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[riverbanks]

Wow, good question. Yeah actually I think he'd refuse. Or he could be talked into it so long as recruits volunteered. He is a principled man, but I find he can be easily manipulated by authority figures (such as Meredith or the Inquisitor). He's a good man, he just respects authority too much.

 

I don't think Cullen would agree to it, but I don't think he would outright refuse either. As you say, he can be easily manipulated by authority figures, and that includes the Inquisitor - there are a number of war table missions where he clearly doesn't want to do something you're telling him to because it either goes against his principles (like training more Templars under Ser) or moral code (like parading Florianne's head on a spike), but if ordered by the Inquisitor, he still does it. He clearly hates doing it, as his reports are very grouchy in these cases, but... still did it.

 

I think in this case, he would disagree with Vivienne and argue against it with the Inquisitor, but if you pressed the issue he would surrender the point and let the Inquisitor do it, even against his will.

[Rascoth]

It's funny looking back on that post now because shortly after I made it, I ended up removing all the mods I was using on Ari and reverting her face and hair back to vanilla. Ariana was my first Inky, I spent hundreds of hours with her vanilla face on my canon playthroughs and that's who her character became, you know? In the end, I was feeling like the more I fiddled with her, the less she looked like herself - she may have looked "prettier" with mods, but she wasn't my Ari anymore. (also she was never even meant to be beautiful, that was a big part of Ari's character concept -that she's nothing special, just your average-looking horse-faced Marcher- so her modded version being all glamoured up magazine-cover gorgeous was bugging me because of that too )

My canon Inquisitor is a reason I started modding in the first place. I saw hairstyle that would suit her perfectly and before I knew it, I downloaded mod manager and got it into my game. It turned out to be a great way to show progress of time and changes in her.

Spoiler

She went from this: To this: Then this: And finally this:

I dropped modding before patch 10 came out, but there's high possibility I'll do it again if I ever decide to replay her.

 

When you side with the Mages, Vivienne suggests some of the rank and file be trained as Templars as a precaution against, what she believes are, inevitable outbreaks of abominations. If you agree with her, she says she'll talk to Cullen about it. Do you think Cullen would agree to that, considering the 'Endur' War Table quest where he's apprehensive about having Ser train more Templars because they're subjecting them to Lyrium addiction?

I agree with what CuriousArtemis and riverbanks said. He may not be 'fond' of this idea (to put it lightly), but with enough persuasion, he would agree to do it (though I doubt he would be happy about it).

[riverbanks]

I know how you feel! Once BE came out I downloaded lots of mods and tried messing with Alin's hair, eye color/texture, skin, etc. because I always felt he wasn't handsome or cute enough... but it just didn't seem right. Plus it is kind of cute to think how the love interest could fall for your "not perfect" inquisitor; shows that they love the whole person, not just the knock out good looks (not that Ari isn't lovely!)

 

Yes, that's exactly it! The long version is, Amell was one of very last Wardens I played; by that time I had a fully modded game so she came out super pretty compared to my first and canon Warden. Then my canon Hawke was also one the last Hawkes I played (trying to find a PT I liked enough to make canon), again lots of mods by that time so canon Hawke also turned out super pretty. So when I was coming up with the concept of Ariana, I thought, so Cullen's been consistently crushing on these extraordinarily beautiful women in my world, how cute would it be if the one he finally falls in love and gets his happy ending with is just... okay? Just an average person, who's not half as pretty as his previous crushes and doesn't match his taste for black-haired/blue-eyed Fereldans at all, but who he falls in love with because she turns out to be everything else he wanted in a partner - a good friend, who supports and respects him, who he can as easily discuss Templar politics with for hours as he can share a bottle of wine and crack dumb jokes about Bull's pillowy manbosoms with into the night, etc. 

 

That was the concept behind not making Ari too remarkable, and why making her beautiful with mods now feels wrong - as opposed to, say, my Adaar, who I concepted as this absolutely breath-taking woman for other roleplaying reasons, and was never really satisfied with until a lot of mods came out that let me have the features I had in mind for her. The mods themselves weren't the problem, my mental roadblocks around the way I concepted my Inquisitor were. I'm too in love with the concept of Ari looking just eeeh okay, but Cullen loving her immensely, with no thought for that. I wonder at the kind of nasty venom those Orlesian nobles with "plans" for Cullen were spewing once they found out the gorgeous Commander they were all after ended up marrying that quaint horse-faced Marcher after all.

