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[wiccame]

Guys/gals, I'm still struggling through my canon playthrough and I heard that in order to get Cullen's special mission you have to do the Mage mission instead of the Templar one.

 

Is this still true, or was it changed in a patch?  I hate Fiona so much!  GRRRR making me choose between Cullen and Fiona!

Yeah you need to go with the mages, either conscripting them or allying with them. Either works to get Cullen's quest. He has a personal interest with a certain element that comes up going that route and that's why you can only get it this way.

[MelissaGT]

Perhaps if you're the one doing the breakup rather than letting him dump you, the game will understand that his romance has been broken? I'm not really sure how the flags work for him because I've never romanced him myself but, from what I understand, if you are the one breaking up with him before he can break up with you, your romance flag is cleared out and you can still pick up and speed through Cullen's romance late into the game, yes? So maybe that will let you go through the wedding without bugs.

 

You should be able to manually change the romance flags if need-be via the save edit tool to deactivate the Solace-mance. Then you can change it back if you want to get the romance stuff from Solas after the wedding scene with Cullen. 

 

You can actually go through multiple romances without ever installing that mod by following the directions the mod author has provided to manually edit the flags. 

[riverbanks]

Well, I figure the best time to get Cullen's quest would be in a Cullenmance game.  

 

While you do get one extra romance line through this quest, I'd say if either allying or conscripting the mages doesn't fit what your Inquisitor would do under the circumstances, that one line is not worth derailing your canon for. If the right thing for your character is to do the Champions path, then shrug it off and go for what feels right - it's not your fault they screwed this up by gating Cullen's quest under a choice that's completely unrelated to his character arc, and I think your character staying true and in character to how you see them should still take priority over letting the game railroad you down paths you don't wanna go just to get one certain quest, this or that way.

[Tielis]

While you do get one extra romance line through this quest, I'd say if either allying or conscripting the mages doesn't fit what your Inquisitor would do under the circumstances, that one line is not worth derailing your canon for. If the right thing for your character is to do the Champions path, then shrug it off and go for what feels right - it's not your fault they screwed this up by gating Cullen's quest under a choice that's completely unrelated to his character arc, and I think your character staying true and in character to how you see them should still take priority over letting the game railroad you down paths you don't wanna go just to get one certain quest, this or that way.

 

Agreed, but since this particular Lavellan believes that humans can't handle magic, conscripting the mages would not be out of character for her.

[riverbanks]

Agreed, but since this particular Lavellan believes that humans can't handle magic, conscripting the mages would not be out of character for her.

 

Oooh that's an interesting take, one I hadn't seen on Lavellans yet. Props for putting a creative spin on it! 

[Rascoth]

Agreed, but since this particular Lavellan believes that humans can't handle magic, conscripting the mages would not be out of character for her.

Oh, great minds think alike  I just conscripted mages with my Lavellan today, for pretty much the same reasons.

Tho she's Solasmancer. It'll be fun trying to get that approval back from her future boyfriend.

 

Except for that I picked mages only once, with my other Lavellan (the oldest Quizzy I have saves for).

She was Cullenmancer. I still have to play Trespasser with her, but can't get myself to do it. I already said goodbye to my canon lady. The thought of saying goodbye to another special Quizzy of mine 

[Cantina]

Well, I figure the best time to get Cullen's quest would be in a Cullenmance game.  

 

IMO: If your going to romance Cullen its better to go on the Mages side.

 

One of the best romance lines your Quizzy says to Cullen and his reaction is priceless.

[Cantina]

Oh, great minds think alike  I just conscripted mages with my Lavellan today, for pretty much the same reasons.

Tho she's Solasmancer. It'll be fun trying to get that approval back from her future boyfriend.

 

Except for that I picked mages only once, with my other Lavellan (the oldest Quizzy I have saves for).

She was Cullenmancer. I still have to play Trespasser with her, but can't get myself to do it. I already said goodbye to my canon lady. The thought of saying goodbye to another special Quizzy of mine 

This is why I replay my character again. Plus its an opportunity to get her just right and to romance Cullen all over again.

[MelissaGT]

Agreed, but since this particular Lavellan believes that humans can't handle magic, conscripting the mages would not be out of character for her.

 

Cool concept. Mine was a Templar so she saw the mages as the greater threat needing to be handled, and so went there first. Thankfully that move was totally in character for her. 

[wiccame]

Agreed, but since this particular Lavellan believes that humans can't handle magic, conscripting the mages would not be out of character for her.

