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[CuriousArtemis]

Totally agree with you, Tish; the writers always seem sympathetic and open to progressive ideas and suggestions, but a lot of times they eff up and let their privilege show. It is hard to fault them because they're leagues ahead of other gaming companies, but, as I always say, we criticize because we love them so much

 

I actually wouldn't call Dorian's justification of slavery weak, unless I haven't explored all conversation paths with him. He actually is fairly defensive, seeing Lavellan's accusations as accusations against his entire homeland, and Dorian is VERY patriotic. I think he basically says, (paraphrasing obviously lol) "Sure, we have slaves, but you have alienages, and is that any better?" To which the obvious answer is, YES!!!!!! Oh, Dorian. *shakes head*

 

(And I know I complain a lot about Dorian lol but don't worry, friends of Dorian, although I do think he was not the best way to represent Dragon Age's first gay companion, and I like my modded mohawk'd mustache-less version than the default version, he still a great character... I like characters with controversial views, i.e. Cullen!! But DAI brushed all Cullen's previous issues under the rug, and didn't give us a chance to really battle Dorian on the slavery issue)

 

EDIT: I don't think I ever encountered this Bevin kid in either of my playthroughs...

[Tishina]

Totally agree with you, Tish; the writers always seem sympathetic and open to progressive ideas and suggestions, but a lot of times they eff up and let their privilege show. It is hard to fault them because they're leagues ahead of other gaming companies, but, as I always say, we criticize because we love them so much

 

I actually wouldn't call Dorian's justification of slavery weak, unless I haven't explored all conversation paths with him. He actually is fairly defensive, seeing Lavellan's accusations as accusations against his entire homeland, and Dorian is VERY patriotic. I think he basically says, (paraphrasing obviously lol) "Sure, we have slaves, but you have alienages, and is that any better?" To which the obvious answer is, YES!!!!!! Oh, Dorian. *shakes head*

 

(And I know I complain a lot about Dorian lol but don't worry, friends of Dorian, although I do think he was not the best way to represent Dragon Age's first gay companion, and I like my modded mohawk'd mustache-less version than the default version, he still a great character... I like characters with controversial views, i.e. Cullen!! But DAI brushed all Cullen's previous issues under the rug, and didn't give us a chance to really battle Dorian on the slavery issue)

 

EDIT: I don't think I ever encountered this Bevin kid in either of my playthroughs...

Bevin is the kid who hides in a closet (in Redcliffe) and his sister in the Chantry tells you he's missing. I usually save him, but rarely let him have the sword.

[Qun00]

I played through the mage origin today. It's funny how Cullen starts smiling when you invite him to your quarters. Overjoyed, even. Alas, his fear of breaking the rules wins in the end.

And then he just runs away. My first thought was "Did he immediately rush to the bathroom to masturbate? He's definitely gonna masturbate."

[CuriousArtemis]

Bevin is the kid who hides in a closet (in Redcliffe) and his sister in the Chantry tells you he's missing. I usually save him, but rarely let him have the sword.

 

Oh okay, I remember him. I don't remember anything about a sword though, but it has been years since I played this.

[Cerulione]

Happy Page 5.5K!!!

[R2s Muse]

 

So, I'm both hoping for and wary of a Tevinter slave rebel for DA4. I'm wary because they don't seem to have anyone who's read anything more modern than those paternalistic myths about slavery and the "helpless" freedmen. Whether or not they include a slave rebel as a companion, if they're going to Tevinter, they desperately need someone on board who's studied the recent scholarship, and I mean more than a single class or two at the undergraduate level and at a reputable university.

Do I hear someone interested in some consulting work...? :innocent blinking:

[R2s Muse]

 

About DA4 I'm not particulary waiting for that one still there are still so many things that can be explored by fanfic etc...and DA4 will quite crush all of those... So well... Will be back to hype when the time will come! Thinking about DA4 made me not wanting to do the fancomic about my kids and actually just develop the story further to make it original work when it'll never be crushed by  any canon... But oh well, it is based from Dragon Age's stories, from back before the creation of the veil to post Trespasser and the future O.o

Well I'll draw some more loose fanarts and see what it'll be XD

Oh, folks will always be interested in reading/view it, even if it becomes somewhat AU. All fanfic is fundamentally AU in some way, anyway, so I'd just enjoy what you enjoy.