 

(for what it's worth it, I haven't seen modded Alin, but I always found him cute as a button in his vanilla version! )

[Arlee]

I don't think Cullen would agree to it, but I don't think he would outright refuse either. As you say, he can be easily manipulated by authority figures, and that includes the Inquisitor - there are a number of war table missions where he clearly doesn't want to do something you're telling him to because it either goes against his principles (like training more Templars under Ser) or moral code (like parading Florianne's head on a spike), but if ordered by the Inquisitor, he still does it. He clearly hates doing it, as his reports are very grouchy in these cases, but... still did it.

 

It's not manipulation really it's more his military mindset. He'll do it despite having reservations and expressing them because you're the one in charge and refusing would gronk up the chain of command.

[riverbanks]

My canon Inquisitor is a reason I started modding in the first place. I saw hairstyle that would suit her perfectly and before I knew it, I downloaded mod manager and got it into my game. It turned out to be a great way to show progress of time and changes in her.

Spoiler

She went from this:

 

To this: Then this:

I dropped modding before patch 10 came out, but there's high possibility I'll do it again if I ever decide to replay her.

 

Oh I absolutely love her with that second haircut!

 

I know what you mean about seeing that one hairstyle that fits the idea you had in mind - originally Ari was supposed to wear a side braid, so when this mod came out I just about died. It was perfect! It was THE hair I'd been waiting for all along!!! But... turns out at that point it was too late, I'd grown too used to that vanilla side part haircut on her. The braid lasted about two days, and then it was gone.

 

Every other IQ that's not Ari got a modded hairstyle, though. High buns, long flowy locks, braids, ponytails, curls, mohawks, the whole nine yards. I keep the modded hairs on my patch all the time anyway, because I also like seeing them on NPCs. Seeing Fiona with long hair, for instance (as I'd always pictured her), is pretty neat.

 

[rpgfan321]

It's not manipulation really it's more his military mindset. He'll do it despite having reservations and expressing them because you're the one in charge and refusing would gronk up the chain of command.

I agree. Cullen is very much the military type even though he's now ex-Templar. He was in it for more than a decade after all. Chain of command is something he sees very seriously due to this background.

[riverbanks]

It's not manipulation really it's more his military mindset. He'll do it despite having reservations and expressing them because you're the one in charge and refusing would gronk up the chain of command.

 

I do agree that his military mind plays largely at it (that was always my answer to those "but why doesn't he challenge Meredith??" arguments - uhm, he's military and she's his commanding officer, it doesn't work like that), but I also see a degree of manipulation to it, depending on the argument or the method. Cullen himself admits that Meredith manipulated him with some level of gaslighting, and some of those war table missions when he really really doesn't wanna do something and then sounds just as disgusted after doing it as you'd expect just... rub me the wrong way (the one with Florianne's head in particular really makes me uncomfortable, I don't know).

 

There's also that line he says in the Champions quest, about it being "his turn" to question and "letting you" turn the Inquisition astray... it sounds like he let you get away with a lot, watching others have their "turn" and not stopping you, not questioning what "you" were doing, and he regrets that on a more personal level than just following orders (as much as he does with Meredith). It feels as more than just subservience, you know? Feels more like he was again easily manipulated by an authority figure preying on his disciplined nature of obeying higher commands. So there's military mind at work, sure, but there's also some emotional manipulation involved, depending on how you read it.

[Tielis]

Soo, being off-topic here but I have decided to get back to DAI again and do the full run, since I miss the first half of the game (after going through the dlcs with all my pcs). Anyway, I thought about modding my game again. I managed to figure out all the jazz with every single dlc but recently I have found out that some base game quests can be an issue (e.g. In your heart shall burn). Are there many of such instances (that any of you are aware of)? 