Close to how my Lavellan's see it. Though they have been brought up to be very strict with magic and have had it drummed into them just how dangerous magic can be if unchecked and my mage Lavellans even more so, so they don't like the idea of mages roaming freely without oversight.

[CuriousArtemis]

Random thought out of left field: Jon Batiste has the perfect physique for a male elf.

(P.s. I may be drinking whiskey while watching the Late Show.)

[rpgfan321]

When I played it with my Lavellan the first time, I didn't have other RP reasons other than a curiosity of how BW was going to present the Templars this time around (they haven't played around with this faction other than being an oppressive organization, har har...)

 

Still iffy of how we couldn't recruit both factions. It would have been interesting.

 

(I guess after I made the choices I could justify it as showing some compassion and acceptance toward moderate Templars who was in the same boat as Cullen; that it was eventually Cullen who made my Lavellan changed her focus.)

[Rascoth]

This is why I replay my character again. Plus its an opportunity to get her just right and to romance Cullen all over again.

Yeah, I'm planning to replay two of my Quizzies one day. They're too awesome to just leave them alone 

But for now - my Solasmancer and Templar lady that's waiting to fall head over ears in love with certain Commander   

 

Still iffy of how we couldn't recruit both factions. It would have been interesting.

Agreed. The more I play the more I wish we could recruit both. I don't even need full factions. I would be happy if we could, for example, recruit Templars and get those mages that were clearly against Fiona's decision. Or go after mages, but still be able to contact some Templars to join us (those would be most likely the ones outside Therinfal Redoubt). I know some Templars can join us thru war table mission, but it's not the same.

I would also love to be able to pick Templars and have Samson as my enemy or the other way around. But that's mostly because of rp reasons.

[riverbanks]

I would be happy if we could, for example, recruit Templars and get those mages that were clearly against Fiona's decision. Or go after mages, but still be able to contact some Templars to join us (those would be most likely the ones outside Therinfal Redoubt). I know some Templars can join us thru war table mission, but it's not the same.

 

You can kinda sorta pretend around this through the war table missions where you get to shelter mages or Templars who didn't join the rebellion once you get to Skyhold, but like you said, it's not the same. It's a one-off mention and you never hear from them again other than through those war table missions that don't change wording regardless of your recruited faction.

 

One thing I did think to do on my Knight-Enchanter who conscripted the mages was to built the Templar tower at Skyhold, instead of the mage one, because I wanted to actually see those Templars I was supposedly sheltering - it doesn't have any gameplay effect, but it helped with visual immersion a little bit. (the opposite isn't necessary if you recruit the Templars, I find: you still always end up with plenty of mages walking around Skyhold to keep the visual balance)

 

I would also love to be able to pick Templars and have Samson as my enemy or the other way around. But that's mostly because of rp reasons.

 

I will forever lament that the Samson and Calpernia missions are mutually exclusive at all. Both are serious issues the Inquisition should have dealt with either way. How does disarticulating the Red Templars stop being important because you saved some Templars? How does stopping the Venatori from infiltrating Southern Thedas stop being important because you saved some mages? It's weird how you just shrug off this incredibly serious issue on either side and just kind of... leave it to sort itself out. 

 

Plus the fact that through BTD you don't get any of the information on Corypheus you find through UHS makes the endgame feel so... empty. I'm struggling with finishing a mage-siding playthrough right now because I can't shake off the feeling that Corypheus is still just an abstract threat to my Inquisitor. You know nothing about him without the Calpernia quest, you don't understand him or what he's doing at all other than being a generic bad guy, so it feels like my motivation to fight him is just Morrigan telling me we should.

 

Like, I get what they were trying to do by branching these quests in terms of replayability, but I still can't help feeling the story feels incomplete, whichever way you go, without your Inquisitor going through both.

[Rascoth]

You can kinda sorta pretend around this through the war table missions where you get to shelter mages or Templars who didn't join the rebellion once you get to Skyhold, but like you said, it's not the same. It's a one-off mention and you never hear from them again other than through those war table missions that don't change wording regardless of your recruited faction.

 

One thing I did think to do on my Knight-Enchanter who conscripted the mages was to built the Templar tower at Skyhold, instead of the mage one, because I wanted to actually see those Templars I was supposedly sheltering - it doesn't have any gameplay effect, but it helped with visual immersion a little bit. (the opposite isn't necessary if you recruit the Templars, I find: you still always end up with plenty of mages walking around Skyhold to keep the visual balance)

Yeah, I headcanon every time that at least small part of not chosen group joins you. It makes picking sides somehow easier. I would feel really guilty for picking one sided over other if I didn't do that. Especially since I know that among both Templars and mages there are good and reasonable.

