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[R2s Muse]

And, finally, one of my fave things of all. Feylen's librarian AU Cullen.

 

 

http://feylen.tumblr...rarianau-cullen

[SamaraDraven]

And, finally, one of my fave things of all. Feylen's librarian AU Cullen.



http://feylen.tumblr...rarianau-cullen

Awwwww! Lookit that sweet face! I kind of dig modern Cullen AUs when they're done well.

[Rascoth]

*sneaks in*

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Spoiler

*leaves quietly*

[SamaraDraven]

I was looking for an old - very old, in terms of internet life - porny ficlet i did when I stumbled over this! From waaaaay back in Dragon Age II Cullen's heyday; I'd forgotten all about it! Since the holidays are coming, it seems fitting. Or I'm just feeling nostalgic. *shrug*

 

Cullen/Amell

Cullen's Jounral Entry

http://social.biowar...70/blog/224823/

 

And THEN I found a very old post in the first Cullen thread where - regarding Cullen's return - this was said...

 

 

You realise that if they do, he'll have a different voice actor, act differently, look different and he'll blow up the circle

 

Just... LOL! HAHAHAHA!

 

Gosh... this place is sooo quiet. When I was here last, I couldn't keep up! Now it's well.... it was busier between DAII and DAI and I wonder how we kept it going so well during the Dargon Age "drought". We had a magic back then, I think.

[R2s Muse]

 

Gosh... this place is sooo quiet. When I was here last, I couldn't keep up! Now it's well.... it was busier between DAII and DAI and I wonder how we kept it going so well during the Dargon Age "drought". We had a magic back then, I think.

A lot has changed.

[CuriousArtemis]

A lot has changed.

 

Ha, true But I remember back in the day I would have to be away for a day or two (this was when i was getting my degree) and when I'd return like a WHOLE PAGE had passed and I was like, how can I keep up with this community??? /snort

[Tishina]

Gosh... this place is sooo quiet. When I was here last, I couldn't keep up! Now it's well.... it was busier between DAII and DAI and I wonder how we kept it going so well during the Dargon Age "drought". We had a magic back then, I think.

 

Ha, true But I remember back in the day I would have to be away for a day or two (this was when i was getting my degree) and when I'd return like a WHOLE PAGE had passed and I was like, how can I keep up with this community??? /snort

I think a lot of us are still around, but we don't have much left to speculate about connected to Cullen at least. Especially if we don't want to spoil anything,

[SamaraDraven]

I think a lot of us are still around, but we don't have much left to speculate about connected to Cullen at least. Especially if we don't want to spoil anything,

I know I can't expect it to stay the same. I just thought with DAI out, the speculation and celebration would have spanned the years like it did before. *shrug* But I also know people change and life makes us busy. Hell, I've been gone for so long, most of the newbies came and left in my absence. Still, I miss this place. and all of you. *hugs*

And don't worry about spoilers! I'll be alright. I can usually catch them but if not, I'm not gonna be permanently traumatized, I promise.

[Asperath]

I think a lot of us are still around, but we don't have much left to speculate about connected to Cullen at least. Especially if we don't want to spoil anything,

 

Here's a question to speculate... (Under spoiler for Samara )

Spoiler

If your IQ marries/stays with Cullen at end of Trespasser and the IQ is the "chess-master"  or makes an appearance, or dual protagonist (maybe even the only protagonist - who knows?) of the next game, do you think Cullen will make an appearance and to what extent?

I guess it also depends if you kept the Inquisition going or disbanded.

 

For me, I disbanded to reduce leaks and spying. Cullen & my IQ married and I doubt they'll separate much, however, I think unfortunately his "story" is done so he'd only make a cameo/small appearance at best but will at least referred to.

 

I haven't finished Trespasser with Cullen's romance but I heard your LI is with you at the table at the end? I dunno if true, only PT I've 100% finished was Solamancer

 

And sorry if it's been asked but I was MIA for a month and would like to know what others thinks

[R2s Muse]

Here's a question to speculate... (Under spoiler for Samara )

Spoiler

If your IQ marries/stays with Cullen at end of Trespasser and the IQ is the "chess-master"  or makes an appearance, or dual protagonist (maybe even the only protagonist - who knows?) of the next game, do you think Cullen will make an appearance and to what extent?

