obvious right away if the female lead was written as a developed personality in a story...

Yeah, I run into the same challenges when I write. A story without a well-formed main character is usually either very boring or quickly accused of being Mary Sue-ish. So, I just go for it and write a fully realized character (at least, to the best of my ability! ha!). But for shorter things, where the primary POV can be more ambiguous I'll sometimes leave it open, like a recent short-fic experiment I just wrote about Solavellan (cough, that I'm rather proud of!)

[Sifr]

So in Trespasser

Spoiler

do imagine Cullen taking the Inquisitor's last name or vice-versa, or both keeping their respective last names, when they get married?

 

I'd imagine that for a Trevelyan;

 

Spoiler

They might do the same as Leandra did in DA2, using their married name in private, but using their maiden name as a means of formal address and remind people of their noble standing and lineage.

 

(As a side note and amusing contrast to their mother, Hawke actually turned down the title of "Lord/Lady Amell" when it was offered, implying they did it because they wanted to honour their father's name and earn a title, rather than inherit one.)

 

But yeach, I'd suspect that she'd be "Mrs Cullen Rutherford" in private, but remain "Lady Inquisitor Trevelyan" in public.

 

Not sure about a Lavellan?

 

I'd probably say she'd not to honour her clan (especially if they died due to Cullen's epic fail on the war table... that'd be extremely awkward), but it really depends on each person's Inquisitor and individual headcanon.

 

And, yeah, it was strangely satisfying seeing him walk off into the sunset with just a dog by his side in my first epilogue. Plus... ahem, I got to see his shoulders.

 

I always feel like this slide should be accompanied by the Fallout theme.

 

"C'mon boy, let's go home...."

 

[CuriousArtemis]

I just realized that Cullen is a very responsible owner - that mabari is neutered. Good on ya, Cullen!

[CuriousArtemis]

Sort of similar to how I was expecting the new PC to be referred to by her last name all the time, as Hawke was, so built a headcanon for my first IQ, Trev, about why no one uses her first name... then the devs wrote her first name into one of Cullen's codexes! :facepalm: So, R2 tapdances backwards and builds a new headcanon around that. :shrug:  Then... I think of my second IQ, Del Lavellan, with her first name, and then... some folks, like Varric, call her by her last name, which felt weird. Oh well! Gameplay always intrudes. 

 

Every time they called me "Lavellan" it felt jolting. I don't know why. I was fine with being called Hawke or Shepard and in fact like it and felt it strengthened their identity. Or when Josephine says "Master Lavellan" I sort of startle and realize, That's me, she's talking about me!

[Hellion Rex]

 

 

You have all the right opinions about everything, though, I'm hardly surprised anymore.

Oh, you flatter me, my dear.

[Tishina]

I think you skipped over half I wrote.. or I'm completely misreading as well which is likely, but you sound overly defensive about something when I'd already stated that none of what I wrote in that post matters in the slightest, and said ancestry/family trees was just a hobby of mine, and I was writing it just 'cause I found it interesting. Sure I put my Inky's name there but only as an example for where it was going, nothing more. I certainly don't want that to happen.

 

Personally I don't think anything that is in a DLC and was an extremely minor player option affecting only a small amount of Inquisitors would even be brought up in the next game. I could hope I'm wrong, but it really doesn't bother me at all.

Sorry, I was trying to answer in a hurry and was being broader than just responding to your post. Partly, I try to be careful to make certain I don't accidentally say that I think something should be one way or another.

 

"Ellana Rutherford Lavellan" sounds good to me.  

 

Before DAI came out, I played through from the start hoping that Cullen would be a romance option and setting my worldstate up for it.  (It's called "Mages Love Templars".    )

 

I have to shamefully admit that I was briefly distracted by the sparkling shiny head of Solas, but when a dog came into the picture, I knew that I had found my ideal romance option.  (EDIT:  The guy to the left there notwithstanding.    )

You know, I could actually go for a system where both partners take the other person's last name as their middle name...Both partners are equally committed and both are saying that marriage changes them.

 

Yeah, I can see that...I tend to read shorter stories, where a vague IQ is ok. I have a very hard time getting invested in really in-depth fics unless it's an IQ I really like. So far like 90% of the longer ones I've read I just can't identify with the IQ...whether it be due to being mage-oriented, too young, etc etc. And when that happens I usually spend too much time saying stuff like "my IQ wouldn't do that" so I just give up, lol.

