Barris can survive Champions of the Just and takes part in several war table operations before being promoted to Knight-Commander. He makes a cameo in the Arbor Wilds.
Yes, he can, but what happens to him if you side with the mages? I think he dies in that case based on a mission you can send the Chargers on.
Yes, he can, but what happens to him if you side with the mages? I think he dies in that case based on a mission you can send the Chargers on.
It'd have been nice if he survived Therinfal if you sided with the mages.
Barris was smart enough to see something was clearly wrong, was questioning the Lord Seeker's orders and was the one who contacted Cullen about setting up talks with the Inquisition, apparently without authorisation since Denam complained about our arrival upsetting the Red Templar's timetable.
I wish that the Chargers could have found him as one of the survivors, or someone who'd deserted when things went to pot.
I'd have said Mihris from Solas' first quest and from the TME, but we can kill her as well.
Ha well I meant elven guys since I'm talking about possible love interests I'd be interested in.
That would've been in the Exalted Plains. And he wasn't Keeper's First. That's why he died trying to prove that he should have been Keeper's First. Youth... go figure.
No not that kid, I'm talking about the guy in Emerald Groves. He and his crew found a tomb of some sort... I think after you explore it... or after you open the operation up... SOMETHING... you discover he and his crew have been murdered.
Seriously, though, could we even trust any elf now?
Because of Solas? He doesn't represent all elves... just because one guy lied about being an immortal super elf doesn't mean they all will lol
Because of Solas? He doesn't represent all elves... just because one guy lied about being an immortal super elf doesn't mean they all will lol
Spoiler tagged for Trespasser:
I KNEW I had encountered the name "Trevelyan" before!!! http://dvd.netflix.c...22336&qtype=DVD
Louis Trevelyan's refusal to trust his wife, Emily, destroys their marriage and drives him to insanity. He forces her out of their house, hires a seedy private detective to spy on her and kidnaps their son -- with devastating consequences.
So my question remains: can we trust any elf now?
Ahh I see! Well that honestly seems kind of ridiculous, I mean to distrust an entire race because a few decided to leave the people who were oppressing them and fight for a different cause... I mean in real life that would be called racism. The ones who were in the Inquisition and defected had likely been planted by Solas originally, and the ones who leave the city likely do so because they are fcuking miserable and feel this is a way out of that misery.
I mean can you trust any Tevinter because a sh!t ton of them are into slavery and blood magic? 
Ahh I see! Well that honestly seems kind of ridiculous, I mean to distrust an entire race because a few decided to leave the people who were oppressing them and fight for a different cause... I mean in real life that would be called racism. The ones who were in the Inquisition and defected had likely been planted by Solas originally, and the ones who leave the city likely do so because they are fcuking miserable and feel this is a way out of that misery.
I mean can you trust any Tevinter because a sh!t ton of them are into slavery and blood magic?
Yeah, it makes me uncomfortable to think about too deeply, since suspecting people of doing something just because they are [insert category here] is basically racial profiling and that's never okay, even when talking about fictional characters.
Although, even before Trespasser revealed Solas had people in our midst I did wonder if something was a little off about Elan Ve'mal, the replacement herbalist for Adan at Skyhold. When we asked her if she was either born as a Dalish or a City Elf, she meanders around the question. Rather than giving us a direct answer, she instead chooses to provide the the mathematician's answer that she is simply "an elf".
But I guess that a more rational explanation for that curious answer is that she might just be extremely pedantic, because she's not exactly wrong when she continues by pointing out that Dalish or City aren't useful identifers all the time.
But I guess that a more rational explanation for that curious answer is that she might just be extremely pedantic, because she's not exactly wrong when she continues by pointing out that Dalish or City aren't useful identifers all the time.
Yeah, and, sorry to bring it back to Solavellan dear fellow Cullenites, but Lavellan having their valleslin removed (optional) kind of ties into that idea. The valleslin is the most visible indication of whether a person is Dalish or not, and to lose that is to lose a massive aspect of one's identity, and could potentially make Lavellan feel as if they no longer HAVE any identity. I was so fascinated / horrifed by that predicament that I found myself writing about it, about my Lavellan's nerfound fears and realizations upon leaving Skyhold and realizing he's no longer clearly identified as Dalish...
