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[Tishina]

 
 Independent of what may be The Truth (with a questionmark on 'truth' as has been pointed out), as far as Lavellan is concerned, she's not invoking evil during her wedding. But I also think that's neither here nor there in terms of Cullen. I doubt invoking an Evanuris during their wedding was intended to turn him into an elvhen slave to the Cause^TM.

Exactly. Their vows were also exchanged in front of a Chantry priest, so if anything, the ceremony leaned toward human beliefs. I thought the blended wedding ceremony was well done (though I'd have preferred my Lavellan in a Dalish inspired dress rather than something overtly human.)

 

Whatever The Truth is, Dalish have adapted things like the vallaslin to create their own new culture. Cultures aren't static.

[CuriousArtemis]

Why is Sylaise an evil god? I'm not so familiar with the stories of each god.

[Fadburger]

Would Lavellan even know? I mean they get married before you find Solas and he explains about the Evanuris. As far as Lavellan would be concerned, at that point, the Elvhen gods are whatever she was brought up to beleive they are. Not the dirty truth. 

[Cerulione]

Would Lavellan even know? I mean they get married before you find Solas and he explains about the Evanuris. As far as Lavellan would be concerned, at that point, the Elvhen gods are whatever she was brought up to beleive they are. Not the dirty truth. 

 

That's my point. During the marriage it's before Conversation with Solas TM.

 

I don't think we can qualify anyone "Evil" really. I mean look at 2 games we hears of Fen Harel as the Ultimately Bad Guy TM. And we have one who hates tea, have spots on his face, burnt his coat once, believe in his truth so much, break his own heart, love helping refugees, and wish to destroy the world. Probably still Bad Guy TM but look at all the nuances...

[Fadburger]

That's my point. During the marriage it's before Conversation with Solas TM.

 

I don't think we can qualify anyone "Evil" really. I mean look at 2 games we hears of Fen Harel as the Ultimately Bad Guy TM. And we have one who hates tea, have spots on his face, burnt his coat once, believe in his truth so much, break his own heart, love helping refugees, and wish to destroy the world. Probably still Bad Guy TM but look at all the nuances...

 

Yup, yup~

 

Yeah I mean...the road to hell is paved in good intentions and whatnot. I don't think he is evil, persay, just did the wrong things for the right reasons and set off a chain of disastrous events that literally caused every major bad thing in "today's" Thedas.

[Cerulione]

Yup, yup~

 

Yeah I mean...the road to hell is paved in good intentions and whatnot. I don't think he is evil, persay, just did the wrong things for the right reasons and set off a chain of disastrous events that literally caused every major bad thing in "today's" Thedas.

 

We don't even get the whole story about how it all happened :3

 

So how can we judge Sylaise... Really she's presented as one of the gentler one probably? Goddess of Hearth, to the comparison of Elgarnan's God of Fengeance & Falon'Din's less sympathetic representation and lustful Andruil...

[Fadburger]

We don't even get the whole story about how it all happened :3

 

So how can we judge Sylaise... Really she's presented as one of the gentler one probably? Goddess of Hearth, to the comparison of Elgarnan's God of Fengeance & Falon'Din's less sympathetic representation and lustful Andruil...

 

Indeed...for all we know they were the good guys and Fen'Harel shut them away for some reason while making himself look good...we are hearing all this from him after all.

[Cerulione]

Indeed...for all we know they were the good guys and Fen'Harel shut them away for some reason while making himself look good...we are hearing all this from him after all.

 

I'm a huge Solavellan fans and I still can't stop thinking, Solas' might be quite skewed in term of point of view... Although he believes he's doing good actually... O.o

[Fadburger]

I'm a huge Solavellan fans and I still can't stop thinking, Solas' might be quite skewed in term of point of view... Although he believes he's doing good actually... O.o

 

Yeah I am sure HE thinks he's doing the right thing haha

[R2s Muse]

 
 

cute-ellyna:

Daises
Relaxing, quiet, quality time (◡‿◡✿)

Staying like this is something I really love to do with my boyfriend, especially now that spring is coming: it makes the world feel so calm and beautiful… I could spend hours like this. And of course I thought Cullen and my Inquizzy would totally do the same and love it as much as I do

[meanieweenie]

 
 
Independent of what may be The Truth (with a questionmark on 'truth' as has been pointed out), as far as Lavellan is concerned, she's not invoking evil during her wedding. But I also think that's neither here nor there in terms of Cullen. I doubt invoking an Evanuris during their wedding was intended to turn him into an elvhen slave to the Cause^TM.