[Danny Boy 7]

Oh, folks will always be interested in reading it, even if it becomes somewhat AU. All fanfic is fundamentally AU in some way, anyway, so I'd just enjoy what you enjoy.

Yep, even if it gets made definitely non-canon I still enjoy a lot of the old fanfic for things like Cullen as a companion, etc.

[Danny Boy 7]

As for DA4 I think Dorian, Mae, Scout Harding, Marius and/or Tessa will be involved. Mae I think will be a advisor, Dorian and Harding could be followers or advisors and either Marius or Tessa could be a follower to oppose Dorian's quasi-slavery is cool argument.

[Tishina]

Do I hear someone interested in some consulting work...? :innocent blinking:

*snort* To keep them from creating a train wreck when they go to Tevinter...

[thats1evildude]

Nice Cullen/Lavellan art. Trespasser spoilers.

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[R2s Muse]

So... speaking of fanfic that is now slightly AU... New chapter!
 
Fool’s Errand  by R2s Muse

Chapter 22: Together Again (ao3) (ffn)

Read from the beginning

Chapter Summary: Cullen and Hawke’s mission finally barrels toward a resolution, but as they reunite with their friends, Cullen receives an unwelcome surprise. 

Summary: Three years after allowing Marian Hawke to escape Kirkwall, a disgraced Cullen is sent on a desperate quest to find her. Can he earn her trust in time to regain what he’s lost and finally redeem them all for the role they played in igniting the mage-templar war? Set in 9:40, after the events of DA2 and Asunder. Now somewhat AU to DA:I.

[CuriousArtemis]

As for DA4 I think Dorian, Mae, Scout Harding, Marius and/or Tessa will be involved. Mae I think will be a advisor, Dorian and Harding could be followers or advisors and either Marius or Tessa could be a follower to oppose Dorian's quasi-slavery is cool argument.

 

Who are Marius and Tessa?

 

I don't think Dorian will be a significant part of DA4 since he is a romance option for DAI.

[Danny Boy 7]

Who are Marius and Tessa?

 

I don't think Dorian will be a significant part of DA4 since he is a romance option for DAI.

They are the main characters of the Magekiller comic. They are bounty hunters who specialize in hunting down Blood Mages. Marius was in the Calpernia short story (I forget the title, but I'm sure you can find it on the BioWare Blog) Basically he was a slave who was trained to be the personal assassin (of mages) for a magister. He somehow won his freedom, but he didn't know anything other than hunting mages so he made a job out of it. Tessa is the estranged daughter of the Forscythia family in Nevarra...and hasn't actually had a lot about her history revealed yet. 

 

Anyway Marius is a lot like Fenris background wise, but unlike our broody elf he doesn't particularly hate mages. He doesn't take Tevinter's **** mind you (and will certainly remind a Magister about it), but he doesn't have an issue with mages in general. They are kind of the dark brooding guy and sarcastic greedy partner trope, but I like it so far.

 

I think Dorian will, but mainly because Trespasser kind of beat us over the head with it (and him being a Magister).

[Tishina]

They are the main characters of the Magekiller comic. They are bounty hunters who specialize in hunting down Blood Mages. Marius was in the Calpernia short story (I forget the title, but I'm sure you can find it on the BioWare Blog) Basically he was a slave who was trained to be the personal assassin (of mages) for a magister. He somehow won his freedom, but he didn't know anything other than hunting mages so he made a job out of it. Tessa is the estranged daughter of the Forscythia family in Nevarra...and hasn't actually had a lot about her history revealed yet. 

 

Anyway Marius is a lot like Fenris background wise, but unlike our broody elf he doesn't particularly hate mages. He doesn't take Tevinter's **** mind you (and will certainly remind a Magister about it), but he doesn't have an issue with mages in general. They are kind of the dark brooding guy and sarcastic greedy partner trope, but I like it so far.

