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[CuriousArtemis]

Removing vallaslin was such a profound choice for my character. I loved how organic it felt in the spur of a moment but also taking into consideration what she has learned about her culture and about herself throughout the story. It is such a beautiful roleplaying moment that always leaves me teary eyed. My Lavellan also has removed her vallaslin and it was a very painful experience. To see her so vulnerable, man, so many feels. Part of the reason she did that was that she lost her clan (I suck at war table apparently, though I managed to keep them alive for most of the missions... it actually sucks even more in retrospective), which in turn brought her closer to her companions (especially to Solas), then she's dumped by her bf, laughed at by her bestie (love you Sera but grrr), still grieving her clan, losing her culture piece by piece. Even if she kept her vallaslin she would still feels as outsider after all she went through.

 

I guess her story resonates with me so much since I also felt uprooted when I moved from my home country and I never expected it to be such a painful experience. It kinda creeps up on you when you're in the most fragile state. Massive identity issues but also a beautiful space for major changes. Btw lovely piece of writing there.

 

Ahh thank you ^////^ 

 

Wow, thanks for sharing that... I can see how both situations share the same issue of losing and attempting to reclaim or recast one's identity. There's a middle period of extreme vulnerability there. In case of a Lavellan without vallaslin, it really was a spur of the moment decision, but then it's something that Lavellan has to deal with for the rest of their life. My Lavellan just trusted and admired Solas way too much, and though he was devastated to learn the truth, in a sense he wanted to please Solas and show how tough and brave and "above it all" he could be, so he chose to let Solas remove it. It doesn't help that Solas constantly shows how much dislike he has for the Dalish, so I think simply being Dalish and in a relationship with such a person can be identity-shaking. How can you be expected to constantly defend your identity to the person you love? Again, I can see how this could be related to immigration issues, too...

 

eta: actually, "no way around it" is a bit harsh - now that the rules of magic in this universe have gone completely balls up, they could always use time travel or turn Barris into a lyrium ghost if they really really wanted him back.

 

omg.... this is... SO TRUE!!!! I hadn't even thought of that! Now that time travel is CANON literally anyone can be brought back! Wow the writers wrote themselves a lovely loop hole there, didn't they!

 

Speaking of slave revolts and potential leaders of one in Tevinter...maybe an elf kidnapped and sold from the Denerim alienage during the Fifth blight? Would be particularly ironic in light of Andraste's story...

 

Ohh that would be cool, and nice little connection to DAO. Possible feisty elven love interest, too....

[riverbanks]

omg.... this is... SO TRUE!!!! I hadn't even thought of that! Now that time travel is CANON literally anyone can be brought back! Wow the writers wrote themselves a lovely loop hole there, didn't they!

 

I'm still impressed with the lyrium ghost stuff. It's like they timed it, giving us a whole DLC to show that lyrium is some whack arcane stuff capable of reshaping the world in ways we can't even imagine etc, and then dropped this bomb of, lol by the way Leliana was dead the whole time the lyrium just ~sang her back into living form until her mission was done and she could go back to the Fade. It's a dirty move, but you gotta respect how ingenuous they were about it. They can bring back literally any character they want now, just by waving a Jedi-hand in front of our eyes and saying "the lyrium did it."

[Sifr]

I wonder if this will become a thing in the next game, tho. Will the elves receive even more distrust than before? Will Briala still be in power? Is she involved? It's also such an interesting choice for the individual elves. Embrace a chance to return your whole race to greatness, but at the cost of killing all the shems? I'm curious to see how they incorporate that. Of course... given that everything is different in Tevinter, this could be even different again. 

 

There already was a subtle undercurrent of this towards the Qunari in Inquisition with Adaar.

 

A lot of the Chantry NPCs would automatically assume Adaar was a Qun-follower and the war table missions even had the Valo-Kas get kidnapped by a bunch of extremist nutjobs who were convinced that we were part of a Qunari conspiracy to infilitrate and undermine the Chantry.

 

It makes me wonder what the ramifications of Trespasser and the thwarted Qunari invasion of the South end up being, since one of the epilogue slides already suggested that Qun!Bull's betrayal mades things a lot harder for Tal-Vashoth and Vashoth elsewhere in Thedas than it already was. Playing as a Qunari or an Elf in Tevinter should be interesting, I really hope we get all four races back in the next game.

 

Although, do you think the Tevinters will attempt to suppress the knowledge that the Agents of Fen'Harel attempting to return the Elves to dominance? Even if the Magisterium don't take it at all seriously, some might fear that it could sow seeds of dissent and rebellion among the slave population.

[R2s Muse]

There already was a subtle undercurrent of this towards the Qunari in Inquisition with Adaar.
 
A lot of the Chantry NPCs would automatically assume Adaar was a Qun-follower and the war table missions even had the Valo-Kas get kidnapped by a bunch of extremist nutjobs who were convinced that we were part of a Qunari conspiracy to infilitrate and undermine the Chantry.
 
It makes me wonder what the ramifications of Trespasser and the thwarted Qunari invasion of the South end up being, since one of the epilogue slides already suggested that Qun!Bull's betrayal mades things a lot harder for Tal-Vashoth and Vashoth elsewhere in Thedas than it already was. Playing as a Qunari or an Elf in Tevinter should be interesting, I really hope we get all four races back in the next game.
 
