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[R2s Muse]

That makes me think of Trask. He ultimately could't bring himself to keep his daughter in the Circle, and then there was her downfall because of reasons.   I'd like to think that Cullen is at least opening up to the idea of change for mages. Perhaps having a mage child would force him to question what it is he really believes.

 

I like romancing Cullen with a mage (although I prefer playing mages regardless.) His views do concern me, but maybe he could still change his mind? Part of me does like the conflicts a mage romance can bring to the table -- almost like Fenris with a mage Hawke. Perhaps the romance itself could cause him to think more about the issue from a different perspective. I know I'm naive but I like to see it that way, or at least hope for it.

 

"The man I was wouldn't have cared for you and the thought of it sickens me..." Oh, Cullen. Change isn't easy. 

I feel like they already showed us the beginnings of those changes, tho. Even in DA2, he allows Bethany throughout Act 1 to slip through the cracks and glosses over Hawke's involvement in various nefarious things. I think at the end of DA2 he's still a believer that there's a need for the system, but recognizes that it's flawed as currently implemented. In DA:I, he talks explicitly about alternate models for the Circle system. Not total freedom for mages, but checks and balances that are looser than the Circle that still protect mages and the public. If he had a mage kid, I could just see him getting more involved with how that model might change. 

[Spirit Vanguard]

I feel like they already showed us the beginnings of those changes, tho. Even in DA2, he allows Bethany throughout Act 1 to slip through the cracks and glosses over Hawke's involvement in various nefarious things. I think at the end of DA2 he's still a believer that there's a need for the system, but recognizes that it's flawed as currently implemented. In DA:I, he talks explicitly about alternate models for the Circle system. Not total freedom for mages, but checks and balances that are looser than the Circle that still protect mages and the public. If he had a mage kid, I could just see him getting more involved with how that model might change. 

 

That's what I meant, though. His eyes are opening but he's still trying to figure out all of it. What's been wrong and how it could be better. He is moving forward, and, like you said, a mage child of his would probably inspire him to be more involved on the subject.

[VivainaDX]

Agree. Esp given some of the other companion comments, like how Leliana comments on how she's familiar with such signs of torture. I think they did a good job making him sound slightly unhinged, because, let's be honest, he's probably still holding on by a thread at that point. But I really felt that the writers intended for us to pity him and perhaps to be slightly offended by his 'rar, kill all the mages' insistence. 

I couldn't be offended by that though because I was ticked at not being able to inform him of what Commander Gregior(sp?) said about him not opening the door without the first enchanter's ok, so no matter what, you pretty well have to disagree about killing all the mages because you need the first enchanter alive. Cullen's attitude was understandable, he was terrified, worn out and emotionally drained. His reaction, in no way ever offended me, I was mad I couldn't explain myself and hopefully get him to understand the situation. I know killing the mages really won't keep you locked in, but if you play by you're going with what you know, you can't kill kill the first enchanter. (sorry, I can't remember the FEs name right now) I hope this all makes sense though.

[VivainaDX]

That's what I meant, though. His eyes are opening but he's still trying to figure out all of it. What's been wrong and how it could be better. He is moving forward, and, like you said, a mage child of his would probably inspire him to be more involved on the subject.

The more I think about his experience in Kirkwall, the more I wonder what he found out after Meredith died. When Rylen arrived from Starkhaven, he met Cullen trying to put some order back into the Kirkwall Templars, would it be possible while Rylen was helping Cullen, that they came across some sort of hidden documents or something that Meredith had in her office that could've shed some light on the Order's command system? That could add to why his letter to Mia about leaving the Templars had such a negative tone, it could also explain why Rylen joined the Inquisition along with Cullen.

 

I think Cullen's loyalties lay more with the good men and women of the order, more than they do with the order itself. Yes, he sees the need to keep an eye on the mages but I think he's more interested in finding a more palatable way to do so, so yes he would be active in discovering some new system to replace the old one.

[Qun00]

I couldn't be offended by that though because I was ticked at not being able to inform him of what Commander Gregior(sp?) said about him not opening the door without the first enchanter's ok, so no matter what, you pretty well have to disagree about killing all the mages because you need the first enchanter alive. Cullen's attitude was understandable, he was terrified, worn out and emotionally drained. His reaction, in no way ever offended me, I was mad I couldn't explain myself and hopefully get him to understand the situation. I know killing the mages really won't keep you locked in, but if you play by you're going with what you know, you can't kill kill the first enchanter. (sorry, I can't remember the FEs name right now) I hope this all makes sense though.

I must admit that his argument was a good one. We can't tell a blood mage by sight and the same is true about those under their control.

Granted, this doesn't mean killing everyone is necessary but every surviving mage should be carefully inspected.

[VivainaDX]

I must admit that his argument was a good one. We can't tell a blood mage by sight and the same is true about those under their control.

