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[neonmoth]

I haven't been using much of the Sigils either, because the drawbacks tend to outweight the benefits, yeah. +10% something in exchange for -100% something else isn't that great of a deal. It could be made workable by investing in the right skill perks, but that's too much min/maxing for me. They do sell for quite a bit though, so at least they're valuable as loot.

 

I've been using Cheat Engine a lot to force banter to exaust faster between characters I don't take out as much... and to cheat crafting materials into my inventory, tbh. I feel I've played the game "honestly" enough times now that I can allow myself to just sync every schematic and cheat all the best materials and run through the game wearing the best and prettiest armor from the start. Long gone are the days of wearing Plaidweave and ugly Scout plate just because it was the best I could loot/craft at that point. It's all about the Refined Prowler crafted from the finest Dragon Scale now.

Ha, apparently I sit on a gold mine cause I have piles of them. 

 

Yeah, I didn' mind the grinding aspects of the game in my first 10 pts    but the game has so many tedious aspects and rng is sometimes too much for me.

I also want to look pretty from the get go. Not even a shadow of guilt here. But I mostly use it for banter and getting rid of menu for pics. It's amazing to hear some new pieces of environmental comments as well.

 

I have the Sigil of the Great Bear on Blackwall, which gives him 100 per cent extra Guard in exchange for 100 per cent less Barrier. Works pretty well, actually.

Ha, I haven't seen this one yet. And my Great Bear Sigil gives twice as much stamina/mana but half the regen. I guess I could try that one out. The guard vs barrier sounds more exciting though. I barely ever put barrier on my guarded tanks anyway. 

[riverbanks]

Wouldn't it affect the narrative, considering the build up and reveal in Trespasser? Waiting for the sequel of the sequel might result with people being meh about Solas and I thought the whole point of having him as a follower was to create more personal relationship (be it friend or enemy). 

 

It worked for Morrigan, didn't it? Letting players take a break from her and her plot with Flemeth during DA2 made her return more effective in DAI, building on the illusion that they were out of the picture. And to a certain point with Corypheus too, with the mage war taking your attention from him until he came back in full strenght (say what we will about how the ending of DAI flopped on itself, the destruction of Haven made such an impact on everyone when we first saw it, and really made us fear this guy then). I can see them taking the same path with Solas, refocusing the next story into some other direction to take our attention from him and leaving Solas a lingering threat on the fringes of the storyline, then making his return that much more impactful in DA5.

 

Regardless, one thing we have to take into consideration too, is that the series is not made only for old fans. New players will keep coming into the franchise, and the company will always be trying to reach for that new market, so the extent to which Solas' story needs to be tied to the Inquisitor's goes only so far - new players will not have had the experience of building trust or distrust in Solas with the Inquisitor they never played, but they will need to understand why he's a threat without making that entirely dependent on the Inquisitor's history. Morrigan had to be relevant without depending on the Warden, the mage war had to be relevant without depending on Hawke's role in it, even though these plot points were shaped by the previous protagonist too... at some point these concepts need to divorce from our old characters, though, or we funnel the story into something only old players will understand.

[riverbanks]

Ha, I haven't seen this one yet. And my Great Bear Sigil gives twice as much stamina/mana but half the regen. I guess I could try that one out. The guard vs barrier sounds more exciting though. I barely ever put barrier on my guarded tanks anyway. 

 

Same here, I haven't seen the Great Bear one that gives Guard yet. I'd be all over that one. All my Great Bear ones are of the stamina variant too, though I think I did use that one once or twice because the character had one of those perks that makes them regain stamina with each hit, so it evened out in the end.

[thats1evildude]

Oh wait, I was wrong. It's Sigil of the Bronto that gives 100 per cent Guard.

 

[neonmoth]

I could seriously go for involvement in a slave revolt in Tevinter! Especially if they avoid making the leader of the rebellion someone with high rank or a slave who was once high rank and let the leader actually be someone who was never anyone.

 

And yes, I'm not sure Solas will be a major character in DA4, though possibly threads of his story could connect in from time to time.