Although, do you think the Tevinters will attempt to suppress the knowledge that the Agents of Fen'Harel attempting to return the Elves to dominance? Even if the Magisterium don't take it at all seriously, some might fear that it could sow seeds of dissent and rebellion among the slave population.

Ah, I didn't know that about playing an Adaar. I might actually have to try it!

That's a good point about elves in Tevinter. I also wonder... if you live in a society like that, where elves are slaves, I wonder how seriously you would even consider the threat of a slave uprising. Hmm. Next game should be interesting! Plus... if Maevaris shows up as a character or *gasp* a companion, omgomgomg!

[Sifr]

If you play as an Adaar, the Chanter in Val Royeaux (the one who broke the Chant) actually refuses to speak to you at all, because he refuses to listen to the words of a "Qun-worshipping heretic". It actually made me double-take the first time I played through that part, since he doesn't even treat Lavellan or Cadash with that amount of hostility.

 

I really hope that Mae or Dorian are prominent characters in the next game, it'd be great to see them in action leading the Tevinter Resistance. I'd love to have Mae as a companion, but since Dorian always ends up heading back to Tevinter at the end of Trespasser, it'd not exactly be shoehorning him in if they wanted him to be another returning companion.

 

I wonder if they're going to keep the Templar spec in the next game, since the resident Templars in Tevinter don't use lyrium?

[Tishina]

Ah, I didn't know that about playing an Adaar. I might actually have to try it!

That's a good point about elves in Tevinter. I also wonder... if you live in a society like that, where elves are slaves, I wonder how seriously you would even consider the threat of a slave uprising. Hmm. Next game should be interesting! Plus... if Maevaris shows up as a character or *gasp* a companion, omgomgomg!

Historically, you'd hear lots of denials that it could happen while paranoia rules about it actually happening. Judging from Calpernia's story, I think the writers are aware of that. I have to admit, I saw a lot more subtlety and awareness in how the races were handled in DAO than in DAI. I'm hopeful that was just because they had to shoehorn the others in after a lot of development had already been done. I'm waiting to see how they handle the backlash against elves generally because there simply isn't any way, short of continent-wide mind control, that they won't be scapegoated at least locally.

 

But speaking of Maevaris, and back to Cullen, I would dearly love him to run into her briefly in DA4 (he's gotten the scented handkerchief in several of my PTs, lol.) Or us find correspondence, at least...

 

Edit: Oh, I thought of another potential Fen'harel spy. The former Dalish/mage apprentice Minaeve...She was thrown out by the Dalish, but humans tried to kill her, so she doesn't have much reason to care for either. She claims she wasn't powerful enough to be a full mage, but apprentices who aren't considered strong enough to be Harrowed are made tranquil.

[Asperath]

*snip*

 

As for Wardens, there is a lot foreshadowing indicating that the sh*t hit the fan in the Warden ranks. The Last Flight, Hawke's/surviving Warden's antics, Blackwall's comment, overall rumours. I can only assume we'll find out soon enough. Have you read The Last Flight novel by any chance? That's the big flag of hope for griffons 

 

Also I fully expect Dorian and Mae to return in DA4, the way the wind blows... 

 

Yeah, I have... it's what made me have the childish "YAY" when I saw it.

Also wondering if that has contributed to the problems wardens having, maybe divided in how to utilise the griffons or possibly not... keep it secret, breeding programs (I would think if a given), train, release...?. Wardens at the very least are factured, any of issue(s) are bound to compond on it.

 

 

*snip*

 

Edit: Oh, I thought of another potential Fen'harel spy. The former Dalish/mage apprentice Minaeve...She was thrown out by the Dalish, but humans tried to kill her, so she doesn't have much reason to care for either. She claims she wasn't powerful enough to be a full mage, but apprentices who aren't considered strong enough to be Harrowed are made tranquil.

 

Never thought of her. First instinct was no because her treatment from her clan but Solas and his goals aren't Dalish. She does have a love of studying/research, and what better way to indulge in one's passion? I could see her using that passion to help Solas locate more artifacts and knowledge... I wouldn't see her as front line, undercover agent.

[neonmoth]

If you play as an Adaar, the Chanter in Val Royeaux (the one who broke the Chant) actually refuses to speak to you at all, because he refuses to listen to the words of a "Qun-worshipping heretic". It actually made me double-take the first time I played through that part, since he doesn't even treat Lavellan or Cadash with that amount of hostility.

This made me wonder how Qunari (as a race) are able to exist out of Qun controlled areas. I mean, we learn about tal/vashoth mercenaries but we only meet Bull (and that other guy in da2) and he's not really tal vashoth to begin with. It is hard to have a clear understanding what a general populace thinks about them. At least with elves (including Dalish) and dwarfs we have plenty of examples, including previous games, and it's easier to have a general idea how they are treated around Thedas.

[neonmoth]

Yeah, I have... it's what made me have the childish "YAY" when I saw it.