Am I the only one twisted enough to think this would make a helluva short fic? LOL

[Qun00]

I must say, Cullen x Mage Inquisitor simply is the best. I can just imagine them together in a beautiful spot in the forest:

"Inquisitor: I know what you are.

Cullen: Say it. Out loud. Say it!

Inquisitor: Templar.

Cullen: Are you afraid?

Inquisitor: No. "

[R2s Muse]

I must say, Cullen x Mage Inquisitor simply is the best. I can just imagine them together in a beautiful spot in the forest:

"Inquisitor: I know what you are.

Cullen: Say it. Out loud. Say it!

Inquisitor: Templar.

Cullen: Are you afraid?

Inquisitor: No. "

:sputter: OMG, I was drinking my coffee just now thankyouverymuch! bwahahahaha!!

All I have to say to that is:

[CuriousArtemis]

Oh... is that a Twilight reference?

[Ghost Gal]

Thanks for answering, all. I'm sorry I risked the devs' disapproval to share that, I just had to know, "I'm not crazy, right? Is there some glaringly huge portion of Lavellan players that tried to change Cullen to be more 'elfy' that I'm not aware of?"

 

[snip]
 

cute-ellyna:

Daises
Relaxing, quiet, quality time (◡‿◡✿)

Staying like this is something I really love to do with my boyfriend, especially now that spring is coming: it makes the world feel so calm and beautiful… I could spend hours like this. And of course I thought Cullen and my Inquizzy would totally do the same and love it as much as I do

 

This is too precious for words. 

 

While Solas is still my favorite, one of the reasons I like Cullen so dang much is the freedom to headcanon tons of really sweet, relaxing, romantic moments like this. With Solas you have the threat of the Breach or the Elder One looming over your heads until the moment the latter is defeated, then he runs off. Cullen sticks around, so you've got literally two years after the danger has passed to imagine them just spending time together, being happy, and enjoying romantic time-well-wasted moments. 

 

Plus, as someone who doesn't loathe the Dalish, it's nice to headcanon my Dalish gal spending time with a loved one who doesn't badmouth her culture every chance he gets. 

[R2s Muse]

Oh... is that a Twilight reference?

LOL Yeah, it's from one of more infamous scenes, particularly how they staged it in the movie. 
 

 
Of course, Cullen - Twilight refs aren't new, but hee hee, this one particularly tickles me. The notion that being a templar would be a big bad dark secret just makes me laugh.

[Mistic]

Plus, as someone who doesn't loathe the Dalish, it's nice to headcanon my Dalish gal spending time with a loved one who doesn't badmouth her culture every chance he gets. 

 

One of the things that surprised me more when I role-played a Dalish Inquisitor was how respectful Cullen can be towards pagan characters. It's especially noticeable in Haven.

 

Cullen is a devout believer in the Maker, still follows the Chantry and it's evident he believes the Inquisitor is the Herald of Andraste, but he never judges or berates the PC for their religion, never expects them to share the same views, never tries to convert or convince them to change their ways. When the whole "Herald of Andraste" thing is mentioned for the first time, he's the one (the only one) to ask the PC about what they feel and is always more worried about the Inquisitor's safety than about any propaganda scheme. Him being totally okay with Dalish vows in the wedding is in character and the icing on the cake.

 

And it's not as if every other character was the same. Thankfully, Bioware provided many points of view. From Cassandra's "there's no room among your gods for one more?" to Mother Giselle trying (very kindly and politely) to convert you, from Sera breaking up with a Dalish Inquisitor that doesn't agree with her to the aforementioned Dalish vows in Cullen's wedding, from trying to deny being the Herald to embracing the role and judge in the name of the Maker, every character and every Inquisitor had their own opinion on the matter.

[Cerulione]

Thanks for answering, all. I'm sorry I risked the devs' disapproval to share that, I just had to know, "I'm not crazy, right? Is there some glaringly huge portion of Lavellan players that tried to change Cullen to be more 'elfy' that I'm not aware of?"

 

 

This is too precious for words. 

 

While Solas is still my favorite, one of the reasons I like Cullen so dang much is the freedom to headcanon tons of really sweet, relaxing, romantic moments like this. With Solas you have the threat of the Breach or the Elder One looming over your heads until the moment the latter is defeated, then he runs off. Cullen sticks around, so you've got literally two years after the danger has passed to imagine them just spending time together, being happy, and enjoying romantic time-well-wasted moments. 

 

Plus, as someone who doesn't loathe the Dalish, it's nice to headcanon my Dalish gal spending time with a loved one who doesn't badmouth her culture every chance he gets. 

 

Basically this!!!