I would love some more personal take on this scenario. Also, I don't even want to think about waiting for da5 when the wait for da4 is killing me already 

 

I think the point of having him as a follower was to build up Solas as a character before revealing him as a villain.

 

The difficulty with villains in action RPGs is that it's difficult to provide much insight into their character because they generally have to operate out of reach of the hero. I mean, if they're in the same room together, aren't the hero and villain basically obliged to try and kill each other? Solas being a party member first provided a workaround.

 

As to whether people are going to get bored of waiting ... although I imagine there will be complaints about the Solas storyline not getting resolved in DA4, Shepard didn't defeat the Reapers in one game either.

Valid point. I guess I assumed it was more of a build up for da4 after the base game stinger (before trespasser was released) and that's probably the last thing that many will have in mind when going into the next game. 

 

It worked for Morrigan, didn't it? Letting players take a break from her and her plot with Flemeth during DA2 made her return more effective in DAI, building on the illusion that they were out of the picture. And to a certain point with Corypheus too, with the mage war taking your attention from him until he came back in full strenght (say what we will about how the ending of DAI flopped on itself, the destruction of Haven made such an impact on everyone when we first saw it, and really made us fear this guy then). I can see them taking the same path with Solas, refocusing the next story into some other direction to take our attention from him and leaving Solas a lingering threat on the fringes of the storyline, then making his return that much more impactful in DA5.

 

Regardless, one thing we have to take into consideration too, is that the series is not made only for old fans. New players will keep coming into the franchise, and the company will always be trying to reach for that new market, so the extent to which Solas' story needs to be tied to the Inquisitor's goes only so far - new players will not have had the experience of building trust or distrust in Solas with the Inquisitor they never played, but they will need to understand why he's a threat without making that entirely dependent on the Inquisitor's history. Morrigan had to be relevant without depending on the Warden, the mage war had to be relevant without depending on Hawke's role in it, even though these plot points were shaped by the previous protagonist too... at some point these concepts need to divorce from our old characters, though, or we funnel the story into something only old players will understand.

true, thought it feels like Solas' story has more urgency to it (with inquisition, final slides, stinger and so on) Also I secretly hope(d) that he would be overshadowed by something/someone later on anyway (just to provide multiple twists and all that jazz), since there seems to be a strong build up of multiple threads (titans/evanuris/executors). I like his role in the series but I would not want to see him as penultimate antagonist of the series (afaik devs have planned story for 5 da games? so possibly big conclusion in the 5th one?). But I guess anything is possible and I don't mind the change of focus tbh.

[riverbanks]

Oh wait, I was wrong. It's Sigil of the Bronto that gives 100 per cent Guard.

 

Oh good, I was about to go digging for item IDs to see if I could find a rare variant and cheat it into my inventory. 

 

eta: and apparently I'm going to have to cheat it into my inventory anyway, since it only drops during the mages quest and I rarely do that one. Alas, and hurray for Cheat Enginee.

[riverbanks]

I like his role in the series but I would not want to see him as penultimate antagonist of the series. But I guess anything is possible and I don't mind the change of focus tbh.

 

For the record, DA is not ending at the fifth game or anything. The whole "five games plan" has been clarified a number of times, it was just Mike vaguely throwing a number about to make a point in some interview. There's no exact plan for how long the series will keep going, they might do ten if the series keeps selling well, they might stop at four if the next one flops... it all depends on how long EA thinks DA is worth investing in for.

[neonmoth]

Oh good, I was about to go digging for item IDs to see if I could find a rare variant and cheat it into my inventory. 

 

eta: and apparently I'm going to have to cheat it into my inventory anyway, since it only drops during the mages quest and I rarely do that one. Alas, and hurray for Cheat Enginee.

Heh, know my luck. Of course I didn't get it :/

 

And I just noticed that I have several Great Bear ones. Thanks game, I guess... 