 

I really need to try and write something for Rhiannon...it's just so damn hard!

You should!

[Fawna]

Hey guys been awhile got the new DLC haven't played it yet because still into ME right now gosh it came out it what 07 08? Man was I under a rock. My kids make fun of my shooting so it's one of them have to get do all side quest an all that. Finally up to hardcore yay look this is my first shooting game every so I'm proud of myself. One thing Bioware needs to work one is making ur character ugh. So change my pic her names Sugar took forever. So going to go threw all three then do new run threw of the DA series. Got all my canning done for winter grand baby asleep an have all clothes done. First have to finish reading the fanfic anyways. Thanks guys for dragging me out of BG series to newer stuff don't know what I'd do if I hadn't found you all you all have a beautiful day, I love fall!!

[Tishina]

Yeah, I run into the same challenges when I write. A story without a well-formed main character is usually either very boring or quickly accused of being Mary Sue-ish. So, I just go for it and write a fully realized character (at least, to the best of my ability! ha!). But for shorter things, where the primary POV can be more ambiguous I'll sometimes leave it open, like a recent short-fic experiment I just wrote about Solavellan (cough, that I'm rather proud of!)

You should be proud! That was a lovely sequence.

 

Every time they called me "Lavellan" it felt jolting. I don't know why. I was fine with being called Hawke or Shepard and in fact like it and felt it strengthened their identity. Or when Josephine says "Master Lavellan" I sort of startle and realize, That's me, she's talking about me!

I actually took for granted the address by last name by itself, not that they even used that very much. Americans are a lot more casual about the use of the first name than a lot of countries, I think? Or is it just that particular last name that was jarring, lol?

[rpgfan321]

I think it's safe to assume family names are included in the official line of names for humans. I mean names are quite important in the game. Cassandra is a good example. Her full name is her family tree/history (iirc, it sounds like a string of family names). I think the principles applies to Orlesian and Ferelden noble families as well.

 

As for Lavellans, I think there's a work out there by a fan lexicon out there in the web that mentioned Dalish names. In the mentioned fan lexicon, I read there's the first name, family name, and clan name. So, I guess it can work like first name, family name born into, (prior clan names of father/mother who came to current clan), current Clan name. Because Dalish elves transfer from one clan to another when necessary to extend genetic pool or train magic users. Clan names did stem from elven nobles or important figures. I see clan names have more importance than family last names. If all of that made sense, lol

 

So, to Lavellans, it's more likely to see Cullen's family and his last name as a clan name. It still leaves room for Dalish inquisitors to keep Lavellan as their last name or take up Rutherford as the official name. Or use both via hyphen or what have you. *keyboard smash* it's up to the players!

[Tielis]

You know, I could actually go for a system where both partners take the other person's last name as their middle name...Both partners are equally committed and both are saying that marriage changes them.

 

I love this!  If I ever get married again, maybe that's what I'll do.  Being an artist and having one's business being one's name precludes changing the surname.  

[CuriousArtemis]

I actually took for granted the address by last name by itself, not that they even used that very much. Americans are a lot more casual about the use of the first name than a lot of countries, I think? Or is it just that particular last name that was jarring, lol?

 

I think it's because it was so rarely used. "Hawke" and "Shepard" were pretty much the main forms of address in their respective games, but the one or two times someone called me "Lavellan" I was like, Huh? Oh, that's me?!

 

Oh yes I do think American forms of address are more casual, but as for me personally, I am a teacher, so mostly I am called Dr. [Last Name], and only friends and family call me by my first name. 

 

In truth both suck because I hate both my names

[Sifr]

 

I actually took for granted the address by last name by itself, not that they even used that very much. Americans are a lot more casual about the use of the first name than a lot of countries, I think? Or is it just that particular last name that was jarring, lol?

 

Yeah, having the protagonist get addressed by their surname barely registered with me since I'm so used to hearing it in the UK.

 

Come to think about it, that's probably one of the reasons why I find it so endearing whenever the Inquisitor refers to Josephine as "Lady Montilyet". Using someone's surname as both a formal means of address and affectionate nickname is a very British thing to do.

 

[Tishina]

I love this!  If I ever get married again, maybe that's what I'll do.  Being an artist and having one's business being one's name precludes changing the surname.  

