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[Exile Isan]

This is... I have no words to express how cute this is!

*clears throat* I'm sorry. As you were.

[R2s Muse]

bwhahahahahahaha! 10 points to CA for best response!

[Sifr]

What's weird is that someone higher up in Cullen's chain of command like Cassandra didn't already know before coming to Kirkwall what Cullen had to say. He must have reported what happened. To someone in the Order or the Chantry. Someone in Val Royeaux must have an account somewhere of what the de facto leader of the templars in Kirkwall, who was an eye witness to Meredith's downfall, said about what happened. If Cassandra is researching Hawke, you'd think she'd start there. But she's clueless. So either she didn't read it/find it, or she did look into it, and the account was inaccurate. Or she read it and didn't believe it. I could make a case for all of those. And have. But they were all easier to argue before we found out that Cullen had been in Kirkwall the whole time, still a templar, part of the leadership, and still no one outside of Kirkwall knew what happened.

 

It always seemed to me that Kirkwall (and especially the Gallows) was regarded as infamous across Thedas, regardless of what table you sat at.

 

Outside mages seem to fear and regard it as a place of oppression, hardline members of the Templars seem to see it as the only place they are allowed to run things "properly", while the Chantry seems to look at the entire situation as a dirty stand on their institution they cannot seem to clean.

 

We know that the Chantry didn't have the best intelligence on the city, when it came to the threat of mages or how the Templars ran shop. Cass mentions that the reports the Seekers got from the city were "troubling", admits they should have investigated harder and that her order was prone to purposely withholding information from the Divine.

 

I suspect that's why Divine Justinia had to eventually send Leliana to investigate what was going on (as we saw in the Exiled Prince DLC), because it was the only way she could get an report of the situation that hadn't been whitewashed or redacted, given by someone she knew she could trust.

 

It's been a while since I played DA2 (need to rectify that), but didn't it get mentioned somewhere that Meredith was getting so paranoid by the end that she was checking people's correspondence, both mage and templar alike to search for blood mages or traitors? Did I just imagine that, does anyone know if I'm recalling that properly?

[Liadan]

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[Cerulione]

Well since no one has anything to say about Cullen I'll just spam you guys with quick sketch of my girl... I just love her so much...

 

Spoiler

If Summer and Winter ever had a child it would be Luthiel. Sweet summer child born in the harshest moment of winter.

 

[Sifr]

If you play a mage in DAO, there's an apprentice who says pretty much that. She loathes herself for being a mage and believes it's a punishment. In an ultimate irony, she's one of that small number of mage apprentices that Wynne managed to save when you return to Kinloch, sigh.

 

Keili definitely sold the idea why the Loyalist faction are often considered nothing more than "Chantry apologists" as Senior Enchanter Torrin mentions during the Mage Origin. It was a tad disturbing to hear that she thought they should let the Templars annul the Circle and potentially kill them all.

 

Even Cullen in the aftermath of the events of Broken Circle, when he was suffering from post-traumatic stress and fearful of all mages, would probably look at someone like Keili and think she was way too extreme.

[Tishina]

Keili definitely sold the idea why the Loyalist faction are often considered nothing more than "Chantry apologists" as Senior Enchanter Torrin mentions during the Mage Origin. It was a tad disturbing to hear that she thought they should let the Templars annul the Circle and potentially kill them all.

 

Even Cullen in the aftermath of the events of Broken Circle, when he was suffering from post-traumatic stress and fearful of all mages, would probably look at someone like Keili and think she was way too extreme.

Exactly. Thoroughly brainwashed to hate and fear herself...

[Ghost Gal]

So I know we said we wouldn't pick at what other people have said, but I just found this Dragon Age confession thingy, and it really confused me.

 

 

... Is this a thing? O.o

 

Is it even possible? I don't think Lavellan can even badmouth the Chantry to Cullen, the way you can to Cassandra or Leliana. I also don't remember any events where you could try to change his mind about any of it. Okay, you can choose to side with mages instead of Templars, but that's something any Inquisitor can do, for whatever reason. Sure, Cullen's moderately okay with it, but that's because he's already had his character development regarding mages. (Off-screen... between games.)