Humans were easier to avoid. They were loud, brush crunching beneath their boots, laughter and insults ringing in the air around them. Only the hunters were silent. They traveled alone and did well to cover their tracks. Once he awoke with a bundle having been nestled near him, under a cloak. It contained dried fish and meats, bread, and cheese. Do I look that skinny? he wondered. The cheese tasted like heaven, especially when smeared against the bread. Pity for a lost elf, he realized. No more vallaslin meant more compassion from kind-hearted humans.
If there were ever any Dalish nearby, he did not see them. They would have been friendly towards a traveling brother, but a runaway city elf might very well evoke contempt rather than pity. Some clans welcomed so-called flat eared elves from the city. Others put an arrow through their hearts and considered doing so an act of pity. His clan had been in the former camp; he had grown up hearing of life in the alienage or in the big house, and several of his close friends, now fellow hunters, had received their vallaslin late in life. But not all clans were the same. Just to be safe, he avoided traveling too deeply into the forest, just as he avoided traveling too closely to civilization. It made for lonely going, but it was the safest way to travel.
Sorry to quote myself I don't mean to promote my story or anything (otherwise I'd probably leave a link ) but it just made me think of this passage. I know a lot of people played Lavellans who were hard core supporters of their people and way of life, and others (seems to be the majority) played Lavellans who were rational and thought the Dalish were outdated and too rustic in their ways. But I (unintentionally) ended up playing and writing a Lavellan who didn't realize how important being Dalish was until he actually lost being Dalish (because he never returns to his clan and doesn't even realize he has no intentions of returning until he's on his way home).
I just wonder if anyone else felt this or thought about this while playing a Solavellan playthrough.
For me, last scene in Trespasser gave me the feeling the IQ will be involved in the next game but probably not playable. I saw the last scene as setting up for a new protagonist to be an "agent" of the organisation the IQ has to track, find and stop Solas. I personally would like some involvement because regardless of which IQ I played, my IQ's kinda feel a tad responable for Solas especially had she known she may of been able to stop him while he was still weak. I think if there was a "sacrifice" scene with Solas, the IQ may show up *shrug* I dunno, I didn't really get the resolution that some of you got. In the end I'd be happy if the IQ is a chessmaster and new protagonist is an agent and because of your decision as IQ to redeem or stop Solas, different quests are available/given.
If my Trev has a cameo aswell, I kinda hope Cullen is left at home... that way he can't be hurt 
As for my Lavellan, I want closure for her but I'd still be happy for the above to happen. I think my Lavellan, though still in love with Solas, took the ending as his final goodbye... as in you won't catch me & if I succeed, one of us or both will be dead. I personally do hope that the IQ gets a cameo at least to help kill/save him.
Also I kept her valleslin because she still felt a connection to the Dalish & still saw it as an integral part of herself but realised after everything that had happened she could no longer go back. She didn't really feel lost afterwards just different. She doesn't really see her role as too different after disband, I've headcannon that still does still search & try to redeem Solas (though she doesn't find him personally) and instead of becoming Keeper of her clan, she's kinda like Keeper of the people who stay with her etc She does stay in contact with her clan & trusts them completely - infact I've headcannon some of them spying for her on Solas' little operation 
EDIT: Also for me, I don't see Solas as the villian but antagonist - yes. I wouldn't be surprised if the veil is brought down and then the Evanuris become a far greater probelm.
Kinda hurts thinking about it, cause it's so open and I have no patience for it atm, I want DA4 now!
Also I can't remember who (think Riverbanks) mentioned about the Wardens. What I found interesting in my Trev PT with being friends with Blackwall & having sent him to the Wardens after the breach, he mentions in passing that there is infighting in the Wardens and that he fears or wouldn't be surprised if they tear themselves apart from the inside. I should look for the exact quote... makes me wonder if they'll have any involvement in next game. Something else gave me hope about griffions too... I think he sends a letter or something later (my memory is shite atm) but includes a griffon feather. I might of watched someone else's ending on YouTube, might be after he leaves his LI in epilogue.