I guess it also depends if you kept the Inquisition going or disbanded.

 

For me, I disbanded to reduce leaks and spying. Cullen & my IQ married and I doubt they'll separate much, however, I think unfortunately his "story" is done so he'd only make a cameo/small appearance at best but will at least referred to.

 

I haven't finished Trespasser with Cullen's romance but I heard your LI is with you at the table at the end? I dunno if true, only PT I've 100% finished was Solamancer

 

And sorry if it's been asked but I was MIA for a month and would like to know what others thinks

Yeah, it's the same for all (make that MOST! sob) LIs. 

 

spoiler

Spoiler

Cullen is with you at the table, and in all the (good) epilogue cards he's very much at your side, whether running the Inqu or lolling around at home "doing good works." So I'm sure you're right that he'll stay with the IQ. His story seems to be rather conventional that way. But will he show up in DA4? DG once said that Cullen is one of those constants for DA, like R2 & C3PO. Now, who knows if that has changed now that they increased his role, but given what they've done with Alistair, for example, I'd be surprised if he didn't at least have a cameo. 

 

As to what role the IQ will play in DA4, I'm honestly torn between heartbroken skepticism and hope. I'm still devastated about my Solavellan playthrough so I desperately hope that she'll show up in some manner to close out her story with Solas. I remain skeptical that she'll be playable, tho.

 

I just can't wrap my head around the notion that something Mike Laidlaw was so emphatic about in the run up to DA:I, that DA isn't about returning player characters, will be turned on its head. Of course, we've seen the return of past PCs in Hawke's minor role, but I don't know that I would call that a satisfactory solution for my Lavellan. It was DG who so gleefully told us that our past PCs belong to BW now... not PWeekes, so the approach could be different now. I guess time will tell. It makes it hard for me to look forward to DA4, tho. :/

 

Coming back to Cullen, if/when he returns, I'm sure it'll be similar to how they've treated Alistair. The fan service appreciation there is strong.

[R2s Muse]

I know I can't expect it to stay the same. I just thought with DAI out, the speculation and celebration would have spanned the years like it did before. *shrug* But I also know people change and life makes us busy. Hell, I've been gone for so long, most of the newbies came and left in my absence. Still, I miss this place. and all of you. *hugs*

And don't worry about spoilers! I'll be alright. I can usually catch them but if not, I'm not gonna be permanently traumatized, I promise.

Very few folks from the old thread are around any more, but the biggest change was moving to the main forums which has given us a shaky foundation amid greater mod scrutiny. Time will tell what happens as folks finish up Trespasser and wander back. Or not. Admittedly, there was a lot more about Cullen to speculate about before, both his role in DA2 and in the future. Now... the writers have expunged all controversy from his character, and his ending has been rather tidily wrapped up. 

[R2s Muse]

So, there's a lot of beautiful Cullen art out there, but this one... moved me. I dunno.  

 

UM SPOILERS!!

 

 

http://qissus.tumblr...commissioned-by

 

by qissus, who incidentally seems to be taking commissions

[Rascoth]

Here's a question to speculate... (Under spoiler for Samara )

Spoiler

If your IQ marries/stays with Cullen at end of Trespasser and the IQ is the "chess-master"  or makes an appearance, or dual protagonist (maybe even the only protagonist - who knows?) of the next game, do you think Cullen will make an appearance and to what extent?

I guess it also depends if you kept the Inquisition going or disbanded.

 

For me, I disbanded to reduce leaks and spying. Cullen & my IQ married and I doubt they'll separate much, however, I think unfortunately his "story" is done so he'd only make a cameo/small appearance at best but will at least referred to.

 

I haven't finished Trespasser with Cullen's romance but I heard your LI is with you at the table at the end? I dunno if true, only PT I've 100% finished was Solamancer

 

And sorry if it's been asked but I was MIA for a month and would like to know what others thinks

What R2 said   Plus a bit from me:

Spoilers coming.

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I disbanded as well. And except for one pt where I kept Inquisition just to see what'll happen, I'll always disband. I just feel like it's better solution.