 

You can convince him not to take lyrium anymore, but, again, that's something that any Inquisitor can convince him to do, for whatever reason. And it doesn't have to be because, "I'm a Dalish who hates Templars and I want you to stop taking lyrium for me!" it can be interpreted as being for his own literal mental health. He seems pretty miserable if you convince him to take it again, and the romance de facto ends if you convince him to keep taking it. I guess you could argue it's a little... self-serving that some Cullenromancers had him stop taking lyrium only after they found out he dumps you otherwise. But again, that's something Lady Trevelyan can do too. And in-universe Cassandra herself firmly believes that Cullen not taking lyrium anymore is him symbolically breaking the chains that have bound him most of his life, and Cullen himself also seems to see it as breaking away from his leash and gaining some control over his life, so it's not exactly to his detriment that you get him to stop taking it.

 

I know you can't dampen his faith, since the aforementioned "prayer" scene only really lets you say encouraging things, even as Lavellan. The worst you can do is ask "How can you still have faith?" after you walk in, but that's asked very gently, and can be more interpreted as "How can you still have faith after all the bad things that have happened / can still happen"? And he takes it in stride; gently explaining that he always found comfort in simple faith. You can't put him down for it, or try to convince him otherwise. And, of course, Inquisitor Ladylove can pretty much only say mushy things after that, so that's in-game acceptance of his faith.

 

The absolute worst thing I can think of is Lavellan asking to give Dalish vows at their wedding. But, you know... they have a Chantry wedding, administered by a Chantry priest, in Val Royeaux, and Cullen's own wedding vows are to the Maker and Andraste. All she really does is ask to give Dalish vows in an otherwise Andrastian wedding. Heck, her own request is very respectful and accepting of Cullen's beliefs. "Reciting vows to the Maker... that means nothing to me. But I know you..." It isn't until he assures her that it's fine ("I want your promise to be true") that she goes through with it.

 

I also haven't even really seen any Cullavellan fan art (not that I collect a butt-ton of it or anything...   ) where a Lady Lavellan pushes her beliefs on Cullen. At worst she may act a little very elfy, like peppering her sentences with elven words or gods, wearing elven dresses at an Orlesian Ball, or putting flowers in his hair when he's not looking (that's a very elfy thing to do, is it not? ), but, really, again, Lavellan acting elfy herself isn't the same as forcing Cullen to give up his "humanity" or Andrastianism.

 

The only place I haven't looked is fanfiction territory. If there are a bunch of Cullavellan fans out there that write a bunch of stories where Lady Lavellan somehow coerces Cullen to give up his Andrastian beliefs and become an elf in human skin... well, they don't speak for the rest of us. Sorry. I don't know what else to say.

 

I just... had to ask. Has anyone seen anything like what this "Dragon Age Confessions" thingy describes?

[Cerulione]

During the wedding Lavellan says her blessing in elvhen, evoking Sylaise. Cullen swears to the Maker.

 

If that's not "let's respect each other's believe" Idk what is.

 

One of my girl's in a Cullavelan. Believe me I tried all convo options. I don't think that it's possible to disrespect each other's believe in any case.

[Tishina]

I just... had to ask.

We actually went through this already a few pages back; none of us could figure out what the person was talking about, and I'm not the only one to romance him with a Dalish mage, the most likely opportunity. As far as I know, you can't even criticize the Chantry to Cullen, only Meredith at one point. You can't really talk about elven beliefs to anyone, for that matter. However, it was also pointed out that the mods often frown on us bringing in stuff from other places to criticize so we agreed to let this one lie.

[Exile Isan]

The only thing I can think that would remotely fall into that would be if you have the scenes with Flemythal (Fade or at the Shrine) before the prayer scene with Cullen the Inquisitor can say she's seen a real goddess, to which Cullen asks that doesn't make my faith wrong or any less valid or words to that effect (I can't remember the exact quote). But that's as far as the conversation goes though, the rest is the same regardless of race. And I don't even know if only Lavellan has that dialog option or not, Trevelyan might be able to say the same thing. 

[Qun00]

Well, the developers can't possibly include or even imagine everything fans could want.

[CuriousArtemis]

There is absolutely nothing good about the Dragon Age Confessions blog (except possibly the people who run it; I'm sure they're lovely). I suggest unfollowing and ignoring

[R2s Muse]

It always seemed to me that Kirkwall (and especially the Gallows) was regarded as infamous across Thedas, regardless of what table you sat at.

 

Outside mages seem to fear and regard it as a place of oppression, hardline members of the Templars seem to see it as the only place they are allowed to run things "properly", while the Chantry seems to look at the entire situation as a dirty stand on their institution they cannot seem to clean.

 

We know that the Chantry didn't have the best intelligence on the city, when it came to the threat of mages or how the Templars ran shop. Cass mentions that the reports the Seekers got from the city were "troubling", admits they should have investigated harder and that her order was prone to purposely withholding information from the Divine.