 

I think Dorian will, but mainly because Trespasser kind of beat us over the head with it (and him being a Magister).

I think Dorian may be an advisor of the non-romanceable Leli type. Can't decide if I'd like the idea of putting him in charge or as the Black Divine at the end or not...

 

Edit - though with DG gone, the question may be whether anyone is interested enough in Dorian to write that much content?

[CuriousArtemis]

They are the main characters of the Magekiller comic. They are bounty hunters who specialize in hunting down Blood Mages. Marius was in the Calpernia short story (I forget the title, but I'm sure you can find it on the BioWare Blog) Basically he was a slave who was trained to be the personal assassin (of mages) for a magister. He somehow won his freedom, but he didn't know anything other than hunting mages so he made a job out of it. Tessa is the estranged daughter of the Forscythia family in Nevarra...and hasn't actually had a lot about her history revealed yet. 

 

Anyway Marius is a lot like Fenris background wise, but unlike our broody elf he doesn't particularly hate mages. He doesn't take Tevinter's **** mind you (and will certainly remind a Magister about it), but he doesn't have an issue with mages in general. They are kind of the dark brooding guy and sarcastic greedy partner trope, but I like it so far.

 

I think Dorian will, but mainly because Trespasser kind of beat us over the head with it (and him being a Magister).

 

I thought Dorian was an Altus? I've only played Trespasser once lol I remember Dorian gave my inquisitor a magic mirror so they could Skype, I mean chat, which was kind of weird...

 

And wooow yeah Marius sounds awesome!! And bring on another Nevarran! EDIT: Googled them and they look cool.

 

I think Dorian may be an advisor of the non-romanceable Leli type. Can't decide if I'd like the idea of putting him in charge or as the Black Divine at the end or not...

 

Edit - though with DG gone, the question may be whether anyone is interested enough in Dorian to write that much content?

 

Dorian was obviously very special to DG but then again they seem to all be okay with writing each other's characters, especially if a writer leaves. Though personally i still don't think Dorian will be in it, but we'll see. I mean just from previous experience... other than Morrigan (fan favorite), what romanceable previous companion had a big recurring role? Well, Leliana, sure...

 

I would feel sorry for Dorian fans who romanced him... it would be like seeing Fenris without Hawke for me :-\ (Or hell seeing Solas at all in DA4, which is why I pray he is off doing evil elf stuff and maybe just dies off screen lol)

[Danny Boy 7]

I thought Dorian was an Altus? I've only played Trespasser once lol I remember Dorian gave my inquisitor a magic mirror so they could Skype, I mean chat, which was kind of weird...

 

And wooow yeah Marius sounds awesome!! And bring on another Nevarran! EDIT: Googled them and they look cool.

 

 

Dorian was obviously very special to DG but then again they seem to all be okay with writing each other's characters, especially if a writer leaves. Though personally i still don't think Dorian will be in it, but we'll see. I mean just from previous experience... other than Morrigan (fan favorite), what romanceable previous companion had a big recurring role? Well, Leliana, sure...

 

I would feel sorry for Dorian fans who romanced him... it would be like seeing Fenris without Hawke for me :-\ (Or hell seeing Solas at all in DA4, which is why I pray he is off doing evil elf stuff and maybe just dies off screen lol)

Dorian's father is assassinated and he leaves his seat to his son. Dorian also starts the Lucerni with Mae (keeping in constant contact with the Inquisitor over the years). This happens I think regardless of a relationship with Dorian or not. You do bring up a good point though about there not being a follower who was romanceable returning as a follower. Other than Harding though I don't know who could return who can't die, would have a connection to Tevinter or one of the themes and be able to guide the PC in the opening levels.

 

Yeah I figure Sheryl Chee, Patrick Weekes or maybe Lukas could.