Granted, this doesn't mean killing everyone is necessary but every surviving mage should be carefully inspected.

I agree, especially when you posess the litany of Adrala and close observation could be used. I seriously have a problem with condeming all for the actions of a few. You would think by now they would have some kind of system in place that doesn't include wiping out a whole group of people. It's like someone out there doesn't want them to.

[DreamerM]

This is a game that involves mass murder, rape, and lobotomy across multiple origins and main story quests throughout the game, and you think one dialogue option where a girl can ask a guy who's clearly into her if he wants to "get to know each other more" in back is inappropriate for the context?

 

Yes. Because none of those other things come out of the blue like this does, and none of those other things have a tendency to get overlooked or fluffed-up by fans who want their Cullen and for whom the troubling implications are no match for Tru Wuv.

 

 

And once again, we come back to "he liked her, therefore she must have been throwing herself at him."

 

I never once have said this. WHY Cullen likes her is not something we will ever know. What we are talking about is her reaction. Has she done this kind of thing before? Why is this the only "flirt" option available? What does that imply about their relationship, or lack therof, up until now?

And yes, I know, the tone of voice and the intention behind this line are completely up to the imagination of the reader. All I know is what it sounds like to me, and I think it's curious that is the only way to flirt back at him. You could be a heck of a lot nicer to your other potential love interests.

 

Still, it's usually not wise to assign malice to what can be more believably assigned to carelessness.

 

 

(haha, that's another interpretation of the line; a girl who doesn't mean it but just says it to make a Templar she doesn't like squirm)

Haha, me too. Kind of as a way of letting him know that she knows about his crush and he really doesn't want to go there. Or else as a way of getting him to leave so she can have some precious moments of alone time, which I imagine Mages don't get a lot of in the Tower. No one's rooms have doors on them. That's got to be tough.

[R2s Muse]

I couldn't be offended by that though because I was ticked at not being able to inform him of what Commander Gregior(sp?) said about him not opening the door without the first enchanter's ok, so no matter what, you pretty well have to disagree about killing all the mages because you need the first enchanter alive. Cullen's attitude was understandable, he was terrified, worn out and emotionally drained. His reaction, in no way ever offended me, I was mad I couldn't explain myself and hopefully get him to understand the situation. I know killing the mages really won't keep you locked in, but if you play by you're going with what you know, you can't kill kill the first enchanter. (sorry, I can't remember the FEs name right now) I hope this all makes sense though.

LOL If you've been in the Cullen thread as long as I have... there are LOTS of people offended by that. But again, I think that's the writer's intention. They know the player doesn't know a priori that killing them all will just lead to recruiting the templars instead (at least the first time). And that the player is naturally predisposed toward the underdog mages. So it's supposed to be a hard choice and push your buttons.  Like when I agonized over whether or not I should release this potential blood mage Jowan in Redcliffe the first time I met him. Or how I still can't forgive Anora for betraying me to the guards.

 

I agree that it would have been nice to point out to Cullen that no one gets out without Irving. But I think it makes more sense that Cullen wouldn't give a crap about that, evenso. After what he's been through, it's too big a risk to let any of them out alive. End of line.

[R2s Muse]

 No one's rooms have doors on them. That's got to be tough.

Oh man, I don't think I fully recognized this. Shudder. You really are *never* alone as an apprentice. Freaky. 

[Qun00]

Oh man, I don't think I fully recognized this. Shudder. You really are *never* alone as an apprentice. Freaky.

Maybe they use an invisibility spell when they need to change clothes.

[Tishina]

Oh man, I don't think I fully recognized this. Shudder. You really are *never* alone as an apprentice. Freaky. 

Yeah, the apprentices are basically in dorms, and from the mage origin, you have to realize that Templars wandering in and out of those rooms aren't unusual (most people didn't realize Surana had been removed during the night.) But even the full mages, with the exception of a few like Irving, don't have doors on their cubicles. It's one of the reasons I've always taken Anders' remarks about goings-on between mages at Kinloch as intensely sarcastic. And I pretty much interpret the situation to mean that any relationship that does manage to develop is, at best, a very quick and tense liaison in some hidden corner, trying to finish before a Templar finds you.

 

I've thought a lot about the conditions as shown in the Origin and how people would experience them. Funny enough, I have a line in a chapter I'm working on right now in which Surana comments that she thinks only Greagoir's sense of morals keeps Templars from following them into the baths.

 

Of course, that's Kinloch, and some other circles may have allowed some personal privacy.