 

I suspect that's why Divine Justinia had to eventually send Leliana to investigate what was going on (as we saw in the Exiled Prince DLC), because it was the only way she could get an report of the situation that hadn't been whitewashed or redacted, given by someone she knew she could trust.

 

It's been a while since I played DA2 (need to rectify that), but didn't it get mentioned somewhere that Meredith was getting so paranoid by the end that she was checking people's correspondence, both mage and templar alike to search for blood mages or traitors? Did I just imagine that, does anyone know if I'm recalling that properly?

Yeah, Kirkwall does seem infamous. I don't recall that part about checking people's correspondence, but it's been a while for me, too. I know she was stockpiling weapons in Act 3 for a conflict as part of that mage underground series of quests and she's killing anyone who helps escaped mages.  

[Cerulione]

I already blocked it for my mental health sake but tbh I see from time to another disturbing things that goes attacking real life races (attack to PoC) and towards LGBT community and that's... Disturbing. Some people react and some things really need to get strong reaction.

In one side I don't want to enter the thing since it's just too stressfull and block me in the head but sometime it's just impossible not to react.

On the other hand the fact that this kind of site exist (and need to exist) is also a sign that there are something very wrong with how fandom is O.o

[Cerulione]

...

 

The baby has just got her Vallaslin. Say hello, Luthiel.

 

[R2s Muse]

Snicker. More oblivious!Cullen explanations. I like this one.
 



 
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"the knight-captain must be new here because how ya gonna lock up a mage that could benchpress you in full armor"

[Aren]

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That is one of the  offspring from the dog of DAO!

[Aren]

During the wedding Lavellan says her blessing in elvhen, evoking Sylaise. Cullen swears to the Maker.

 

 

But Sylaise is evil(according to Solas which admittedly isn't so trustworthy to begin with)

[Cerulione]

Well we aren't in Middle Earth are we? Thedas is not so binary as in Good and Evil, Thedas is Grey Zone and multilayered. I don't believe we have something or someone simply Evil

Anyway what we know is from Solas post marriage moment, really at the end. With Cullen the relationship builds for years before the final convo with Solas. And Solas is one person and can be nuanced...

I don't think the Evanuris are inherently Evil. It's too simplisistic (spelling?). Even the best people can do bad decisions and be corrupted.

And don't forget, Lavellan grew up with Dalish believes all their life. What Solas says can qualify as either a heresy or a shock revelation.

[R2s Muse]

But Sylaise is evil(according to Solas which admittedly isn't so trustworthy to begin with)

 
 

Well we aren't in Middle Earth are we? Thedas is not so binary as in Good and Evil, Thedas is Grey Zone and multilayered. I don't believe we have something or someone simply Evil

Anyway what we know is from Solas post marriage moment, really at the end. With Cullen the relationship builds for years before the final convo with Solas. And Solas is one person and can be nuanced...

I don't think the Evanuris are inherently Evil. It's too simplisistic (spelling?). Even the best people can do bad decisions and be corrupted.

And don't forget, Lavellan grew up with Dalish believes all their life. What Solas says can qualify as either a heresy or a shock revelation.

Independent of what may be The Truth (with a questionmark on 'truth' as has been pointed out), as far as Lavellan is concerned, she's not invoking evil during her wedding. But I also think that's neither here nor there in terms of Cullen. I doubt invoking an Evanuris during their wedding was intended to turn him into an elvhen slave to the Cause^TM.

[R2s Muse]

http://lucydoesart.t...st/137577186392

[Tishina]

 
 Independent of what may be The Truth (with a questionmark on 'truth' as has been pointed out), as far as Lavellan is concerned, she's not invoking evil during her wedding. But I also think that's neither here nor there in terms of Cullen. I doubt invoking an Evanuris during their wedding was intended to turn him into an elvhen slave to the Cause^TM.

Exactly. Their vows were also exchanged in front of a Chantry priest, so if anything, the ceremony leaned toward human beliefs. I thought the blended wedding ceremony was well done (though I'd have preferred my Lavellan in a Dalish inspired dress rather than something overtly human.)

 

Whatever The Truth is, Dalish have adapted things like the vallaslin to create their own new culture. Cultures aren't static.

[CuriousArtemis]

Why is Sylaise an evil god? I'm not so familiar with the stories of each god.

[Fadburger]

Would Lavellan even know? I mean they get married before you find Solas and he explains about the Evanuris. As far as Lavellan would be concerned, at that point, the Elvhen gods are whatever she was brought up to beleive they are. Not the dirty truth.