 

I would like Inquisitor to appear in DA4, but who knows. What I know is that I don't want another Hawke-like appearance. I didn't mind that it was small cameo, but it always felt a bit off. "That's not Hawke I imported". Without set personality it would be even harder to get Inquisitor in similar way in DA4.

Though I'm kinda curious why they included spec tile in Keep. It keeps bothering me.

 

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I'm still devastated about my Solavellan playthrough so I desperately hope that she'll show up in some manner to close out her story with Solas.  

Me too, me too...

[R2s Muse]

What R2 said   Plus a bit from me:
Spoilers coming.

Spoiler

 
I would like Inquisitor to appear in DA4, but who knows. What I know is that I don't want another Hawke-like appearance. I didn't mind that it was small cameo, but it always felt a bit off. "That's not Hawke I imported". Without set personality it would be even harder to get Inquisitor in similar way in DA4.
Though I'm kinda curious why they included spec tile in Keep. It keeps bothering me.

Yeah, this exactly. DA:I Hawke was nothing like my Hawke. "blood mage this, blood mage that. Did I mention that there were blood mages in Kirkwall?? Lots of em. TONS! You know... speaking of killing people... I killed a lot of blood mages back in Kirkwall." Pfft.
 

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I think Hawke's appearance was also helped by the fact that she was far more of a set character in some ways than the PC in the other games, which makes it even harder to see our IQ potentially on autopilot.  Next thing you know...
 
da4!Solas: And so the Wolf fell in love with the lamb...
da4!Lavellan: What a stupid lamb . . . 
ME: 

 

 

Me too, me too...

Sad fistbump.

[Tishina]

Yeah, this exactly. DA:I Hawke was nothing like my Hawke. "blood mage this, blood mage that. Did I mention that there were blood mages in Kirkwall?? Lots of em. TONS! You know... speaking of killing people... I killed a lot of blood mages back in Kirkwall." Pfft.
 

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I think Hawke's appearance was also helped by the fact that she was far more of a set character in some ways than the PC in the other games, which makes it even harder to see our IQ potentially on autopilot.  Next thing you know...
 
da4!Solas: And so the Wolf fell in love with the lamb...
da4!Lavellan: What a stupid lamb . . . 
ME: 

 

 
Sad fistbump.

My feelings are very mixed about

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a returning IQ for DA4. If we can control the IQ, I'd love it, both for the Solavellan possibilities and for the chance to play a protagonist who has a physical limitation. But if they're controlling the IQ, no. Maybe as a shadowy figure in the background who has very few lines, but an IQ controlled by BW is guaranteed to behave in ways that simply are completely out of character for many, maybe most,  people's IQs.

 

As far as Cullen showing up... If the IQ is a playable character, possibly, though I would assume in a minor role. It's also possible, given the circumstances, that he could even be a non-romanceable companion no matter who the protag is (though I seriously doubt that.) But even if the IQ and Cullen are still together, that doesn't mean they might not be pursuing different investigations (no matter how much you see your IQ and Cullen attached at the hip, stopping Solas is rather urgent, lol.) Even if the IQ is playable in some form, I wouldn't expect more than a non-speaking appearance at her side or a few brief, snarky lines (probably depends on how available his VA is.)

 

One possibility did occur to me, though, since they're starting to apply the "choices have consequences" with a bit of a vengeance. What if the IQs who said they would stop Solas no matter what rather than trying to change his mind can only stop him by sacrificing themselves? While those who said they'd change his mind and had a high enough approval with him have a chance of simply convincing him otherwise. Talk about an US decided WAY in advance!

[riverbanks]

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One possibility did occur to me, though, since they're starting to apply the "choices have consequences" with a bit of a vengeance. What if the IQs who said they would stop Solas no matter what rather than trying to change his mind can only stop him by sacrificing themselves? While those who said they'd change his mind and had a high enough approval with him have a chance of simply convincing him otherwise. Talk about an US decided WAY in advance!