[SamaraDraven]

So I finished my first playthrough of DAI - finally. And the Solas romance, just when it seemed to be going places, abruptly ended and the scene in Trespasser... It's Anders all over again - only worse because I liked Solas personally and unlike Anders's lip service to regret, Solas appears and sound truly about to break over the heartache his choice is causing him. I immediately started another playthrough and it was tough not to pick an elf because I knew I'd want to romance Solas again. I'm a Cullenite dammit! But the Solas romance was sooo exquisite! But so lean! And so aching... I don't even know... He's not going to make opposing him next game (if we get to) any easier. =/

I saved Cullen for after that just for the reason of saving the better one for last and getting the Solas thing off my mind. Well last for now. I have other games to play.

So far in my current playthrough I've gotten as far as looking for Stroud and my quizzy, Evelyn has already shared her first kiss with Cullen. I positively squealed during the scene! ^__^ I love how confident he gets when Evie says in clear words that was what she was after. He's so sexy when he's assertive! ^__^

And hi everyone! *waves* Sorry I've been absent. PC needs new parts so I'm on mobile - have been for weeks now. Used up all my data this month trying to internet like I normally do from my phone. LOL! I hope you're all well.

[R2s Muse]

Yeah, the apprentices are basically in dorms, and from the mage origin, you have to realize that Templars wandering in and out of those rooms aren't unusual (most people didn't realize Surana had been removed during the night.) But even the full mages, with the exception of a few like Irving, don't have doors on their cubicles. It's one of the reasons I've always taken Anders' remarks about goings-on between mages at Kinloch as intensely sarcastic. And I pretty much interpret the situation to mean that any relationship that does manage to develop is, at best, a very quick and tense liaison in some hidden corner, trying to finish before a Templar finds you.

I've thought a lot about the conditions as shown in the Origin and how people would experience them. Funny enough, I have a line in a chapter I'm working on right now in which Surana comments that she thinks only Greagoir's sense of morals keeps Templars from following them into the baths.

Of course, that's Kinloch, and some other circles may have allowed some personal privacy.

plus... Inevitably some of those physical space details will also be influenced by coding and gameplay limitations. For example, Hawke's mansion had no kitchen nor bath!

[Fadburger]

plus... Inevitably some of those physical space details will also be influenced by coding and gameplay limitations. For example, Hawke's mansion had no kitchen nor bath!

 

Must be in the mom's room lol, since you never get to see in there...

[R2s Muse]

So I finished my first playthrough of DAI - finally. And the Solas romance, just when it seemed to be going places, abruptly ended and the scene in Trespasser... It's Anders all over again - only worse because I liked Solas personally and unlike Anders's lip service to regret, Solas appears and sound truly about to break over the heartache his choice is causing him. I immediately started another playthrough and it was tough not to pick an elf because I knew I'd want to romance Solas again. I'm a Cullenite dammit! But the Solas romance was sooo exquisite! But so lean! And so aching... I don't even know... He's not going to make opposing him next game (if we get to) any easier. =/

I saved Cullen for after that just for the reason of saving the better one for last and getting the Solas thing off my mind. Well last for now. I have other games to play.

So far in my current playthrough I've gotten as far as looking for Stroud and my quizzy, Evelyn has already shared her first kiss with Cullen. I positively squealed during the scene! ^__^ I love how confident he gets when Evie says in clear words that was what she was after. He's so sexy when he's assertive! ^__^

And hi everyone! *waves* Sorry I've been absent. PC needs new parts so I'm on mobile - have been for weeks now. Used up all my data this month trying to internet like I normally do from my phone. LOL! I hope you're all well.
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Hey welcome back! On the Solas romance... :shuddery sob: I KNOW!!! It's little consolation, but you're in good company.

But the Cullen romance will be a nice balm, particularly since it's so much more content heavy than Solas's romance. :wistful sigh:

[The Elder King]

We won't face Solas as the Inquisitor though. The player might feel the conflict, but the new PC, not so much. Well, at least in the way I roleplay.
It'd have been actually really interesting to roleplay a Lavellan Who romanced Solas, that goes to stop him. It'd have make overcome my problems with the elves' anatomy.

[VivainaDX]

LOL If you've been in the Cullen thread as long as I have... there are LOTS of people offended by that. But again, I think that's the writer's intention. They know the player doesn't know a priori that killing them all will just lead to recruiting the templars instead (at least the first time). And that the player is naturally predisposed toward the underdog mages. So it's supposed to be a hard choice and push your buttons.  Like when I agonized over whether or not I should release this potential blood mage Jowan in Redcliffe the first time I met him. Or how I still can't forgive Anora for betraying me to the guards.

 

I agree that it would have been nice to point out to Cullen that no one gets out without Irving. But I think it makes more sense that Cullen wouldn't give a crap about that, evenso. After what he's been through, it's too big a risk to let any of them out alive. End of line.

Irving! That's his name! THANK-YOU! I knew it wasn't Uldred, Eamon or Emeric but it did begin with a vowel. For some reason his name always eludes me. 