[neonmoth]

For the record, DA is not ending at the fifth game or anything. The whole "five games plan" has been clarified a number of times, it was just Mike vaguely throwing a number about to make a point in some interview. There's no exact plan for how long the series will keep going, they might do ten if the series keeps selling well, they might stop at four if the next one flops... it all depends on how long EA thinks DA is worth investing in for.

I just assumed that afterwards they would kick the story few centuries forward to completely sever the ties with Thedas we all know and love and take us to the unknown   

[riverbanks]

I just assumed that afterwards they would kick the story few centuries forward to completely sever the ties with Thedas we all know and love and take us to the unknown   

 

That would be awesome, wouldn't it? I still gigglesnort at the notion of Dragon Age: The Next Age.  They might not stay in the Dragon Age forever, but they can just well drop the franchise name now...

[neonmoth]

That would be awesome, wouldn't it? I still gigglesnort at the notion of Dragon Age: The Next Age.  They might not stay in the Dragon Age forever, but they can just well drop the franchise name now...

Now I imagine Thedas' own version of Groundhog Day where we can't move past the dragon age and have to relieve its history over and over again...  dun dun dun 

 

But yeah, would be awesome.

[R2s Muse]

I just assumed that afterwards they would kick the story few centuries forward to completely sever the ties with Thedas we all know and love and take us to the unknown

Then it wouldn't be the Dragon Age anymore, tho!

For the very reason that there are no guarantees of even a fourth game let alone 5 or more, I'd be surprised if they'd kick the Solas threat down the road more than one game. There's a big difference between Morrigan and Flemeth having a vaguely sinister long-game, possibly involving a fetus who will need a decade to grow vs. someone who is anxious to put his Armageddon plan into action in next few years. BW may not be focused on what the fans want, but presumably the zingers with Solas at the end were intended to build anticipation, which they'll squander if it's not in the next game at all. But who knows. I doubt they could have expected the Solavellan response from the fandom, so they may not care that the fans are dying now for resolution.

[neonmoth]

Then it wouldn't be the Dragon Age anymore, tho!

For the very reason that there are no guarantees of even a fourth game let alone 5 or more, I'd be surprised if they'd kick the Solas threat down the road more than one game. There's a big difference between Morrigan and Flemeth having a vaguely sinister long-game, possibly involving a fetus who will need a decade to grow vs. someone who is anxious to put his Armageddon plan into action in next few years. BW may not be focused on what the fans want, but presumably the zingers with Solas at the end were intended to build anticipation, which they'll squander if it's not in the next game at all. But who knows. I doubt they could have expected the Solavellan response from the fandom, so they may not care that the fans are dying now for resolution.

Then it would be [Beyond the] Dragon Age or Dragon Age [Into the Future] edition   Or just delay the problem alltogether and call it Dragon Age Millenium. That should give us some time 
 
But yeah, I am in the Solas-most-likely-in-the-next-instalment camp.
 
Edit:

I doubt they could have expected the Solavellan response from the fandom, so they may not care that the fans are dying now for resolution.

Or it was their plan all along ^^

[R2s Muse]

Then it would be [Beyond the] Dragon Age or Dragon Age [Into the Future]   Or just delay the problem alltogether and call it Dragon Millenium. That should give us some time 

LOL
You jump forward another thousand years where Lavellan has become immortal like her boyfriend. It's now called Solas Age.

[Sifr]

Now I imagine Thedas' own version of Groundhog Day where we can't move past the dragon age and have to relieve its history over and over again...  dun dun dun 

 

But yeah, would be awesome.

 

Well, DA2 was originally meant to be a sidequel or interequel between Origins and Inquisition, which is a concept that still has a lot of potential to explore in future titles if Bioware ever wanted to revist it. The novels and comics already do it in other media, but having that kind of story as a game means we could use the Keep to import the worldstate rather than just the default canon.

 

Having another "Meanwhile in Thedas..." type story set between games or even before all of them, might be a lot of fun.

 

I'd love to see Maric in action as King of Ferelden, find out exactly what Flemeth asked of Maric in the Stolen Throne, how Wilhelm found Shale in the Deep Roads or what happened to make her splat him, or just what Nathaniel and the other Wardens were doing in the Free Marches that was so important and extremely hush-hush in DA2?

