And most people who told him they'd find another way headcannoned that it was sincere. And it appears to work out and he has the same ending as supporting him to continue without lyrium.
He has? I know there's a later scene in which the Inquisitor has more choices related to Cullen's taking lyrium again, but I admit I didn't explore each and every one of the variations, so I'm curious.
For those who've not seen it yet, this video is hilarious.
Especially 0:46, because yeah... that was all our reactions during that scene.
These videos are the best. Bioware is the best lol.
Have you seen there is a new one too?
I find the video hard to watch for some reason... I dunno. It either seems fake or these people have issues 
But also I don't think I've ever had a negative response to a Dragon Age "emotional" situation. I've had some super happy ones with Fenris. OH I suppose there was the time the game forced me to sleep with Morrigan OR DIE. Yes there was that lol
EDIT: Oh some of them mentioned Mass Effect; definitely had plenty emotional reactions to that game.
I find the video hard to watch for some reason... I dunno. It either seems fake or these people have issues
But also I don't think I've ever had a negative response to a Dragon Age "emotional" situation. I've had some super happy ones with Fenris. OH I suppose there was the time the game forced me to sleep with Morrigan OR DIE. Yes there was that lol
EDIT: Oh some of them mentioned Mass Effect; definitely had plenty emotional reactions to that game.
To be fair Fenris gives some DAMN GOOD squishy warm feels haha, what a great LI I love him so much 
Yeah ME is definitely full of the Feels. With the capital F lol. I love it so much but it also hurt me like none other haha
To be fair Fenris gives some DAMN GOOD squishy warm feels haha, what a great LI I love him so much
Yeah ME is definitely full of the Feels. With the capital F lol. I love it so much but it also hurt me like none other haha
No game has made me cry so much!!! Even playing ME3 first and knowing none of the characters... still bawled at the end.
He has? I know there's a later scene in which the Inquisitor has more choices related to Cullen's taking lyrium again, but I admit I didn't explore each and every one of the variations, so I'm curious.
They aren't terribly explicit, but to all appearances, he can start taking lyrium again, then between the end of the vanilla game and Trespasser, he apparently goes off it successfully again because he doesn't have the physical deterioration that he does when he's told to just take lyrium. You get the "Cullen sets up to help other Templars quit lyrium" just as if he never started taking it again. I'm not sure where the idea that he fails to go back off lyrium if you tell him to retake it temporarily comes from since it has no basis in actual PTs.
As R2 pointed out, when the game first released, a lot of people agonized over the decision for fear that staying off lyrium would kill him, and even knowing the outcome, I imagine a lot of people still headcannon that their inquisitor would believe he'd die (that's how RPing works for a lot of people, deciding how their particular PC would act without that metaknowledge.) I think a good comparison to this choice, though, is Alexius and his son. He was willing to sacrifice the world to save his son (and failed anyway.) Choosing to gamble on Cullen being able to quit a second time (and he volunteered for the Inquisition and CHOSE to put himself at risk and offers to go back on lyrium for the sake of the Inquisition) is not using him. It's deciding that the risk to the entire world is too great. Everyone in the Inquisition, even Solas, is presumably ready to risk their lives.
Mind you, I'm playing devil's advocate here. All of my Inquisitors so far, particularly the romances, have trusted Cass's judgment and taken the risk of telling him to remain off lyrium, preferring to honor his choice even though some of them believed it would probably kill him. Including my dwarven warrior who chose the Templar spec, gambling that her dwarven resistance would allow her to quit more easily.
These videos are the best. Bioware is the best lol.
Have you seen there is a new one too?
The new one was good as well... but Mark Meer, how could you do that to Mordin, even as RenShep! 
I find the video hard to watch for some reason... I dunno. It either seems fake or these people have issues
But also I don't think I've ever had a negative response to a Dragon Age "emotional" situation. I've had some super happy ones with Fenris. OH I suppose there was the time the game forced me to sleep with Morrigan OR DIE. Yes there was that lol
EDIT: Oh some of them mentioned Mass Effect; definitely had plenty emotional reactions to that game.
Dragon Age has got to me a couple of times.