I'm looking forward to Magekiller too I went into my local comic book store & already have a standing order for it (I like to actually hold it lol) and with the next game looking to move to Tevinter wondered if the main characters will appear in the next game. Also, if Maevaris & Dorian possibly making an appearance in the comic. Without know really anything about it, I have speculated that prehaps they become agents for Maevaris/Dorian's resistance and in turn have some involvement in DA4.
I will be disappointed if Dorian and Maevaris don't make an appearance in a game set in/around Tevinter.
Ugh, I'm so tired so if none of this makes sense I sorry. I spent at 30minutes today running around the school looking for a lost kid on a hot sunny day only to find him in the 2nd last classroom I check (after checking EVERYWHERE else) to get "I got confused"... sneaky bugger just wanted to play games on the laptop. It's taken a lot out of me... for various reasons
On a completely unrelated note, is anyone using sigils effectively? So far I have only used two since some of the drawbacks put me off/can't be bothered to create dedicated armour to particular style of missions.
I don't. I tried using Sigil of the Bronto, but it... well, let's say it didn't work.
eta: and apparently I'm going to have to cheat it into my inventory anyway, since it only drops during the mages quest and I rarely do that one. Alas, and hurray for Cheat Enginee.
Actually Sigil of the Bronto... drops from Brontos as well
D'ya think we could perhaps convince Bioware to make Nathaniel our next Cullen and ascended love interest?
LOL I wish! Frankly, I think we'd have an easier time with Ser Barris
! I feel like Harding is BW's next dark horse in the running. I'm still hoping for Rylen.
May I get all three? Nathaniel, Ser Barris and Rylen? Ok, and add Harding so everyone has something awesome
Heh, I think it would be impossible to choose.
Mmmm, Michel! Yes! And at least we know he's alive (altho if you take Imshael's offer... he kills Michel, right? gulp; nvm) But, Renn! Ah, Renn. Loved him. I really hope there's a titan-y reason he comes back.Ohh Rylen would be great. Yeah it sucks that Ser Barris can die. I mean is it a sure thing? IIRC you can take too long on the templar quest and he can definitively die, right? Such a damn shame :-\
I would also take Michel. Hmm. Yeah both Michel and Rylen would make yummy love interests. Shame about Renn; he'd have been great, too (though I guess not feasible since he's in the Legion). One day I'll get a romance like that
I keep forgetting that Mihris was in TME! I wish I'd realized that when I encountered her! She was so interesting.I'd have said Mihris from Solas' first quest and from the TME, but we can kill her as well.
Yeah, but I think the point was that he *can* die, as in actually confirmed to be dead not just unconscious/whatever, during CotJ if you don't take care in the Great Hall, meaning his chances for returning as a core character are slim.Barris can survive Champions of the Just and takes part in several war table operations before being promoted to Knight-Commander. He makes a cameo in the Arbor Wilds.
Yeah, and, sorry to bring it back to Solavellan dear fellow Cullenites, but Lavellan having their valleslin removed (optional) kind of ties into that idea. The valleslin is the most visible indication of whether a person is Dalish or not, and to lose that is to lose a massive aspect of one's identity, and could potentially make Lavellan feel as if they no longer HAVE any identity. I was so fascinated / horrifed by that predicament that I found myself writing about it, about my Lavellan's nerfound fears and realizations upon leaving Skyhold and realizing he's no longer clearly identified as Dalish...
Humans were easier to avoid. They were loud, brush crunching beneath their boots, laughter and insults ringing in the air around them. Only the hunters were silent. They traveled alone and did well to cover their tracks. Once he awoke with a bundle having been nestled near him, under a cloak. It contained dried fish and meats, bread, and cheese. Do I look that skinny? he wondered. The cheese tasted like heaven, especially when smeared against the bread. Pity for a lost elf, he realized. No more vallaslin meant more compassion from kind-hearted humans.
If there were ever any Dalish nearby, he did not see them. They would have been friendly towards a traveling brother, but a runaway city elf might very well evoke contempt rather than pity. Some clans welcomed so-called flat eared elves from the city. Others put an arrow through their hearts and considered doing so an act of pity. His clan had been in the former camp; he had grown up hearing of life in the alienage or in the big house, and several of his close friends, now fellow hunters, had received their vallaslin late in life. But not all clans were the same. Just to be safe, he avoided traveling too deeply into the forest, just as he avoided traveling too closely to civilization. It made for lonely going, but it was the safest way to travel.