 

And to keep it on topic, one of my absolute favourites [linky]

 

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Hehe, she's holding his sword.  (Don't mind me.)

 

As far as I know, the mods that have problems are mainly complexions, but those are for DLC.  There are a few sections on this site that go into details.  http://daimodder.tumblr.com/

 

Personally, I haven't had any issues, but I only use hair, pyjama, and crafting mods.

[Tishina]

I know how you feel! Once BE came out I downloaded lots of mods and tried messing with Alin's hair, eye color/texture, skin, etc. because I always felt he wasn't handsome or cute enough... but it just didn't seem right. Plus it is kind of cute to think how the love interest could fall for your "not perfect" inquisitor; shows that they love the whole person, not just the knock out good looks (not that Ari isn't lovely!)

I actually prefer my protags to be "not perfect" for that reason. Attractive, sure, but not extraordinary and usually a bit offbeat in some way. A strikingly gorgeous protag would make me uncomfortable unless she or he romanced no one because there isn't enough romance content for it not to feel as if the LI probably isn't solely attracted by that. That may be nice in the first flush of interest, but it isn't anything to build something long-term on. But that's just me.

[rpgfan321]

I mean CC in Inquisition wasn't the CC, but I thought there were enough tools to make more nuanced, unique faces (except for hair....). I really liked fiddling around with CC. Compared to other DA games, it was pretty comprehensive.

 

@Tishina

I agree with you. I also find it fun when I can make a unique face, something that just sticks.

[neonmoth]

 
Heee, that's cute! What are the odds indeed.
 
It's funny looking back on that post now because shortly after I made it, I ended up removing all the mods I was using on Ari and reverting her face and hair back to vanilla. Ariana was my first Inky, I spent hundreds of hours with her vanilla face on my canon playthroughs and that's who her character became, you know? In the end, I was feeling like the more I fiddled with her, the less she looked like herself - she may have looked "prettier" with mods, but she wasn't my Ari anymore. (also she was never even meant to be beautiful, that was a big part of Ari's character concept -that she's nothing special, just your average-looking horse-faced Marcher- so her modded version being all glamoured up magazine-cover gorgeous was bugging me because of that too )

Heh, she's still super cute and waaay better looking than my Trev. I set myself once to fix her, since I have created her to get asap into the game, still I could not do it and only changed her brows. I guess Cullen is just all about personality 

 

Nah you can usually figure out the problem by talking to people like this. It took me a while to figure out I had to remove Dorian's mohawk and Blackwall's nice trim beard and cleaner skin in order for me to access my menus in Trespasser, sob

Yeah, I thought that simply asking here could save me lots of headache. Though I must say to some extent modding dai with all its limitations is much less painful than some games I prettified in the past. 

 

My canon Inquisitor is a reason I started modding in the first place. I saw hairstyle that would suit her perfectly and before I knew it, I downloaded mod manager and got it into my game. It turned out to be a great way to show progress of time and changes in her.

Spoiler

She went from this: To this: Then this: And finally this:

I dropped modding before patch 10 came out, but there's high possibility I'll do it again if I ever decide to replay her.

 

I love that she grows her hair with passing time! I am still amazed that simple cosmetic/lighting mods can change so much. 

 

Spoiler

 

 

I might have unhealthy obsession with freckles... all my pcs save for QunQuizzy have them... 

 

I actually prefer my protags to be "not perfect" for that reason. Attractive, sure, but not extraordinary and usually a bit offbeat in some way. A strikingly gorgeous protag would make me uncomfortable unless she or he romanced no one because there isn't enough romance content for it not to feel as if the LI probably isn't solely attracted by that. That may be nice in the first flush of interest, but it isn't anything to build something long-term on. But that's just me.

I usually can't control myself and give my pcs some very distinct features. It's hard to make a conventionally pretty character if you love large/beak noses, long faces, small/deep eyes, low/bushy eyebrows etc. I actually like an average Joe/plain Jane to accidentally become a hero due to circumstances. Whether they grow to the role is down to rping. 