I find the death of the Couslands and Hawke's mother super-depressing to play through, the Solas romance nearly broke me the first time I saw the break-up scene, while the entire Fade sequence in Inquisition was rage-inducing because I sat there the entire time mumbling under my breath;
"No, I always have to pick the Warden-ally to sacrifice... there is not an option to leave Hawke behind. The text on the screen is just Nightmare trying to screw with me. Seriously, do not even joke to me about killing off Hawke, because if you do that game, I will break you!" 
No game has made me cry so much!!! Even playing ME3 first and knowing none of the characters... still bawled at the end.
Yeah I cried at the end of ME3, it was intense man x_X Soooo intense. I've never felt like that with a game before haha. Or anything really. That's why although I would say I think/discuss/obsess more over DA at least at the moment...ME is special to me in ways nothing else ever will be. Just got me right down to the soul lol. Actually I consider myself more of a SciFi fan anyway, DA is the unusual one for me lol.
The new one was good as well... but Mark Meer, how could you do that to Mordin, even as RenShep!
Dragon Age has got to me a couple of times.
I find the death of the Couslands and Hawke's mother super-depressing to play through, the Solas romance nearly broke me the first time I saw the break-up scene, while the entire Fade sequence in Inquisition was rage-inducing because I sat there the entire time mumbling under my breath;
"No, I always have to pick the Warden-ally to sacrifice... there is not an option to leave Hawke behind. The text on the screen is just Nightmare trying to screw with me. Seriously, do not even joke to me about killing off Hawke, because if you do that game, I will break you!"
Yeah Mark Meer saying that he shot Mordin I was like...who can relate to that...who does that??? You're terrible xD. I love Mark Meer but that's definitely a choice I raise an eyebrow at lol
Yeah I mean DA is definitely very full of emotion for me...I haven't cried yet but it is. A lot of it for me is stuff that happens outside of the game or in lore...like all my Theirin feels, the only BIG one you see in the game is Return to Ostagar (poor Cailan...) and maybe at the end if you are a female warden and become Alistair's queen and they briefly discuss needing an heir. Oh and talking to Fiona in Skyhold where she asks about Alistiar if he is king...and then disappears if you left him in the fade...
Hawke's mother's death did effect me, it made me sick in anger! I pitied her so much too...but I wasn't sad, I didn't like her...she judges you so hard for being in a romance with Fenris it pissed me off...I felt more sad for the method of her death and for how it effected Hawke emotionally but my connection to Leandra wasn't very strong.
I started a world state/playthrough of DAI before I played DA2 because I wanted to see Warden Alistair...so unthinking I made it for the first time a female Hawke who happened to be romancing Fenris (he was always the romance option I had in my world states). Now that I've played DA2 as a female Hawke who romances Fenris ...and I have to choose between her and Alistair *cries*
Needless to say I am avoiding that playthrough for now lol and doing the one I made with my perfect world state and the Inquisitor I have as my avatar right now...I would start a new one for Warden Alistair but I like how my Inquisitor came out and I already started it so I don't want to start it over again :X I'll just make a really weird looking Hawke and play some loud music at the "Sorry Fenris" >.>;;;;;;;;;
I find the death of the Couslands and Hawke's mother super-depressing to play through, the Solas romance nearly broke me the first time I saw the break-up scene, while the entire Fade sequence in Inquisition was rage-inducing because I sat there the entire time mumbling under my breath;
"No, I always have to pick the Warden-ally to sacrifice... there is not an option to leave Hawke behind. The text on the screen is just Nightmare trying to screw with me. Seriously, do not even joke to me about killing off Hawke, because if you do that game, I will break you!"
Wow, Mark Meer, you monster
Oh yes the Solas romance did make me cry, but since it isn't canon I don't include it.
As for the Hawke or whomever scenario, it was Mr. Mustache Guy both times so was a super throwaway decision for me. The first time I encountered I actually just stared at my screen incredulously for several seconds because I could tell this was supposed to be an Important Decision and yet it was laughable. HAWKE, a character I adore and have actually played hmmmm like 20 times at this point, OR Mr. Random Dude I meet for five seconds in DA2?? Sooo haaaard
Yeah I cried at the end of ME3, it was intense man x_X Soooo intense. I've never felt like that with a game before haha. Or anything really. That's why although I would say I think/discuss/obsess more over DA at least at the moment...ME is special to me in ways nothing else ever will be. Just got me right down to the soul lol. Actually I consider myself more of a SciFi fan anyway, DA is the unusual one for me lol.