[R2s Muse]

Well, DA2 was originally meant to be a sidequel or interequel between Origins and Inquisition, which is a concept that still has a lot of potential to explore in future titles if Bioware ever wanted to revist it. The novels and comics already do it in other media, but having that kind of story as a game means we could use the Keep to import the worldstate rather than just the default canon.

Having another "Meanwhile in Thedas..." type story set between games or even before all of them, might be a lot of fun.

I'd love to see Maric in action as King of Ferelden, find out exactly what Flemeth asked of Maric in the Stolen Throne, how Wilhelm found Shale in the Deep Roads or what happened to make her splat him, or just what Nathaniel and the other Wardens were doing in the Free Marches that was so important and extremely hush-hush in DA2?

Nathaniel!! If only he were less dead in some folks' playthroughs. sigh.

[Sifr]

Nathaniel!! If only he were less dead in some folks' playthroughs. sigh.

 

D'ya think we could perhaps convince Bioware to make Nathaniel our next Cullen and ascended love interest?

 

Yeah he can be dead... but it's not like Bioware hasn't decided to ignore continuity before. Like how Justice and Anders were always canonically Wardens in DA2 even if you didn't recruit either of them in Awakening, or how Leliana has actually been some kind of Spirit of Faith pretending to be her all along if you murdered her in Origins.

 

(Oh wow, if that's where the Guardian went, that would be either extremely creepy or extremely awesome, or both)

 

Besides, if it took four Wardens to imprison him, I could definitely see him performing some daring, last second and slightly Jack Sparrow-esque escape from the hangman's noose, before fleeing into the wind (and into our hearts...)

 

[Tishina]

Well, DA2 was originally meant to be a sidequel or interequel between Origins and Inquisition, which is a concept that still has a lot of potential to explore in future titles if Bioware ever wanted to revist it. The novels and comics already do it in other media, but having that kind of story as a game means we could use the Keep to import the worldstate rather than just the default canon.

 

Having another "Meanwhile in Thedas..." type story set between games or even before all of them, might be a lot of fun.

 

I'd love to see Maric in action as King of Ferelden, find out exactly what Flemeth asked of Maric in the Stolen Throne, how Wilhelm found Shale in the Deep Roads or what happened to make her splat him, or just what Nathaniel and the other Wardens were doing in the Free Marches that was so important and extremely hush-hush in DA2?

 I'd like the story behind finding Shale (and what the h**l has happened to her since! But I suspect that killing Wilhelm was just the result of him damaging the control rod so she could finally pay him back for the things he did to her (I mean, who chisels away part of a golem!)

[Tishina]

D'ya think we could perhaps convince Bioware to make Nathaniel our next Cullen and ascended love interest?

 

Yeah he can be dead... but it's not like Bioware hasn't decided to ignore continuity before. Like how Justice and Anders were always canonically Wardens in DA2 even if you didn't recruit either of them in Awakening, or how Leliana has actually been some kind of Spirit of Faith pretending to be her all along if you murdered her in Origins.

 

(Oh wow, if that's where the Guardian went, that would be either extremely creepy or extremely awesome, or both)

 

Besides, if it took four Wardens to imprison him, I could definitely see him performing some daring, last second and slightly Jack Sparrow-esque escape from the hangman's noose, before fleeing into the wind (and into our hearts...)

 

Yes!! An LI after my own heart!

[R2s Muse]

D'ya think we could perhaps convince Bioware to make Nathaniel our next Cullen and ascended love interest?
 
Yeah he can be dead... but it's not like Bioware hasn't decided to ignore continuity before. Like how Justice and Anders were always canonically Wardens in DA2 even if you didn't recruit either of them in Awakening, or how Leliana has actually been some kind of Spirit of Faith pretending to be her all along if you murdered her in Origins.
 