[R2s Muse]

Yeah, given the hit-you-over-the-head hints Danny mentioned, I'm also willing to bet Dorian will be back if we go to Tevinter. I could also see him being a non-romanceable companion, altho his leadership roles in Tevinter could mean that he'd be more advisor-like, ala Leliana.

They've talked a lot about wanting to put past characters to rest. But then DA:I was practically a who's who of cameos, so I still expect we'll see returning characters. Maybe not the same ones, like maybe not Alistair yet again, but I bet we'll see some of the DAI crowd, like prob Cullen again (cough cough the NEW Alistair ??? ). Esp since I expect them to wrap up the IQ's storyline in some way with respect to Solas.

I will now go eat my feelings over the lack of true, player-controlled Sollavellan closure. :wibble:

[Cerulione]

This is crazy but I really want to play the Quizzy again in DA4 T__T

Encountering Solas, Dorian, Harding, Leliana & Cass...

 

Well I'll just go creating more content with my girls and Solas and Minaeve and Cullen and everyone T___T

 

In all honesty I don't think Leli & Cass can return. Cass probably but Leliana's been there for 3 game in which 2 of them let her have major roles. The thing is whatever happen Cass survive. I have hope...

 

Although we won't have Cullen anymore.

 

 

Oh, folks will always be interested in reading/view it, even if it becomes somewhat AU. All fanfic is fundamentally AU in some way, anyway, so I'd just enjoy what you enjoy.

 

Hehe true

Although sometime for longer projects it feels discouraging to do huge work just to get it all crushed. Because once the canon crushed, I think that it kinda kills the story somehow, either for the creator or for the audience. I got some very very loud slash on my "fix the ending" Solavellan epilogue slide that it ain't canon and not OK etc2 and it's not acceptable etc2 on Deviant Art. I ended up deleted the whole comment of her because it's so unnerving.

[R2s Muse]

Hehe true
Although sometime for longer projects it feels discouraging to do huge work just to get it all crushed. Because once the canon crushed, I think that it kinda kills the story somehow, either for the creator or for the audience. I got some very very loud slash on my "fix the ending" Solavellan epilogue slide that it ain't canon and not OK etc2 and it's not acceptable etc2 on Deviant Art. I ended up deleted the whole comment of her because it's so unnerving.

ah I'm sorry that happened, Ceru. Your picture was stunning! Honestly, some crazy sh!t happens in that fandom. I suppose there are *some* advantages to writing a pairing few care about. :/

Edit: oh and I still think that, like Alistair, they'll prob find a way to include a Cullen cameo. It's a marketing imperative.

[Cerulione]

ah I'm sorry that happened, Ceru. Your picture was stunning! Honestly, some crazy sh!t happens in that fandom. I suppose there are *some* advantages to writing a pairing few care about. :/

Edit: oh and I still think that, like Alistair, they'll prob find a way to include a Cullen cameo. It's a marketing imperative.

 

Thanks, really. Tha means a lot. I think that she rather miss the whole point of "fix the epilogue" home made slide

 

But judging from the number of slash I have lately it's just another drop in the glass TBH. Yesterday I got an anon not being really happy on my fanarting only a very popular Solavellan writer who does receive regularly some fanart and ignoring the rest of the world. Anon basically tells me how unfair it is to give more to people who already receives so much and some people have none and is ignored etc. It's not really a "hate" but more like "this is really unfair". I just deleted it because the writer's mutual O.o. From the way it's phrased, it feels like anon must be a writer too... probably.

 

I don't know what to think anymore. I'm seriously considering avoiding these kind of jealousy the easiest way is just to do it like as if it's a closed, private fandom. Do the drawing, send them via mail/private messages to a trusted number of people. I know that this is probably taking the logic "wrongly" since guess that fanartists are supposed to fanarting everyone's fic or what? Because TBH, I'm not an artwork machine

 

Why do that anon send it to me those kind of messages is still a mystery, there are tons of better fanartists out there who fanart fics, do all of them receive this kind of message daily?

 

About the cameo: Bwahahahaha I really hope that! Crazy wish: we have the quizzy again as PC in DA4, can get Cullen as companion if he's not taking Lyrium .