[Monica21]

Yes, that's exactly it! The long version is, Amell was one of very last Wardens I played; by that time I had a fully modded game so she came out super pretty compared to my first and canon Warden. Then my canon Hawke was also one the last Hawkes I played (trying to find a PT I liked enough to make canon), again lots of mods by that time so canon Hawke also turned out super pretty. So when I was coming up with the concept of Ariana, I thought, so Cullen's been consistently crushing on these extraordinarily beautiful women in my world, how cute would it be if the one he finally falls in love and gets his happy ending with is just... okay? Just an average person, who's not half as pretty as his previous crushes and doesn't match his taste for black-haired/blue-eyed Fereldans at all, but who he falls in love with because she turns out to be everything else he wanted in a partner - a good friend, who supports and respects him, who he can as easily discuss Templar politics with for hours as he can share a bottle of wine and crack dumb jokes about Bull's pillowy manbosoms with into the night, etc.

 

Oh, phooey. Ari is very pretty, but that might be because I flatter myself in thinking that your Trev and mine look remarkably similar, aside from the scar.

[CuriousArtemis]

(for what it's worth it, I haven't seen modded Alin, but I always found him cute as a button in his vanilla version! )

 

 

Oh my gawd well that about made my whole day, nay week! xDDD 

 

I actually prefer my protags to be "not perfect" for that reason. Attractive, sure, but not extraordinary and usually a bit offbeat in some way. A strikingly gorgeous protag would make me uncomfortable unless she or he romanced no one because there isn't enough romance content for it not to feel as if the LI probably isn't solely attracted by that. That may be nice in the first flush of interest, but it isn't anything to build something long-term on. But that's just me.

 

Definitely! Though usually I have to take that line of thought AFTER I've been through the CC and it's too late to change anything, so I just tell myself, that massive nose Shepard's sporting is just his special quirk! It makes him unique!

 

I do think it could be cool to create a really beautiful character who knows how beautiful he/she is and thus is kind of arrogant and sassy about it (uses the humorous/snarky dialogue choices), then you can kind of headcanon that the love interest rolls their eyes at them initially but ends up falling for them anyway b/c despite the arrogance there is some hidden vulnerability there and they reveal themselves to actually be a good person.

[Rascoth]

Oh I absolutely love her with that second haircut!

 

I know what you mean about seeing that one hairstyle that fits the idea you had in mind - originally Ari was supposed to wear a side braid, so when this mod came out I just about died. It was perfect! It was THE hair I'd been waiting for all along!!! But... turns out at that point it was too late, I'd grown too used to that vanilla side part haircut on her. The braid lasted about two days, and then it was gone.

 

Every other IQ that's not Ari got a modded hairstyle, though. High buns, long flowy locks, braids, ponytails, curls, mohawks, the whole nine yards. I keep the modded hairs on my patch all the time anyway, because I also like seeing them on NPCs. Seeing Fiona with long hair, for instance (as I'd always pictured her), is pretty neat.

That's the hairstyle that got me into modding  And thanks!

Spoiler

Connie is definitely happy to hear you like her hairstyle   

 

Ah, this mod. When I saw it I thought it would be perfect for my Knigh-Enchanter, she was supposed to have hair like that... but it was long after I finished main game and JoH with her and was waiting for new DLCs to drop... and I couldn't get used to new hairstyle. So I know what you mean.

 

I did that in one of my games! "Oh, this will fit female elves, this goes for dwarves, that would fit that noble I see, so I'll install it for her". It took time to get used to it, but it was nice to see different hairstyles on different races.

 

Beautiful Quizzy btw 

 

I mean CC in Inquisition wasn't the CC, but I thought there were enough tools to make more nuanced, unique faces (except for hair....). I really liked fiddling around with CC. Compared to other DA games, it was pretty comprehensive.

Comparing to previous games it was definitely imrovement. I missed a few options that would make shaping your character's face easier, but I don't complain. I like DAI's CC.

 

I love that she grows her hair with passing time! I am still amazed that simple cosmetic/lighting mods can change so much. 

 

Spoiler

I might have unhealthy obsession with freckles... all my pcs save for QunQuizzy have them... 

That was my main reason behind changing her hairstyle (totally not because I saw nice mods).