Yeah same. I'm way more into sci-fi at least for video games? I was a big fantasy person growing up; read fantasy novels voraciously. But Dragon Age hasn't impressed me with its world-building in the way Mass Effect has. Dragon Age could be the setting for any run of the mill fantasy adventure story with a young male hero who goes on a quest to blah blah blah been there seen it/read it all before.
For those who've not seen it yet, this video is hilarious.
Especially 0:46, because yeah... that was all our reactions during that scene.
The woman who romanced Solas and left Hawke in the Fade because "The Warden loves Alistair!" is my gal. 
The only thing I feel differently about is that I don't feel like Hawke is "me" and I felt no qualms about sacrificing her... until Varric ran up asking, "Where's Hawke?" Broke my heart.
I find the video hard to watch for some reason... I dunno. It either seems fake or these people have issues
That's what makes it so funny to me.
I find the video hard to watch for some reason... I dunno. It either seems fake or these people have issues
I'm glad someone else said it... I have plenty of emotional reactions to the Dragon Age games, but I just didn't find these videos at all funny. I dunno. I feel like there's some inside joke I'm missing, because the things they said I've seen fans say IRL a billion times, so where's the joke? Like... I keep wondering if I'm supposed to know who all the actors are, and that was supposed to make it funny because it's the voice actors saying these things about their own characters or something? But Meer was the only one I recognized. :shrug:
I love that Bioware does that sort of thing, but these ones just... meh fell flat for me.
As for the Hawke or whomever scenario, it was Mr. Mustache Guy both times so was a super throwaway decision for me. The first time I encountered I actually just stared at my screen incredulously for several seconds because I could tell this was supposed to be an Important Decision and yet it was laughable. HAWKE, a character I adore and have actually played hmmmm like 20 times at this point, OR Mr. Random Dude I meet for five seconds in DA2?? Sooo haaaard
Yeah same. I'm way more into sci-fi at least for video games? I was a big fantasy person growing up; read fantasy novels voraciously. But Dragon Age hasn't impressed me with its world-building in the way Mass Effect has. Dragon Age could be the setting for any run of the mill fantasy adventure story with a young male hero who goes on a quest to blah blah blah been there seen it/read it all before.
Yeah Stroud is so easy to leave in the fade haha... poor guy, he never had a chance...
As for SciFi as a kid I read just about everything haha...now I am the same, I like almost any kind of (imo) well written fiction. I just find that I gravitate more to SciFi visual media: ME, Star Trek, Star Wars, etc. I went through a LOTR phase when the movies first came out but it wasn't lasting and my BFF was always the "elf fan" and liked Fantasy more haha. Fenris was my first elf love 
but at least I can talk to her at length about how most fanfic authors seem to have an "ear thing" haha xD She understands, she's been going through this for years lol
I'm glad someone else said it... I have plenty of emotional reactions to the Dragon Age games, but I just didn't find these videos at all funny. I dunno. I feel like there's some inside joke I'm missing, because the things they said I've seen fans say IRL a billion times, so where's the joke? Like... I keep wondering if I'm supposed to know who all the actors are, and that was supposed to make it funny because it's the voice actors saying these things about their own characters or something? But Meer was the only one I recognized. :shrug:
I love that Bioware does that sort of thing, but these ones just... meh fell flat for me.
I thought it's one of those "funny because it's true" things where you relate to what they are saying and you're like "haha yep, same". Also they are mostly just Bioware employees not actors, other than Mark Meer of course. I mean I've liked their other videos better but yeah.
They aren't terribly explicit, but to all appearances, he can start taking lyrium again, then between the end of the vanilla game and Trespasser, he apparently goes off it successfully again because he doesn't have the physical deterioration that he does when he's told to just take lyrium. You get the "Cullen sets up to help other Templars quit lyrium" just as if he never started taking it again. I'm not sure where the idea that he fails to go back off lyrium if you tell him to retake it temporarily comes from since it has no basis in actual PTs.