 

I will forever lament that the Samson and Calpernia missions are mutually exclusive at all. Both are serious issues the Inquisition should have dealt with either way. How does disarticulating the Red Templars stop being important because you saved some Templars? How does stopping the Venatori from infiltrating Southern Thedas stop being important because you saved some mages? It's weird how you just shrug off this incredibly serious issue on either side and just kind of... leave it to sort itself out. 

 

Plus the fact that through BTD you don't get any of the information on Corypheus you find through UHS makes the endgame feel so... empty. I'm struggling with finishing a mage-siding playthrough right now because I can't shake off the feeling that Corypheus is still just an abstract threat to my Inquisitor. You know nothing about him without the Calpernia quest, you don't understand him or what he's doing at all other than being a generic bad guy, so it feels like my motivation to fight him is just Morrigan telling me we should.

 

Like, I get what they were trying to do by branching these quests in terms of replayability, but I still can't help feeling the story feels incomplete, whichever way you go, without your Inquisitor going through both.

Especially since we see plenty of Red Templars and Venatori, regardless which side we choose.

 

It's like choosing between learning motivation of both groups following Corypheus or Corypheus himself. It really takes away from your gaming experience and narrows perspective of your character. I still remember my first time I took mages side. What I learned about Red Templars motivation really surprised me. Suddenly they weren't just tools or victims of higher-ups scheme (at least not all of them). On the other hand we have UHS, which - just like you said - helps us understand (or at least learn about) Corypheus motivation. Most of the time my mage/Templars choice is 'which companion quest I want' and UHS lost only 2 times in all my (many) pts. Then I look for rp justification for siding with Templars.

 

Besides, both Calpernia and Samson are amazing characters (with Samson being one of my favourite not Inner Circle charaters). Not letting players to meet both of them seems like a waste, especially since I know there are players that'll never choose one group over the other. 

[neonmoth]

Soo, being off-topic here but I have decided to get back to DAI again and do the full run, since I miss the first half of the game (after going through the dlcs with all my pcs). Anyway, I thought about modding my game again. I managed to figure out all the jazz with every single dlc but recently I have found out that some base game quests can be an issue (e.g. In your heart shall burn). Are there many of such instances (that any of you are aware of)? 

 

And to keep it on topic, one of my absolute favourites [linky]

 

[CuriousArtemis]

Soo, being off-topic here but I have decided to get back to DAI again and do the full run, since I miss the first half of the game (after going through the dlcs with all my pcs). Anyway, I thought about modding my game again. I managed to figure out all the jazz with every single dlc but recently I have found out that some base game quests can be an issue (e.g. In your heart shall burn). Are there many of such instances (that any of you are aware of)? 

 

 

Hmm can you be more specific? I've never had any problem with mods and the base game.

[neonmoth]

Hmm can you be more specific? I've never had any problem with mods and the base game.

 

Me neither when I was modding in the past but I have always used such a basic set that maybe I was just lucky. There is definitely an issue with In your heart shall burn sequence and some of the cosmetic mods. It just goes to blank screen after conversation with Solas. I managed to get the scene to load with few basic ones but was wondering if there are some other instances like that. 

[riverbanks]

Me neither when I was modding in the past but I have always used such a basic set that maybe I was just lucky. There is definitely an issue with In your heart shall burn sequence and some of the cosmetic mods. It just goes to blank screen after conversation with Solas. I managed to get the scene to load with few basic ones but was wondering if there are some other instances like that. 

 

I've never heard of mods conflicting with IYHSB either, but I know that some cutscenes that move the Inquisitor actor between maps (such as moving from Haven to Skyhold, or from the Temple of Mythal back into Skyhold during Pride, when you escape through the mirror) can freeze and crash the game due to anti-aliasing issues with loading too fast too many rich textures and meshes (which you need on Ultra to see hair mods). Try turning your Multisample Antialiasing all the way off, and your Post-Process Antialiasing down to Medium (under Graphics) and see if that gets you through the scene?

[SgtSteel91]

When you side with the Mages, Vivienne suggests some of the rank and file be trained as Templars as a precaution against, what she believes are, inevitable outbreaks of abominations. If you agree with her, she says she'll talk to Cullen about it. Do you think Cullen would agree to that, considering the 'Endur' War Table quest where he's apprehensive about having Ser train more Templars because they're subjecting them to Lyrium addiction?

[Rascoth]

Me neither when I was modding in the past but I have always used such a basic set that maybe I was just lucky. There is definitely an issue with In your heart shall burn sequence and some of the cosmetic mods. It just goes to blank screen after conversation with Solas. I managed to get the scene to load with few basic ones but was wondering if there are some other instances like that. 