Sorry to quote myself
I just wonder if anyone else felt this or thought about this while playing a Solavellan playthrough.
You know, my Lavellan *did* get me thinking a bit differently about the Dalish. In the interest of full disclosure, I previously had no interest whatsoever in the elves. So, my Lavellan started off a bit more ambivalent about her life and just rolled with all the Inquisition drama. "You want me to run your org and be the Herald of someone else's god? mmm.... ok! <insert sarcastic joke>".
But with the Valleslin business, and once I started writing fanfic about her, I started playing around with her relationship to her clan and had a similar thought. I worked up a backstory that her mom was a city elf defector who gave birth right around when she joined the clan, so the woman had all sorts of notions about what/who/why to the Dalish, even giving her baby a name she thought sounded Dalish but was really a shem name. As a result, my Lavellan had a sort of outsider chip on her shoulder through her life in the clan, but didn't really realize all her issues with her identity as Dalish until the valleslin thing (she removed them). I never got around to actually writing that part, but it was an interesting notion to me.
Yeah, it makes me uncomfortable to think about too deeply, since suspecting people of doing something just because they are [insert category here] is basically racial profiling and that's never okay, even when talking about fictional characters.
I wonder if this will become a thing in the next game, tho. Will the elves receive even more distrust than before? Will Briala still be in power? Is she involved? It's also such an interesting choice for the individual elves. Embrace a chance to return your whole race to greatness, but at the cost of killing all the shems? I'm curious to see how they incorporate that. Of course... given that everything is different in Tevinter, this could be even different again.
I don't. I tried using Sigil of the Bronto, but it... well, let's say it didn't work.
Actually Sigil of the Bronto... drops from Brontos as well
May I get all three? Nathaniel, Ser Barris and Rylen? Ok, and add Harding so everyone has something awesome
Heh, I think it would be impossible to choose.
I could get behind all of those, lol. Though I'd have a horrible time picking between Nathaniel, Rylen, and Harding on a first PT because I love their sort of snark.
Yeah, and, sorry to bring it back to Solavellan dear fellow Cullenites, but Lavellan having their valleslin removed (optional) kind of ties into that idea. The valleslin is the most visible indication of whether a person is Dalish or not, and to lose that is to lose a massive aspect of one's identity, and could potentially make Lavellan feel as if they no longer HAVE any identity. I was so fascinated / horrifed by that predicament that I found myself writing about it, about my Lavellan's nerfound fears and realizations upon leaving Skyhold and realizing he's no longer clearly identified as Dalish...
Humans were easier to avoid. They were loud, brush crunching beneath their boots, laughter and insults ringing in the air around them. Only the hunters were silent. They traveled alone and did well to cover their tracks. Once he awoke with a bundle having been nestled near him, under a cloak. It contained dried fish and meats, bread, and cheese. Do I look that skinny? he wondered. The cheese tasted like heaven, especially when smeared against the bread. Pity for a lost elf, he realized. No more vallaslin meant more compassion from kind-hearted humans.
If there were ever any Dalish nearby, he did not see them. They would have been friendly towards a traveling brother, but a runaway city elf might very well evoke contempt rather than pity. Some clans welcomed so-called flat eared elves from the city. Others put an arrow through their hearts and considered doing so an act of pity. His clan had been in the former camp; he had grown up hearing of life in the alienage or in the big house, and several of his close friends, now fellow hunters, had received their vallaslin late in life. But not all clans were the same. Just to be safe, he avoided traveling too deeply into the forest, just as he avoided traveling too closely to civilization. It made for lonely going, but it was the safest way to travel.
Sorry to quote myself
I just wonder if anyone else felt this or thought about this while playing a Solavellan playthrough.
Removing vallaslin was such a profound choice for my character. I loved how organic it felt in the spur of a moment but also taking into consideration what she has learned about her culture and about herself throughout the story. It is such a beautiful roleplaying moment that always leaves me teary eyed. My Lavellan also has removed her vallaslin and it was a very painful experience. To see her so vulnerable, man, so many feels. Part of the reason she did that was that she lost her clan (I suck at war table apparently, though I managed to keep them alive for most of the missions... it actually sucks even more in retrospective), which in turn brought her closer to her companions (especially to Solas), then she's dumped by her bf, laughed at by her bestie (love you Sera but grrr), still grieving her clan, losing her culture piece by piece. Even if she kept her vallaslin she would still feels as outsider after all she went through.