 

Sounds a bit too punitive to players who didn't befriend him, doesn't it? Like, you will like and get along with this character and agree with his point of view and do things he approves of, or you will DIE. That was already more or less the undertone of the Dark Ritual back then, but even if you'd rivalled Morrigan you could still make the choice of your survival or sacrifice with your own hands despite loving or hating her, rather than letting the tone of your relationship with her predetermine that for you.

 

I don't even speak for myself, I used the redeemer dialogue option in the end, but I think conditioning your character's survival to a friendship with the antagonist would be awful stiffling to player/roleplaying agency.

[SgtSteel91]

 

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One possibility did occur to me, though, since they're starting to apply the "choices have consequences" with a bit of a vengeance. What if the IQs who said they would stop Solas no matter what rather than trying to change his mind can only stop him by sacrificing themselves? While those who said they'd change his mind and had a high enough approval with him have a chance of simply convincing him otherwise. Talk about an US decided WAY in advance!

 

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I'm thinking if you try to redeem and 'succeed' him then he sacrifices himself to fix his mistake and save the world. You either kill yourself to destroy your enemy or lose a friend.

[riverbanks]

Here's a question to speculate... (Under spoiler for Samara )

Spoiler

If your IQ marries/stays with Cullen at end of Trespasser and the IQ is the "chess-master"  or makes an appearance, or dual protagonist (maybe even the only protagonist - who knows?) of the next game, do you think Cullen will make an appearance and to what extent?

I guess it also depends if you kept the Inquisition going or disbanded.

 

For me, I disbanded to reduce leaks and spying. Cullen & my IQ married and I doubt they'll separate much, however, I think unfortunately his "story" is done so he'd only make a cameo/small appearance at best but will at least referred to.

 

I haven't finished Trespasser with Cullen's romance but I heard your LI is with you at the table at the end? I dunno if true, only PT I've 100% finished was Solamancer

 

And sorry if it's been asked but I was MIA for a month and would like to know what others thinks

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I disbanded as well. And except for one pt where I kept Inquisition just to see what'll happen, I'll always disband. I just feel like it's better solution.

 

I would like Inquisitor to appear in DA4, but who knows. What I know is that I don't want another Hawke-like appearance. I didn't mind that it was small cameo, but it always felt a bit off. "That's not Hawke I imported". Without set personality it would be even harder to get Inquisitor in similar way in DA4.

Though I'm kinda curious why they included spec tile in Keep. It keeps bothering me.

 

I personally really don't want the Inquisitor to come back as the protagonist. Their story is done, they got as much closure as you can get with a whole DLC dedicated to ending their story so it doesn't linger on forever, as Laidlaw put it... the one romance that didn't get resolution is only one open thread of a thousand closed others, like Morrigan's and Anders' unfinished romances were before in the previous games, and that can't be helped given the nature of these characters (and the non-canon nature of all romances); but in general terms, the Inquisitor's arc feels wrapped up.

 

I wouldn't mind the Inquisitor showing as an NPC like Hawke, though. I guess I'm lucky that the Hawke they presented fit my Hawke's personality so well, because I thought her cameo was perfect - my only gripe with it is that Hawke was only really brought back so we could get rid of them, because BW seems to resent DA2 that much. If the Inquisitor came back as an NPC, I'd only wish that it wasn't in such a blatantly "kill your former PC for us so we can all pretend they never existed" way. Would Cullen come back with her, though? Honestly... I don't think so. As much as I'd love to see Cullen again, always, any time, I don't dare put my hopes up. I think DAI romances will be resolved the same way DA2's were; you may ask the Inquisitor about their former companions, and she'll mention Cullen really wanted to come to Tevinter with her but couldn't because Reasons. (was too distracted rubbing the dog's belly maybe) If he does come back in the end, a la Alistair, though... well, I'll be over the moon, as long as I don't have to leave him in the Fade or something.

 

Anyway, with or without the Inquisitor's presence, I'm super excited about a new protagonist for DA4, there are so many possibilities for all the things you could be in Tevinter.... noble, slave, rebel, so many ways it can go. Hopefully they'll keep the race selection since it got such a good response and then the possibilities are endless. I can't wait to see what kind of hero we get to play next.