[CuriousArtemis]

 
While Solas is still my favorite, one of the reasons I like Cullen so dang much is the freedom to headcanon tons of really sweet, relaxing, romantic moments like this. :

Hey they had a fade date / dream date in the fic I wrote Really though that's the beauty of headcanon. Heck Ceru and I have sibling inquisitor headcanons Cause why not!

To me Cullen doesn't get interesting until the marriage proposal. My brain immediately went "RELATIONSHIP DRAMZ!" And if I ever get around to continue that fic I started I'll have to remember to actually include some plot with that dramz

[Ghost Gal]

One of the things that surprised me more when I role-played a Dalish Inquisitor was how respectful Cullen can be towards pagan characters. It's especially noticeable in Haven.

 

Cullen is a devout believer in the Maker, still follows the Chantry and it's evident he believes the Inquisitor is the Herald of Andraste, but he never judges or berates the PC for their religion, never expects them to share the same views, never tries to convert or convince them to change their ways. When the whole "Herald of Andraste" thing is mentioned for the first time, he's the one (the only one) to ask the PC about what they feel and is always more worried about the Inquisitor's safety than about any propaganda scheme. Him being totally okay with Dalish vows in the wedding is in character and the icing on the cake.

 

And it's not as if every other character was the same. Thankfully, Bioware provided many points of view. From Cassandra's "there's no room among your gods for one more?" to Mother Giselle trying (very kindly and politely) to convert you, from Sera breaking up with a Dalish Inquisitor that doesn't agree with her to the aforementioned Dalish vows in Cullen's wedding, from trying to deny being the Herald to embracing the role and judge in the name of the Maker, every character and every Inquisitor had their own opinion on the matter.

 

Yeah, I was rather surprised to learn that BioWare made the Tevinter Magister's son and Andrastian holy warriors (Cassandra, Cullen, and to a lesser extent Leliana) more accepting and open-minded about the Dalish than our two elven companions. I guess it was for some tastefully subtle message that sometimes people not part of an oppressed minority can be more sympathetic to your cause than fellow members of said minority (same with Bull to Adaar), but eh. To this day I'm still holding out for that "elfy" romance where said elven companion doesn't disavow all elven culture (the only elven companion thus far who doesn't distance themself from other elves is Merrill, and you can only romance her as a human  ), but it looks like I'll wait a long time yet.

 

For now, Solas and Cullen are awesome. Maybe it makes me a bad person, but my Dalish elves tend to prejudge Andrastian humans as intolerant of mages, elves, and pagans, especially Andrastian priests and Templars. One of the things I like about the Cullen romance is being able to headcanon my girl starting out distrusting him for being a former Templar, then getting to know him, learning how kind and open-minded he is, and learning to be more accepting and open-minded herself.

 

Some people take issue with his lyrium quest since it involves the PC "fixing" a love interest instead of you two supporting each other, but I don't think that's strictly true. Like you said, he's probably the only companion or adviser who asks how you're feeling and doesn't ever pressure you to live up to propaganda schemes, so you have his full and undivided military and moral support. (Even Dorian, the only other companion/adviser who asks how you're doing, still worries about your image--like how it would look for the Herald of Andraste to befriend a Tevinter mage like him.) 

 

I'd like to think that Cullen helped free her from the mental bonds of subconscious prejudice by being kind and supportive, so she returned the favor by helping to free him from his lyrium leash by being kind and supportive. I like to head-canon that it was a trade-off, not a one-sided, "I fix you, then you reward me with sex."

 

Hey they had a fade date / dream date in the fic I wrote Really though that's the beauty of headcanon. Heck Ceru and I have sibling inquisitor headcanons Cause why not!

To me Cullen doesn't get interesting until the marriage proposal. My brain immediately went "RELATIONSHIP DRAMZ!" And if I ever get around to continue that fic I started I'll have to remember to actually include some plot with that dramz

 

That's true, there's a lot of room to interpret them having a lot of dream dates.

 

Between the in-game ability for my character to talk to him any time at Haven or Skyhold and take him anywhere in the game, I imagine that my gal spent every waking moment she could with Solas, and then dreamed with him after she learned Fade-walking at Skyhold. I actually headcanon that they spent so much time together that she eventually became mentally exhausted--not from lack of sleep, but lack of being able to rest her brain since she was essentially "conscious" all the time. Eventually even Solas had to tell her that she needed rest... cue her taking a nap in the Fade by sleeping with her head propped up on his shoulders while they rest under a tree on a lovely summer's day. 