Changing a surname is really problematic for a lot of professionals. And it's actually a hassle in many parts of the US to get it changed or to change it back afterwards. Locally, you take a risk of being barred from voting in an election if you haven't gotten every single piece of paper on file everywhere properly changed so they all exactly match (and you only have so much control over whether or not they actually make a change you request.) I've been relieved I never changed it so didn't have to deal with the hassles, but if I were doing it over again, yeah, I'd like the idea of taking each other's last name as a middle name. My middle name was the generic issue middle name for girls for about 5 years before and after I was born anyway, so it wouldn't break my heart to dispose of it, lol.

[BevH]

I think the problem with surnames is it works differently in each country. What I noticed in Ferelden seems to be the spouse takes the name of the higher ranking noble family. Case in point is the Couslands. That name would've died out ages ago if a female Teyrn had taken the name of her husband. Personally, I imagine my Trev taking the name of Rutherford since she was very tired of her mother playing at matchmaker. 

[CuriousArtemis]

Changing a surname is really problematic for a lot of professionals. And it's actually a hassle in many parts of the US to get it changed or to change it back afterwards. Locally, you take a risk of being barred from voting in an election if you haven't gotten every single piece of paper on file everywhere properly changed so they all exactly match (and you only have so much control over whether or not they actually make a change you request.) I've been relieved I never changed it so didn't have to deal with the hassles, but if I were doing it over again, yeah, I'd like the idea of taking each other's last name as a middle name. My middle name was the generic issue middle name for girls for about 5 years before and after I was born anyway, so it wouldn't break my heart to dispose of it, lol.

 

Your idea is so cool! Well the spouse's name could be a fourth name. So you could have [first] [middle] [spouse] [last]. I guess the only difficult part remaining is what name to give the kids, if there are any. 

 

I think the problem with surnames is it works differently in each country. What I noticed in Ferelden seems to be the spouse takes the name of the higher ranking noble family. Case in point is the Couslands. That name would've died out ages ago if a female Teyrn had taken the name of her husband. Personally, I imagine my Trev taking the name of Rutherford since she was very tired of her mother playing at matchmaker. 

 

Yeah but I would imagine upper class folk like the Couslands and the Mac Tirs and what not play by different rules. How does it work for the commonfolk of Thedas is what I'm curious about, though I'm sticking to my previous notion that the devs haven't developed their world enough to say either way, and when pressed, will default to traditional naming methods (woman takes man's name)... which honestly irritates me, not just on feminist principles, but because it is such lazy world-building... why, if you would claim to have an egalitarian society with an egalitarian (even matriarchal leaning) history would you have a tradition of women taking men's names. Bah.

 

And then, of course, what about s/s couples? I haven't romanced Sera, but how does that work? Is it a marriage just like Cass's and Cullen's (hope so). So what's the convention there I wonder.

[MelissaGT]

All I know is that name-changing drives me nuts with my job...all of a sudden out of the blue I can't find someone in the company directory...or I'll be looking at two different names and not realize it's the same person! 

 

In terms of name-changing myself? Nope, wouldn't change my last name...unless it's a really awesome last name. And my b/f's last name is not awesome...but I'm not getting married anyways so it doesn't matter. 

[BevH]

 

Yeah but I would imagine upper class folk like the Couslands and the Mac Tirs and what not play by different rules. How does it work for the commonfolk of Thedas is what I'm curious about, though I'm sticking to my previous notion that the devs haven't developed their world enough to say either way, and when pressed, will default to traditional naming methods (woman takes man's name)... which honestly irritates me, not just on feminist principles, but because it is such lazy world-building... why, if you would claim to have an egalitarian society with an egalitarian (even matriarchal leaning) history would you have a tradition of women taking men's names. Bah.

 

And then, of course, what about s/s couples? I haven't romanced Sera, but how does that work? Is it a marriage just like Cass's and Cullen's (hope so). So what's the convention there I wonder.

I believe they follow the tradition for common folk that they are simply known by their trade. It explains why there are so many Smiths in the world. 

[riverbanks]

And then, of course, what about s/s couples? I haven't romanced Sera, but how does that work? Is it a marriage just like Cass's and Cullen's (hope so). So what's the convention there I wonder.

 

Sera takes the Inquisitor's surname, but mostly because she has no surname of her own to start with, I guess. She's just "Sera" until that point.

 

(It's really cute too, you find this because she fills a page of her journal with "Sera Trevelyan/Lavellan/Cadash/Adaar"s surrounded by little hearts. Cutie.)