...okay, not happening I know.

[CuriousArtemis]

ah I'm sorry that happened, Ceru. Your picture was stunning! Honestly, some crazy sh!t happens in that fandom. I suppose there are *some* advantages to writing a pairing few care about. :/

 

This fandom... it cannot handle non-canon. It's SO BIZARRE. Slash and Femslash? Heads explode. Rewritten endings? Heads explode. No-canon pairings in general? Heads explode. You didn't write the character the way I see him/her/them? Heads explode.

 

And heads exploding in a mean way. I've never seen its like :-/ It does not exactly encourage fandom participation. 

 

And writing a rare pairing, sure, you get less hate, but you get less... everything. As I'm sure you know :-/

 

Anon basically tells me how unfair it is to give more to people who already receives so much and some people have none and is ignored etc. It's not really a "hate" but more like "this is really unfair". I just deleted it because the writer's mutual O.o. From the way it's phrased, it feels like anon must be a writer too... probably.

 

It was me, guilty as charged

 

I'm guessing it was about that really popular fanfic that has you and so many others enthralled. Again, so bizarre. Artists drawing my stuff is always the highest form of flattery and makes you realize that, maybe you didn't write GOOD stuff, but you wrote stuff that touched someone. 

 

It does suck if you write something and no one seems to really care or be moved by it, but why take your disappointment out on others who struggled and succeeded? It's like crying that someone's more popular than you are... grow up! And leave the artists out of it!

 

Regarding cameos, you guys all know how I feel about those... unless I get to romance them and they're super hot, I don't ever wanna see em again

[Danny Boy 7]

lol MMG all I have in my head is you shaking you fist at someone screaming (from a porch)

 

MMG: Get off my lawn until you take your shirt off!

 

I agree though Cerulione. Just keep doing what you're doing. Yes, it sucks if you don't have anyone respond to something you've written, but that's why you keep writing because eventually there will be something that someone enjoys so much that they fanart for it or just start following you. Also Anons are a-holes

[Cerulione]

This fandom... it cannot handle non-canon. It's SO BIZARRE. Slash and Femslash? Heads explode. Rewritten endings? Heads explode. No-canon pairings in general? Heads explode. You didn't write the character the way I see him/her/them? Heads explode.

 

And heads exploding in a mean way. I've never seen its like :-/ It does not exactly encourage fandom participation. 

 

And writing a rare pairing, sure, you get less hate, but you get less... everything. As I'm sure you know :-/

 

 

It was me, guilty as charged

 

I'm guessing it was about that really popular fanfic that has you and so many others enthralled. Again, so bizarre. Artists drawing my stuff is always the highest form of flattery and makes you realize that, maybe you didn't write GOOD stuff, but you wrote stuff that touched someone. 

 

It does suck if you write something and no one seems to really care or be moved by it, but why take your disappointment out on others who struggled and succeeded? It's like crying that someone's more popular than you are... grow up! And leave the artists out of it!

 

Regarding cameos, you guys all know how I feel about those... unless I get to romance them and they're super hot, I don't ever wanna see em again

 

Aaaw, you lie worse than Mr Cullibear the Teddy Bear Named After Cullen

 

Yes it's about that damned fic that's changing the course of my tumblr blog.

 

In this fandom sometime it really feels like the kind of mentality, if I can't have it then no one should. Saying it on a personal post and rant for 40000 words is their own bussiness but to bring it to others...

 

In any case I won't stop drawing what I really feel because well, some images do need to get out from the head.

[Tishina]

lol MMG all I have in my head is you shaking you fist at someone screaming (from a porch)

 

MMG: Get off my lawn until you take your shirt off!

 

I agree though Cerulione. Just keep doing what you're doing. Yes, it sucks if you don't have anyone respond to something you've written, but that's why you keep writing because eventually there will be something that someone enjoys so much that they fanart for it or just start following you. Also Anons are a-holes

Actually, Ceru's one of our artists, . And apparently some idjits vented at her because they don't like AU happy endings? I dunno, everyone else loved it.