Also wondering if that has contributed to the problems wardens having, maybe divided in how to utillse the griffons or possibly not... keep it secret, breeding programs (I would think if a given), train, release...?. Wardens at the very least are factured, any of issue(s) are bound to compond on it.

TLF made me mighty excited about DAI, back when I thought we would have some part of the plot dedicated to griffons. Ah well... 

[Asperath]

TLF made me mighty excited about DAI, back when I thought we would have some part of the plot dedicated to griffons. Ah well... 

 

One can hope for next game? I will

 

I'm actually curious to see if the Executors will make an appearance in DA4. I would like at least more information about them, whether it's codex entries or some interaction with them. Considering they kept an eye on the happenings during DAI, will the do the same again or be more active?

I've always wanted to know what was beyond Thedas.

[Rascoth]

I'm actually curious to see if the Executors will make an appearance in DA4. I would like at least more information about them, whether it's codex entries or some interaction with them. Considering they kept an eye on the happenings during DAI, will the do the same again or be more active?

I've always wanted to know what was beyond Thedas.

The Executors! I really want to learn more about them as well. They piqued my interest. Just like Lizard people (The Descent codex entries about them were quite fascinating).

[neonmoth]

One can hope for next game? I will

 

I'm actually curious to see if the Executors will make an appearance in DA4. I would like at least more information about them, whether it's codex entries or some interaction with them. Considering they kept an eye on the happenings during DAI, will the do the same again or be more active?

I've always wanted to know what was beyond Thedas.

They might, though I wouldn't be surprised if they kept them for a moment when they are exhausted with the current setting/plot duirection. It would make sense if they started to foreshadow existence of some unknown forces long before they are introduced. Still, I only completed the chalk markings mission couple of days ago and it's nice to be reminded (especially in the context of dai and trespasser's lore dump) that there are still many mysteries lingering in the shadow.   

[R2s Muse]

The Executors! I really want to learn more about them as well. They piqued my interest. Just like Lizard people (The Descent codex entries about them were quite fascinating).

omg yes!! I kept expecting the lizard people to have some connection to the Titan. But no answers!

[R2s Muse]

I've always wanted to know what was beyond Thedas.

I was just thinking about this as I heard a war table banter about it . It made me hope that they might actually explore that in the next game!

[R2s Muse]

LOL So, for those keeping score at home . . .

From the Solas thread... 7 pages ago...
 

Aaaaand, we are now even with the Cullen thread, people!

[Rascoth]

omg yes!! I kept expecting the lizard people to have some connection to the Titan. But no answers!

Whoever came up with putting those codex entries there is evil genius.

"You wanna know, right? Nope, not this time!" 

 

LOL So, for those keeping score at home . . .

From the Solas thread... 7 pages ago...
 

Hehe, yeah. I saw that. I'm surprised they didn't throw huge party after that, considering how much they'd posted about overtaking Cullen thread 

And I say it with all the love I have for people in Solas thread.

[Tishina]

Whoever came up with putting those codex entries there is evil genius.

"You wanna know, right? Nope, not this time!" 

 

Hehe, yeah. I saw that. I'm surprised they didn't throw huge party after that, considering how much they'd posted about overtaking Cullen thread 

And I say it with all the love I have for people in Solas thread.

Well, that's how it should be at this point. Cullen's story is pretty much over unless they really surprise us, while Solas's still has huge potential.

[Ariella]

Lyrium ghost is interesting, but there are some things that still make me wonder if there's more to her in general, like the Blight resistance we find out about in Redcliffe Castle.

And then there's Justina... I still have no idea what's up with her.

Does Solas ever cover why the Conclave was picked, or the Divine? Because, whatever Cory was doing wasn't blood magic to unlock the Orb. And it unlocked without killing Justina. This is why I play this game, it makes my head hurt.

On a Cullen note: do we know how long he was in the Pepto Bubble of Doom?

[Potato Cat]

LOL So, for those keeping score at home . . .

From the Solas thread... 7 pages ago...
 

Meh, it'll impress me when they beat the total of all our threads.   

[Ariella]

LOL So, for those keeping score at home . . .

From the Solas thread... 7 pages ago...
 

I caught this on tumblr this morning. I'm still waiting for my popcorn

[R2s Muse]

Meh, it'll impress me when they beat the total of all our threads.   

LOL I figure they can have their celebration without pointing out that they need over 9000 pages of continuous discussion to really top us. But they have time.

 

[R2s Muse]

I caught this on tumblr this morning. I'm still waiting for my popcorn

[Caja]

Hey guys and gals, I'm working on a fanfiction and I have a rather stupid question. Ahem... would you describe Cullen's hair as blond?

[thats1evildude]

Yessssssss?

[riverbanks]

Hey guys and gals, I'm working on a fanfiction and I have a rather stupid question. Ahem... would you describe Cullen's hair as blond?

 

Depends on which version of him makes the strongest impression in your mind. I still can't see him as blond, despite hard evidence to the contrary - I'll always see him in my mind as having auburn hair, like he had in DAO. Maybe he's just... going white very fast.

 

But yes, you can totally describe him as blond in your fic. Headcanons and stubborn player perception aside, he's undeniably blond in DA2/DAI.