(Oh wow, if that's where the Guardian went, that would be either extremely creepy or extremely awesome, or both)
 
Besides, if it took four Wardens to imprison him, I could definitely see him performing some daring, last second and slightly Jack Sparrow-esque escape from the hangman's noose, before fleeing into the wind (and into our hearts...)
 

LOL I wish! Frankly, I think we'd have an easier time with Ser Barris ! I feel like Harding is BW's next dark horse in the running. I'm still hoping for Rylen.

But I think you're right that they could get a lot of cache out of parallel stories, like they've done with the books and such. Esp if they fully move North, since it's so ripe for new storytelling.

[riverbanks]

or just what Nathaniel and the other Wardens were doing in the Free Marches that was so important and extremely hush-hush in DA2?

 

I still really really want that totally hypothetical story about Sebastian, Nathaniel and Bethany roadtripping through the Free Marches that Gaider's never going to write. Imagine all the sorts of trouble that lot could get into! Maybe between DA2 and DAI? While Hawke goes traipsing about through Ferelden looking for Wardens, Seb and Beth go on their own adventures with Nathaniel.

 

I'd also settle for Nathaniel, Sigrun and Oghren roadtripping through the Marches during DA2 on their super secret mission, though. Anything to explain where this lot is when all the Wardens disappear from Ferelden. (because they're not dead. nope. I refuse.)

[CuriousArtemis]

LOL I wish! Frankly, I think we'd have an easier time with Ser Barris ! I feel like Harding is BW's next dark horse in the running. I'm still hoping for Rylen.

 

Ohh Rylen would be great. Yeah it sucks that Ser Barris can die. I mean is it a sure thing? IIRC you can take too long on the templar quest and he can definitively die, right? Such a damn shame :-\

 

I would also take Michel. Hmm. Yeah both Michel and Rylen would make yummy love interests. Shame about Renn; he'd have been great, too (though I guess not feasible since he's in the Legion). One day I'll get a romance like that

 

Not that I would say no to another adorable elf like Fenris or Zevran. I can't think of any from DAI though. There was the Keeper's First we met in the Emerald Graves but he kicks the bucket, doesn't he? And... yeah I really can't think of any o.O

[Sifr]

Ohh Rylen would be great. Yeah it sucks that Ser Barris can die. I mean is it a sure thing? IIRC you can take too long on the templar quest and he can definitively die, right? Such a damn shame :-\

 

I would also take Michel. Hmm. Yeah both Michel and Rylen would make yummy love interests. Shame about Renn; he'd have been great, too (though I guess not feasible since he's in the Legion). One day I'll get a romance like that

 

Not that I would say no to another adorable elf like Fenris or Zevran. I can't think of any from DAI though. There was the Keeper's First we met in the Emerald Graves but he kicks the bucket, doesn't he? And... yeah I really can't think of any o.O

 

I'd have said Mihris from Solas' first quest and from the TME, but we can kill her as well.

 

Bioware loves killing off their characters so much, the worst possibly endings for Mass Effect 2 are basically Until Dawn in space.

[thats1evildude]

Barris can survive Champions of the Just and takes part in several war table operations before being promoted to Knight-Commander. He makes a cameo in the Arbor Wilds.

[BevH]

Ohh Rylen would be great. Yeah it sucks that Ser Barris can die. I mean is it a sure thing? IIRC you can take too long on the templar quest and he can definitively die, right? Such a damn shame :-\

 

I would also take Michel. Hmm. Yeah both Michel and Rylen would make yummy love interests. Shame about Renn; he'd have been great, too (though I guess not feasible since he's in the Legion). One day I'll get a romance like that

 

Not that I would say no to another adorable elf like Fenris or Zevran. I can't think of any from DAI though. There was the Keeper's First we met in the Emerald Graves but he kicks the bucket, doesn't he? And... yeah I really can't think of any o.O

That would've been in the Exalted Plains. And he wasn't Keeper's First. That's why he died trying to prove that he should have been Keeper's First. Youth... go figure.

 

Seriously, though, could we even trust any elf now?

 

That said, I'd love to see Ser Michel as an LI in the next game.