 

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who wasn't impressed with that, it didn't seem fair to him or the warden. It may not of had any impact on his attitude about the mages, but it might of led to some understanding on his part, that I wasn't going against him because I didn't believe him or respect his opinion, I was just following orders, so to speak. I always felt so bad for him, poor guy.

[VivainaDX]

So I finished my first playthrough of DAI - finally. And the Solas romance, just when it seemed to be going places, abruptly ended and the scene in Trespasser... It's Anders all over again - only worse because I liked Solas personally and unlike Anders's lip service to regret, Solas appears and sound truly about to break over the heartache his choice is causing him. I immediately started another playthrough and it was tough not to pick an elf because I knew I'd want to romance Solas again. I'm a Cullenite dammit! But the Solas romance was sooo exquisite! But so lean! And so aching... I don't even know... He's not going to make opposing him next game (if we get to) any easier. =/

I saved Cullen for after that just for the reason of saving the better one for last and getting the Solas thing off my mind. Well last for now. I have other games to play.

So far in my current playthrough I've gotten as far as looking for Stroud and my quizzy, Evelyn has already shared her first kiss with Cullen. I positively squealed during the scene! ^__^ I love how confident he gets when Evie says in clear words that was what she was after. He's so sexy when he's assertive! ^__^

And hi everyone! *waves* Sorry I've been absent. PC needs new parts so I'm on mobile - have been for weeks now. Used up all my data this month trying to internet like I normally do from my phone. LOL! I hope you're all well.

I think my favorite part about that kiss scene is Cullen's slight nod as the soldier is retreating to Cullen's office..Kinda like he's saying..."yeah, that's it! you just back off, mutha*bleep*, you just back off..." So cute

[SamaraDraven]

I think my favorite part about that kiss scene is Cullen's slight nod as the soldier is retreating to Cullen's office..Kinda like he's saying..."yeah, that's it! you just back off, mutha*bleep*, you just back off..." So cute

I took Cullen's nod to be more like a "yeah, duh" kind of response when the guy said "Or to your... office....right...." Like Cullen was agreeing it was a more sensible interpretation of having the report delivered "without delay".

It is still cute at any rate. =)

[DreamerM]

Maybe they use an invisibility spell when they need to change clothes.

 

I think it more likely the Templars are encouraged to "check" the mages for any suspicious cuts that may be a sign of blood magic. I don't think invisibility spells really exist, no matter what that shady apprentice tells you....

[VivainaDX]

I took Cullen's nod to be more like a "yeah, duh" kind of response when the guy said "Or to your... office....right...." Like Cullen was agreeing it was a more sensible interpretation of having the report delivered "without delay".

It is still cute at any rate. =)

I can see your point too, but I find it more fun my way. I've seen documenteries on low land gorrilas where they use slight nods like that as a way of warning, so of course what pops into my head? 'That's it Cully Wully, you sexy little silverback...and if he comes back you fling your feces at him! That'll learn him." 

 

Now I'm really disappointed you didn't get the option to lead Cullen up the ladder in his office for a quickie, it would've been hilarious to have that same guy interupt the to of you in a cut scene.

[SamaraDraven]

I can see your point too, but I find it more fun my way.

Hey. You do you. =) I was just sharing my perspective, not trying to convert you.

Now I'm really disappointed you didn't get the option to lead Cullen up the ladder in his office for a quickie, it would've been hilarious to have that same guy interupt the to of you in a cut scene.

That would have been hysterical! Sadly we don't get the option to drag him away for a quickie during the first kiss. Though I think that would kind of go against Cullen's morals. I think he'd be kind of horrified if the woman he's into was ready to go that far so soon. He's still getting to know her and her him so I think he'd balk at the idea and call the whole thing off.

[R2s Muse]

We won't face Solas as the Inquisitor though. The player might feel the conflict, but the new PC, not so much. Well, at least in the way I roleplay.
It'd have been actually really interesting to roleplay a Lavellan Who romanced Solas, that goes to stop him. It'd have make overcome my problems with the elves' anatomy.

:puts fingers in ears: LALALALALALALA NOT LISTENINGLALALALALA

 

I'll just sit over here in my pink bubble of denial. My Lavellan will have her closure. :sob: Someday. 

[R2s Muse]

Must be in the mom's room lol, since you never get to see in there...

LOL Or maybe hanging from those chandeliers with Sandal...  

 

Ah, :wipes tears: DA2, I love you so.

[SamaraDraven]

:puts fingers in ears: LALALALALALALA NOT LISTENINGLALALALALA

I'll just sit over here in my pink bubble of denial. My Lavellan will have her closure. :sob: Someday.

*joins R2 in denial* Aris Lavellan WILL confront Solas someday and change his mind! LALALALALALALALALALAAAAAA!!!