[R2s Muse]

Sounds a bit too punitive to players who didn't befriend him, doesn't it? Like, you will like and get along with this character and agree with his point of view and do things he approves of, or you will DIE. That was already more or less the undertone of the Dark Ritual back then, but even if you'd rivalled Morrigan you could still make the choice of your survival or sacrifice with your own hands despite loving or hating her, rather than letting the tone of your relationship with her predetermine that for you.
 
I don't even speak for myself, I used the redeemer dialogue option in the end, but I think conditioning your character's survival to a friendship with the antagonist would be awful stiffling to player/roleplaying agency.

Agree. I was just going to say the same thing. I don't think they'd do something that sounded like you were punishing the players that don't like him. Even given who the Head Writer is now.

TBH, I also question the "choices have consequences" implications.

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I still kinda feel like little that I did had any bearing on the ending of DA:I. Like one of the DA Confessions pointed out, I spent the whole game building armies and alliances, only to face Cory alone with three of my BFFs in a two-second fight. Even the BIG CHOICES at the end of Trespasser are so big in some sense that they'll be difficult for BW to implement properly. The disband/maintain Inquisition choice likely means that we basically won't see the Inquisition one way or the other. If our new PC is some agent of the Inquisitor's, with or without official organizational standing, we'll probably off on our own with a whole new cast anyway.

The only choice that may matter is whether or not you want to kill Solas, and even then, I bet you'll get to change your mind along the way in DA4.

:shrug: This doesn't really bother me too much, since it wasn't an issue for me, but I find it curious that BW keeps beating that drum and insisting that our choices have BIG consequences. Of course, I can easily be proven wrong in the next game, but they also said this about DA:I.

[R2s Muse]

I personally really don't want the Inquisitor to come back as the protagonist. Their story is done, they got as much closure as you can get with a whole DLC dedicated to ending their story so it doesn't linger on forever, as Laidlaw put it... the one romance that didn't get resolution is only one open thread of a thousand closed others, like Morrigan's and Anders' unfinished romances were before in the previous games, and that can't be helped given the nature of these characters (and the non-canon nature of all romances); but in general terms, the Inquisitor's arc feels wrapped up.

Agree, these are among the reasons I'm skeptical. BW has said time and again that they don't want loose ends hanging around and would rather just kill off your old characters (of course, that WAS DG, but still... ). The only reason I'd want my Lavellan to return is for Solas closure. And even then... I fear what they would do, or force me to do. But I still WANT IT, with the need of a million burning suns.

But for my other IQ? Meh. She got her happy ending. I'd rather she stay that way.

[wiccame]

How would a new protagonist fit? Considering the ending, it seemed pretty determined and personal.

I know up to now it's been said over and over they would never bring in a returning protagonist as current protagonist, but, how would/could they continue this story with as much investment without bringing the Inquisitor back. 

[Rascoth]

Yeah, this exactly. DA:I Hawke was nothing like my Hawke. "blood mage this, blood mage that. Did I mention that there were blood mages in Kirkwall?? Lots of em. TONS! You know... speaking of killing people... I killed a lot of blood mages back in Kirkwall." Pfft.

I can only imagine the confusion of people whose Hawke was Blood Mage. 

TBH it was weird even with my Hawke, since she was overprotective of Merrill.

 

I personally really don't want the Inquisitor to come back as the protagonist. Their story is done, they got as much closure as you can get with a whole DLC dedicated to ending their story so it doesn't linger on forever, as Laidlaw put it... the one romance that didn't get resolution is only one open thread of a thousand closed others, like Morrigan's and Anders' unfinished romances were before in the previous games, and that can't be helped given the nature of these characters (and the non-canon nature of all romances); but in general terms, the Inquisitor's arc feels wrapped up.

I must admit, my feelings after Trespasser are different than yours. While after base DAI and first two DLCs I felt happy with how Inquisitor's story was wrapped up, after Trespasser I had serious case of denial. "It can't end like that. Just.. can't, right?" And it wasn't even my Solasmancer.

Either way, no matter how I feel, I trust devs and I believe that whatever they come up with, it'll be the best for DA4. Even if it means I'll be grumpy for quite a while 

[neonmoth]

Same. I think I rather have a new protagonist in DA4, even though I also want some sort of closure to my Solavellan :/ I just hope that writers manage to achieve that somehow, I just can't think about it anymore since it gives me some major headache. Still, I just love that brand new protag feel every time I play DA game.