As R2 pointed out, when the game first released, a lot of people agonized over the decision for fear that staying off lyrium would kill him, and even knowing the outcome, I imagine a lot of people still headcannon that their inquisitor would believe he'd die (that's how RPing works for a lot of people, deciding how their particular PC would act without that metaknowledge.) I think a good comparison to this choice, though, is Alexius and his son. He was willing to sacrifice the world to save his son (and failed anyway.) Choosing to gamble on Cullen being able to quit a second time (and he volunteered for the Inquisition and CHOSE to put himself at risk and offers to go back on lyrium for the sake of the Inquisition) is not using him. It's deciding that the risk to the entire world is too great. Everyone in the Inquisition, even Solas, is presumably ready to risk their lives.
Mind you, I'm playing devil's advocate here. All of my Inquisitors so far, particularly the romances, have trusted Cass's judgment and taken the risk of telling him to remain off lyrium, preferring to honor his choice even though some of them believed it would probably kill him. Including my dwarven warrior who chose the Templar spec, gambling that her dwarven resistance would allow her to quit more easily.
Yeah, this. Particularly the point about role playing. For some players, it only matters what your character knows, and there are lots of ways to play the lyrium choice depending on who your IQ is. So I just don't think it's as black and white as whether the IQ cares about Cullen's well being more or less than the well being of the Inquisition.
I've actually not paid much attention to whether the "we'll find a solution" leads to a happy outcome so that's good to know. The wiki only lists it for continuing the Inquisition and without romance. I assume it has a good outcome either way? Someone should add that in.
I thought it's one of those "funny because it's true" things where you relate to what they are saying and you're like "haha yep, same". Also they are mostly just Bioware employees not actors, other than Mark Meer of course. I mean I've liked their other videos better but yeah.
Maybe that's it. Hmm. Still... head scratching to me. Ah well. Potaytoh, potahtoh. I'm glad others enjoyed them.
I'm glad someone else said it...
Well my friend that's what I'm here for. you can always count on me to blurt out whatever it is I'm thinking without considering the repercussions first!
Yeah Stroud is so easy to leave in the fade haha... poor guy, he never had a chance...
He does for my beau and I. We always spare him and never think twice about it.
(My beau because he's a casual DA player who just found Stroud more likeable, myself because I never liked DA2 or Hawke.)
Yeah, this. Particularly the point about role playing. For some players, it only matters what your character knows, and there are lots of ways to play the lyrium choice depending on who your IQ is. So I just don't think it's as black and white as whether the IQ cares about Cullen's well being more or less than the well being of the Inquisition.
I've actually not paid much attention to whether the "we'll find a solution" leads to a happy outcome so that's good to know. The wiki only lists it for continuing the Inquisition and without romance. I assume it has a good outcome either way? Someone should add that in.
Yeah, that's part of what I like about DA games. BioWare leaves things blank enough (unless you're Hawke) that you can roleplay why your character says or does a number of things they do, but I also like how characters might interpret it differently.
For example, with hindsight on my side I realized that Cullen wants to go off lyrium to better himself, and the only reason he falters is because he's afraid he'll be of less use to the Inquisition. Regardless of your internal reasons, if you tell him to stay the course he interprets it as you supporting his effort to better himself, and he appreciates it. Even if your internal reasons are very noble or altruistic (save him from dying, hope to help him kick it later, etc), when you tell him to go back on lyrium, he interprets it as you saying, "You're right, you should put the good of the Inquisition above your well-being," and he kind of resents it. Even if he agrees with you, he's skill kind of bitter and kind of regrets it. And if you're in a romance, well--again, regardless of internal reasoning, he doesn't want to be with a gal who says he should put the good of the many before his own well-being.