Freckles... most of my PCs have them as well, more or less, but still   

 

There's also that line he says in the Champions quest, about it being "his turn" to question and "letting you" turn the Inquisition astray... 

I always stop and listen to what everyone has to say. Especially Cullen and Josie. Because it just shows how bad it could be.

[riverbanks]

Oh, phooey. Ari is very pretty, but that might be because I flatter myself in thinking that your Trev and mine look remarkably similar, aside from the scar.

 

Well, that just means Cullen has excellent taste.

[R2s Muse]

I do agree that his military mind plays largely at it (that was always my answer to those "but why doesn't he challenge Meredith??" arguments - uhm, he's military and she's his commanding officer, it doesn't work like that), but I also see a degree of manipulation to it, depending on the argument or the method. Cullen himself admits that Meredith manipulated him with some level of gaslighting, and some of those war table missions when he really really doesn't wanna do something and then sounds just as disgusted after doing it as you'd expect just... rub me the wrong way (the one with Florianne's head in particular really makes me uncomfortable, I don't know).

There's also that line he says in the Champions quest, about it being "his turn" to question and "letting you" turn the Inquisition astray... it sounds like he let you get away with a lot, watching others have their "turn" and not stopping you, not questioning what "you" were doing, and he regrets that on a more personal level than just following orders (as much as he does with Meredith). It feels as more than just subservience, you know? Feels more like he was again easily manipulated by an authority figure preying on his disciplined nature of obeying higher commands. So there's military mind at work, sure, but there's also some emotional manipulation involved, depending on how you read it.

I think you're probably right. I think there are also some differences in his relationship to the IQ and the Inquisition compared to Meredith, in that the way he was recruited and the role he was asked to play is also different. While I still think that he was once very much committed to the Templar Order's principles (and that that's why he ultimately overthrew Meredith), he was still primarily a cog in a much bigger wheel. With the Inquisition, in contrast, he was brought in at the top to help run it and shape what it would become. So although he still runs the Inquisition forces in a military style, I feel like his investment in it is a bit more personal as a result, because what it becomes is also partially his fault. So, that I could see him taking very personally the Inquisition's failures, like in those Champions of the Just scenes.

It then makes me wonder how he would go about challenging an Inquisitor who had gone off the rails. Would it be similar to Meredith and he'd ultimately have to overthrow you? Or, does the evil!Inquisitor still listen to Cullen enough that he'd feel he still had a chance to help redirect the organization? Or, would there be a point where he would ultimately even walking away? This is of course all further muddied if he happens to be in love with the Inquisitor. But even without that, it would be an interesting question.

I can't help but think that it would be even harder to see the Inquisition go down in flames since in this case, he would be partly responsible. Part of me thinks he might fight harder for it than he did for the Order, while part of me wonders if he'd just get... tired at some point, after two failed organizations, and finally walk way and start to just take care of himself instead of the rest of the world.

[Liadan]

Another beautiful artwork from Shalizeh 

 

[CuriousArtemis]

Gosh I really want to finally start my Cullemance playthrough. But I know it's just a baaad idea to do that in the middle of the semester, sigh.

 

/pout

[Vanalia]

Nice little comic page by TriaElf9

http://www.deviantar...-Trip-561433013

 

[CuriousArtemis]

Headcanon accepted!

[Vanalia]

Poor Cullen always brings me back crappy things, I guess he's not good at shopping  (Leliana is the best for the rare fabric/flowers/leather)

[riverbanks]

So I got a banter between Sera and Cole for the first time today, Cole was explaining a joke involving cow horns (I think?) to her and it ended with him saying "Cullen explained it better" - anyone else ever got this one? I wasn't fast enough to screencap it, and it's not on the wiki... I swear I didn't imagine this conversation, but I can't find a transcription.

 

Anyway, the thought of Cullen trying to explain a joke to Cole and Cole taking everything so literally is something between cute and hilarious.

[rpgfan321]

LOL, guise. I found this hilarious Cullen YT video. The lip sync is perfect.

 

[thats1evildude]

Pretty foxy elven Inquisitor. Rrrrow.

[Caja]

LOL. Thanks for the video. I like it when my mornings start with broad laughter .