[CuriousArtemis]

Eventually even Solas had to tell her that she needed rest... cue her taking a nap in the Fade by sleeping with her head propped up on his shoulders while they rest under a tree on a lovely summer's day. 

 

What a precious image! 

[thats1evildude]

Eccch, Deviantart user. Draw your Cullen/Dorian fanart if you like, but "pregnant Doria" is gross and awful.

[Fadburger]

 

I'd like to think that Cullen helped free her from the mental bonds of subconscious prejudice by being kind and supportive, so she returned the favor by helping to free him from his lyrium leash by being kind and supportive. I like to head-canon that it was a trade-off, not a one-sided, "I fix you, then you reward me with sex."

 

 

Yeah, I get more of the feeling that your relationship has just progressed to the level where they have sex rather than it's a reward or anything...just that now you've seen him at his worst and helped him be the man he wants to be...you're closer and thus the natural progression is that you are at the stage of your relationship where intimacy is good/right.

 

EDIT: I mean he won't stay with you if he goes back on the lyrium either. He wants your support in his quitting the lyrium, perhaps one of the reasons he breaks it off with you if you tell him to keep taking it is that he feels you aren't nurturing what is best for him, as a person, but rather using him as a tool just as he was as a Templar in the circle. Even if you lie to him and say you'll find a way to cure him of his addiction after everything is over, it's not happily after...and not a healthy relationship IMO..you lied to him, he doesn't get cured. 

ANYWAY the point is I think he HOPES you will help him cure his lyrium addiction, after all he didn't start going cold turkey on it because of your relationship with him and your compliance with those hopes of his and your caring about him as a person rather than being cold and professional and letting him be able to focus better at his detriment is what he wants, and drives forward your relationship with him.

 

Sorry that was rambling, I hope that made some sense lol

[Mistic]

Yeah, I was rather surprised to learn that BioWare made the Tevinter Magister's son and Andrastian holy warriors (Cassandra, Cullen, and to a lesser extent Leliana) more accepting and open-minded about the Dalish than our two elven companions. I guess it was for some tastefully subtle message that sometimes people not part of an oppressed minority can be more sympathetic to your cause than fellow members of said minority (same with Bull to Adaar), but eh.

 

I actually welcome it. Discussions about elves, both in and out universe, tend to abuse the No True Scotsman fallacy, so Bioware providing several characters that defy elven stereotypes and don't even agree on what being an elf means (try to have Zevran, Merrill, Fenris, Solas and Sera agree on an elven manifiesto) adds more variety and challenges the player's preconceived notions. It's role-playing gold.

 

Some people take issue with his lyrium quest since it involves the PC "fixing" a love interest instead of you two supporting each other, but I don't think that's strictly true. Like you said, he's probably the only companion or adviser who asks how you're feeling and doesn't ever pressure you to live up to propaganda schemes, so you have his full and undivided military and moral support. (Even Dorian, the only other companion/adviser who asks how you're doing, still worries about your image--like how it would look for the Herald of Andraste to befriend a Tevinter mage like him.)

 

I see where that issue may come from, but I don't share it. I would understand it if it was a romance-only content, and in that case I would agree Bioware went for the "fix your love interest" route. But the lyrium quest is available for all Inquisitors regardless their personal relationship with Cullen, so the tone is more "What kind of boss are you? One who wants soldiers ready for Corypheus no matter the price or one who cares for their subordinates' wellbeing? Is Cullen a tool or a friend to you?".

 

I read it as a way to measure and role-play your Inquisitor's level of coldness and/or selfishness. What lyrium addiction can do to a person is awful. It's the worst kind of a drug, a poison, not a personal point of view or a character flaw that has to be "corrected". The later would certainly be insulting to Cullen's character, but it isn't what happens. The initial idea to try to give up lyrium? Cullen's. The professional help? Cassandra's. The Inquisitor is there just to provide minor but key support in one way or another.

[R2s Muse]

EDIT: I mean he won't stay with you if he goes back on the lyrium either. He wants your support in his quitting the lyrium, perhaps one of the reasons he breaks it off with you if you tell him to keep taking it is that he feels you aren't nurturing what is best for him, as a person, but rather using him as a tool just as he was as a Templar in the circle. Even if you lie to him and say you'll find a way to cure him of his addiction after everything is over, it's not happily after...and not a healthy relationship IMO..you lied to him, he doesn't get cured.

Just to point out here, I've heard a lot of really detailed reasons from fans who romanced him and chose to find another way, and they were not lying to him. At that point in the game, it was not clear whether or not it would work out in the end. There are lots of ways to role play that, and that option does not strictly mean the IQ is selfish, cold or deceptive.