I guess her story resonates with me so much since I also felt uprooted when I moved from my home country and I never expected it to be such a painful experience. It kinda creeps up on you when you're in the most fragile state. Massive identity issues but also a beautiful space for major changes. Btw lovely piece of writing there.
Kinda hurts thinking about it, cause it's so open and I have no patience for it atm, I want DA4 now!
Also I can't remember who (think Riverbanks) mentioned about the Wardens. What I found interesting in my Trev PT with being friends with Blackwall & having sent him to the Wardens after the breach, he mentions in passing that there is infighting in the Wardens and that he fears or wouldn't be surprised if they tear themselves apart from the inside. I should look for the exact quote... makes me wonder if they'll have any involvement in next game. Something else gave me hope about griffions too... I think he sends a letter or something later (my memory is shite atm) but includes a griffon feather. I might of watched someone else's ending on YouTube, might be after he leaves his LI in epilogue.
I'm looking forward to Magekiller too
I will be disappointed if Dorian and Maevaris don't make an appearance in a game set in/around Tevinter.
Ugh, I'm so tired so if none of this makes sense I sorry. I spent at 30minutes today running around the school looking for a lost kid on a hot sunny day only to find him in the 2nd last classroom I check (after checking EVERYWHERE else) to get "I got confused"... sneaky bugger just wanted to play games on the laptop. It's taken a lot out of me... for various reasons
Can I have it naow, kthxbye 
As for Wardens, there is a lot foreshadowing indicating that the sh*t hit the fan in the Warden ranks. The Last Flight, Hawke's/surviving Warden's antics, Blackwall's comment, overall rumours. I can only assume we'll find out soon enough. Have you read The Last Flight novel by any chance? That's the big flag of hope for griffons 
Also I fully expect Dorian and Mae to return in DA4, the way the wind blows... 
And just to break offtopicness snowy fluff from Greendelle
Also, I never realized that she made the allQuizz girls version of the band piece I love so...
Edit: That was fortunate
Actually Sigil of the Bronto... drops from Brontos as well
Oh, thanks for the tip! That's a lot more helpful than just dropping on exclusive quests lol. I'll have to go killing myself some Brontos to get my hands on one of those, it'd be really helpful for Bull since he doesn't seem to build or keep Guard nearly as easy as Blackwall.
Yes, he can, but what happens to him if you side with the mages? I think he dies in that case based on a mission you can send the Chargers on.
He definitely dies if you do In Hushed Whispers - his Keep tile shows you the skeleton-type art, which is for characters that are dead-dead (if you look at Calpernia's tile, she doesn't get a skeleton if you recruit the mages, or even if you outright attack her in her quest). So if you went for the mages at all, Barris is gone in your world state, no other way around it.
eta: actually, "no way around it" is a bit harsh - now that the rules of magic in this universe have gone completely balls up, they could always use time travel or turn Barris into a lyrium ghost if they really really wanted him back.
Hello,
somebody have ALL the text of ALL endings with Cullen - IN GERMAN? Or know where I could find them?
THANKS! 
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Hello,
somebody have ALL the text of ALL endings with Cullen - IN GERMAN? Or know where I could find them?
Maybe the German subforum would know?
Hello,
somebody have ALL the text of ALL endings with Cullen - IN GERMAN? Or know where I could find them?
THANKS!
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I could seriously go for involvement in a slave revolt in Tevinter! Especially if they avoid making the leader of the rebellion someone with high rank or a slave who was once high rank and let the leader actually be someone who was never anyone.
Speaking of slave revolts and potential leaders of one in Tevinter...maybe an elf kidnapped and sold from the Denerim alienage during the Fifth blight? Would be particularly ironic in light of Andraste's story...