The only thing I know of with IYHSB is 'night' glitch that can happen, but only if you use DAI Cinematic Tools (so not really mods related). As for mods, I never encountered problems when I was using them, but just as you, I used only a few, 'basic' mods.

[neonmoth]

I've never heard of mods conflicting with IYHSB either, but I know that some cutscenes that move the Inquisitor actor between maps (such as moving from Haven to Skyhold, or from the Temple of Mythal back into Skyhold during Pride, when you escape through the mirror) can freeze and crash the game due to anti-aliasing issues with loading too fast too many rich textures and meshes (which you need on Ultra to see hair mods). Try turning your Multisample Antialiasing all the way off, and your Post-Process Antialiasing down to Medium (under Graphics) and see if that gets you through the scene?

Thanks riverbanks! I managed to fiddle with the scene and it runs okay now. No idea what was causing the freeze, since hair, brows, eyes etc work and non cosmetic mods worked okay from the start. It's possible it was the custom skin I never used anyway so no loss. I know it's hard to predict those kind of things, especially when trying new mods but with major/well known issues, I like to tackle them earlier to avoid too much hassle mid pt, especially with long and important scenes like IYHSB.

 

Edit: Last time I was rummaging through daimodder tumblr I accidentally hit random and got reblogg of your Ari. What are the chances?!  

She's super cute   
 

The only thing I know of with IYHSB is 'night' glitch that can happen, but only if you use DAI Cinematic Tools (so not really mods related). As for mods, I never encountered problems when I was using them, but just as you, I used only a few, 'basic' mods.

Indeed, last time I played with mods I went through the game with no issues whatsoever hence my surprise this time round ;] I guess I should also stick to things that are well tested in order to avoid headache.

[CuriousArtemis]

Indeed, last time I played with mods I went through the game with no issues whatsoever hence my surprise this time round ;] I guess I should also stick to things that are well tested in order to avoid headache.

 

Nah you can usually figure out the problem by talking to people like this. It took me a while to figure out I had to remove Dorian's mohawk and Blackwall's nice trim beard and cleaner skin in order for me to access my menus in Trespasser, sob  

 

When you side with the Mages, Vivienne suggests some of the rank and file be trained as Templars as a precaution against, what she believes are, inevitable outbreaks of abominations. If you agree with her, she says she'll talk to Cullen about it. Do you think Cullen would agree to that, considering the 'Endur' War Table quest where he's apprehensive about having Ser train more Templars because they're subjecting them to Lyrium addiction?

 

Wow, good question. Yeah actually I think he'd refuse. Or he could be talked into it so long as recruits volunteered. He is a principled man, but I find he can be easily manipulated by authority figures (such as Meredith or the Inquisitor). He's a good man, he just respects authority too much.

[riverbanks]

Edit: Last time I was rummaging through daimodder tumblr I accidentally hit random and got reblogg of your Ari. What are the chances?!
She's super cute 

 
Heee, that's cute! What are the odds indeed.
 
It's funny looking back on that post now because shortly after I made it, I ended up removing all the mods I was using on Ari and reverting her face and hair back to vanilla. Ariana was my first Inky, I spent hundreds of hours with her vanilla face on my canon playthroughs and that's who her character became, you know? In the end, I was feeling like the more I fiddled with her, the less she looked like herself - she may have looked "prettier" with mods, but she wasn't my Ari anymore. (also she was never even meant to be beautiful, that was a big part of Ari's character concept -that she's nothing special, just your average-looking horse-faced Marcher- so her modded version being all glamoured up magazine-cover gorgeous was bugging me because of that too )
 
My other IQs I show no mercy to when it comes to mods, though. They're modded up to hell and back, and I keep giving them makeovers and new haircuts and new eyebrows, etc. It's just Ari that I don't like touching up - she feels "right" enough in all her boring vanilla glory.

[CuriousArtemis]

My other IQs I show no mercy to when it comes to mods, though. They're modded up to hell and back, and I keep giving them makeovers and new haircuts and new eyebrows, etc. It's just Ari that I don't like touching up - she feels "right" enough in all her boring vanilla glory.

 

I know how you feel! Once BE came out I downloaded lots of mods and tried messing with Alin's hair, eye color/texture, skin, etc. because I always felt he wasn't handsome or cute enough... but it just didn't seem right. Plus it is kind of cute to think how the love interest could fall for your "not perfect" inquisitor; shows that they love the whole person, not just the knock out good looks (not that Ari isn't lovely!)