 

Thinking about it I wonder why devs left the ending to Trespasser so open with the stinger. Without it I would cry (I actually cried anyway so no biggie), would suffer depression and all sorts of ailments I tend to suffer when I finish Bio games anyway but I would move on. The way it is, I am simply puzzled. Unless I read too much to it and the stinger means

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that we generally move to Tevinter, Solas is a future antagonist and that there are different ways he can be dealt with.

::shrug::

 

As for Cullen, or all of the LIs for that matter, just can't see them reappearing, save for being mentioned in appropriate circumstances. The wait is killing me already, so yeah, I am pretty buzzed for the new instalment. Mostly for the setting and possible angles for the story.

[riverbanks]

Agree. I was just going to say the same thing. I don't think they'd do something that sounded like you were punishing the players that don't like him. Even given who the Head Writer is now.

TBH, I also question the "choices have consequences" implications.

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I still kinda feel like little that I did had any bearing on the ending of DA:I. Like one of the DA Confessions pointed out, I spent the whole game building armies and alliances, only to face Cory alone with three of my BFFs in a two-second fight. Even the BIG CHOICES at the end of Trespasser are so big in some sense that they'll be difficult for BW to implement properly. The disband/maintain Inquisition choice likely means that we basically won't see the Inquisition one way or the other. If our new PC is some agent of the Inquisitor's, with or without official organizational standing, we'll probably off on our own with a whole new cast anyway.

The only choice that may matter is whether or not you want to kill Solas, and even then, I bet you'll get to change your mind along the way in DA4.

:shrug: This doesn't really bother me too much, since it wasn't an issue for me, but I find it curious that BW keeps beating that drum and insisting that our choices have BIG consequences. Of course, I can easily be proven wrong in the next game, but they also said this about DA:I.

 

Yeah, I feel like... choices do have consequences, and it would be unfair to say nothing we do makes any difference, but- they are either immediate consequences (choosing to kill or not kill Anders decides whether Sebastian stays with or leaves Hawke, choosing to recruit the mages or Templars in DAI decimates the other group and changes your nemesis figure), or far-reaching rippling consequences that you had no way of foretelling (like a set of three choices you made in DAO decides whether you get Loghain, Alistair or Stroud later on), or consequences that seem major when you're making them but ultimately either fizzle out (like Kieran) or get levelled out by the word of canon so all world states have more or less the same status quo (like Leliana dissolving the Circles or Vivienne reinstating them makes no difference in the end because eventually the College takes over anyway and the mage debate shifts from mages versus Templars to mages versus mages).

 

I'm ok with that notion of choices affecting the game without breaking it, in the end, because I think a series that can move forward even at the cost of some streamlining is more interesting to us as players than a series that dies on its back because it has become so splintered that it can't move on without becoming three-four different games altogether. It's more that we have to adjust the idea that "choices have consequences" doesn't mean choices will give you two different games, but they will give you enough flavor to feel like it's worth replaying at least a few times to see every side of each story.

[neonmoth]

I can only imagine the confusion of people whose Hawke was Blood Mage. 

TBH it was weird even with my Hawke, since she was overprotective of Merrill.

 

I must admit, my feelings after Trespasser are different than yours. While after base DAI and first two DLCs I felt happy with how Inquisitor's story was wrapped up, after Trespasser I had serious case of denial. "It can't end like that. Just.. can't, right?" And it wasn't even my Solasmancer.

Either way, no matter how I feel, I trust devs and I believe that whatever they come up with, it'll be the best for DA4. Even if it means I'll be grumpy for quite a while 

Yeah, I went through that stage... I might get back there at some point again   I agree though that it is unusual to leave the end so open, since the previous games felt pretty wrapped up (as much as they could anyway). Even though Morrigan's romance felt unfihinshed after dao, witch hunt and even dai gave it some sort of closure (though I worry what FleMythal got Morri into now). Damn, I want my Trev to just retire and raise puppies with Cullen.