Removing vallaslin was such a profound choice for my character. I loved how organic it felt in the spur of a moment but also taking into consideration what she has learned about her culture and about herself throughout the story. It is such a beautiful roleplaying moment that always leaves me teary eyed. My Lavellan also has removed her vallaslin and it was a very painful experience. To see her so vulnerable, man, so many feels. Part of the reason she did that was that she lost her clan (I suck at war table apparently, though I managed to keep them alive for most of the missions... it actually sucks even more in retrospective), which in turn brought her closer to her companions (especially to Solas), then she's dumped by her bf, laughed at by her bestie (love you Sera but grrr), still grieving her clan, losing her culture piece by piece. Even if she kept her vallaslin she would still feels as outsider after all she went through.
I guess her story resonates with me so much since I also felt uprooted when I moved from my home country and I never expected it to be such a painful experience. It kinda creeps up on you when you're in the most fragile state. Massive identity issues but also a beautiful space for major changes. Btw lovely piece of writing there.
Ahh thank you ^////^
Wow, thanks for sharing that... I can see how both situations share the same issue of losing and attempting to reclaim or recast one's identity. There's a middle period of extreme vulnerability there. In case of a Lavellan without vallaslin, it really was a spur of the moment decision, but then it's something that Lavellan has to deal with for the rest of their life. My Lavellan just trusted and admired Solas way too much, and though he was devastated to learn the truth, in a sense he wanted to please Solas and show how tough and brave and "above it all" he could be, so he chose to let Solas remove it. It doesn't help that Solas constantly shows how much dislike he has for the Dalish, so I think simply being Dalish and in a relationship with such a person can be identity-shaking. How can you be expected to constantly defend your identity to the person you love? Again, I can see how this could be related to immigration issues, too...
eta: actually, "no way around it" is a bit harsh - now that the rules of magic in this universe have gone completely balls up, they could always use time travel or turn Barris into a lyrium ghost if they really really wanted him back.
omg.... this is... SO TRUE!!!! I hadn't even thought of that! Now that time travel is CANON literally anyone can be brought back! Wow the writers wrote themselves a lovely loop hole there, didn't they!
Speaking of slave revolts and potential leaders of one in Tevinter...maybe an elf kidnapped and sold from the Denerim alienage during the Fifth blight? Would be particularly ironic in light of Andraste's story...
Ohh that would be cool, and nice little connection to DAO. Possible feisty elven love interest, too....
omg.... this is... SO TRUE!!!! I hadn't even thought of that! Now that time travel is CANON literally anyone can be brought back! Wow the writers wrote themselves a lovely loop hole there, didn't they!
I'm still impressed with the lyrium ghost stuff. It's like they timed it, giving us a whole DLC to show that lyrium is some whack arcane stuff capable of reshaping the world in ways we can't even imagine etc, and then dropped this bomb of, lol by the way Leliana was dead the whole time the lyrium just ~sang her back into living form until her mission was done and she could go back to the Fade. It's a dirty move, but you gotta respect how ingenuous they were about it. They can bring back literally any character they want now, just by waving a Jedi-hand in front of our eyes and saying "the lyrium did it."
I wonder if this will become a thing in the next game, tho. Will the elves receive even more distrust than before? Will Briala still be in power? Is she involved? It's also such an interesting choice for the individual elves. Embrace a chance to return your whole race to greatness, but at the cost of killing all the shems? I'm curious to see how they incorporate that. Of course... given that everything is different in Tevinter, this could be even different again.
There already was a subtle undercurrent of this towards the Qunari in Inquisition with Adaar.
A lot of the Chantry NPCs would automatically assume Adaar was a Qun-follower and the war table missions even had the Valo-Kas get kidnapped by a bunch of extremist nutjobs who were convinced that we were part of a Qunari conspiracy to infilitrate and undermine the Chantry.
It makes me wonder what the ramifications of Trespasser and the thwarted Qunari invasion of the South end up being, since one of the epilogue slides already suggested that Qun!Bull's betrayal mades things a lot harder for Tal-Vashoth and Vashoth elsewhere in Thedas than it already was. Playing as a Qunari or an Elf in Tevinter should be interesting, I really hope we get all four races back in the next game.
Although, do you think the Tevinters will attempt to suppress the knowledge that the Agents of Fen'Harel attempting to return the Elves to dominance? Even if the Magisterium don't take it at all seriously, some might fear that it could sow seeds of dissent and rebellion among the slave population.
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