In a way I like it because what we mean when we say something is now how it comes out. But on the other hand, I kind of like how this game encourages people to be mindful of how our words sound to companions. For example, the aforementioned Cullen situation, and how he might feel that, "Okay, if I'm supposed to put my personal feelings aside for the good of the Inquisiton, then we shouldn't be together either since that's a distraction from helping the Inquisition." Or the Iron Bull: by telling him to sacrifice the Chargers for the good of retaining his ties to the Qun, from his perspective you're basically telling him that his individual feelings and relationships outside the Qun don't matter and that he should put the loyalty of the Qun above all else. Then people get surprised when it applies to them and their relationship. =/
I don't know, just my take on it. I know it's not black-and-white, but I do find it kind of fascinating how our characters might mean one thing but the characters could realistically hear it differently.
I'm glad someone else said it... I have plenty of emotional reactions to the Dragon Age games, but I just didn't find these videos at all funny. I dunno. I feel like there's some inside joke I'm missing, because the things they said I've seen fans say IRL a billion times, so where's the joke? Like... I keep wondering if I'm supposed to know who all the actors are, and that was supposed to make it funny because it's the voice actors saying these things about their own characters or something? But Meer was the only one I recognized. :shrug:
I love that Bioware does that sort of thing, but these ones just... meh fell flat for me.
It kinda feels like they're making fun of fan experiences, mocking them. And that's not very nice, is it Precious?
Edit to note my badges. Holy smokes! I had just the one for DA2 for the longest time. But I've since bought Jade Empire (again) and DAO (again) and, of course there's Inquisition... I just didn't think they'd auto-sync. I bought JE and DAO online for PC but I did use the same email as my PSN and BSN. And PSN registers DAI for PSN.... crikey! That's surreal!
Yeah, this. Particularly the point about role playing. For some players, it only matters what your character knows, and there are lots of ways to play the lyrium choice depending on who your IQ is. So I just don't think it's as black and white as whether the IQ cares about Cullen's well being more or less than the well being of the Inquisition.
I've actually not paid much attention to whether the "we'll find a solution" leads to a happy outcome so that's good to know. The wiki only lists it for continuing the Inquisition and without romance. I assume it has a good outcome either way? Someone should add that in.
When Trespasser came out, several people who'd taken the "temporary" option commented that they got the same ending as those who told him to stay off of it. Didn't MelissaGT take that option on one of her Templar Cullenmancers?
Well my friend that's what I'm here for. you can always count on me to blurt out whatever it is I'm thinking without considering the repercussions first!
LOL
It kinda feels like they're making fun of fan experiences, mocking them. And that's not very nice, is it Precious?
Edit to note my badges. Holy smokes! I had just the one for DA2 for the longest time. But I've since bought Jade Empire (again) and DAO (again) and, of course there's Inquisition... I just didn't think they'd auto-sync. I bought JE and DAO online for PC but I did use the same email as my PSN and BSN. And PSN registers DAI for PSN.... crikey! That's surreal!
Hey, you! :tackle hug:
aaaaand, you're now channeling the response I typed... and deleted. Yeah, yet another Bioware tradition: flirting terribly close with outright mocking the fans for their reactions.
(and yeah, the badges have just exploded of late; but hey, they're working!)
When Trespasser came out, several people who'd taken the "temporary" option commented that they got the same ending as those who told him to stay off of it. Didn't MelissaGT take that option on one of her Templar Cullenmancers?
Yeah, I reckon she must've, but I honestly don't recall what happened. :puts on annoying OCD hat: maybe I should ask her so I can add it to the wiki.
So trotting this out again after seeing that this awesome photographer and her cosplay group are now doing Alistair as well.
DA:I - Wicked Grace by MilliganVick
I thought it's one of those "funny because it's true" things where you relate to what they are saying and you're like "haha yep, same". Also they are mostly just Bioware employees not actors, other than Mark Meer of course. I mean I've liked their other videos better but yeah.
aaaaand, you're now channeling the response I typed... and deleted.
I think I'm on the "funny cuz it's true" train but I can definitely see where it's teetering on mocking. I'm just going to put my rose colored happy glasses back on and pretend the ickiness isn't there.
I absolutely love Milligan Vick's cosplay photography. So much fun and well done!
Yeah, I reckon she must've, but I honestly don't recall what happened. :puts on annoying OCD hat: maybe I should ask her so I can add it to the wiki.
Which is one of the reasons I mentioned her. Her pro-Templar Cullenmance was very darkly intriguing, which is how I remembered her in particular.
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