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[Dirgegun]

I kind of hope this will never happen. I'm still traumatized by what happened to Anders. Besides, Connor made a deal with a demon. Anders made a deal with a spirit. Making deals with demons is VERY stupid. I can't bear the thought that my character can be that stupid. That would be a huge insult In DAII I was facepalming and pulling my hair when Hawke didn't figure out who was courting her mother, while I put it together instantly. I hate that feeling, when you know your character is doing something really stupid, but you can't do anything about it.

I think the Fade is difficult to implement in game properly, because it can't fool the player. The player remembers that they were doing this and that, but the character is supposed to be distracted by the images and promises of something they really want. Demons are difficult to implement as well, because we, players, know that it's a trap, and if we do something wrong - it's "game over". Fanfiction does it better. I really enjoy reading what fans write about the Fade But to get the same feeling in the game I think we need to extend the canon with our own ideas, try to role-play what's going on.

To become possessed you need a really good reason. Like, you get possessed, and use the demon's aid (although we know that demons don't really aid) to save somebody you really care about. Maybe a key strategic point is under attack, and you need a leverage. But at the same time - you are the only person who can close the marble jaws of oblivion the breaches in the Veil. If you surrender to demons, that basically means the end of the world. I just don't see how the Inquisitor may be convinced to give themselves to a demon.

 

To be fair, we were set up to see who was courting Leandra from a narrative standpoint only because those were the only two mentions of NPCs dating in game, but for Hawke to make those connections before the mention of lilies? That would take one very, very paranoid person. I mean think of it like a real life scenario: you hear about a predator being in the city. The very big city. It's a shame, but that stuff happens everyday. Now someone you know says 'oh hey, I have a date!'... are you REALLY going to then say 'holy crap, your date is the murderer!'?

 

While I agree possession might be taking it a bit far, I would like something to happen to the player character that shows us just how dangerous magic can be. It's too easy to detach yourself from the situation when the player character is never once threatened. Instead all the NPC mages just become an 'exception' rather than an example of a very real threat. That's why I wouldn't mind a dream segment or something where the emotional worries or whatever are catching up with a mage Inquisitor, and suddenly they find a demon on their doorstep that they need to have a battle of words with... or have to defend themselves against physically, whatever works. 

 

Once that's over, cue the Inquisitor waking up with a jolt-- maybe with the LI there or someone rushing into the room because they heard the Inquisitor screaming in their sleep. From there the player can decide how the Inquisitor deals with it/reacts to what just happened.

[MageTarot]

If it makes you feel any better we'll be 161(+) days away from sleeping

 There's irony for you - once the game is released we won't be the ones sleeping!

[Potato Cat]

I think the Fade is difficult to implement in game properly, because it can't fool the player. The player remembers that they were doing this and that, but the character is supposed to be distracted by the images and promises of something they really want. Demons are difficult to implement as well, because we, players, know that it's a trap, and if we do something wrong - it's "game over". Fanfiction does it better. I really enjoy reading what fans write about the Fade But to get the same feeling in the game I think we need to extend the canon with our own ideas, try to role-play what's going on.
To become possessed you need a really good reason. Like, you get possessed, and use the demon's aid (although we know that demons don't really aid) to save somebody you really care about. Maybe a key strategic point is under attack, and you need a leverage. But at the same time - you are the only person who can close the marble jaws of oblivion the breaches in the Veil. If you surrender to demons, that basically means the end of the world. I just don't see how the Inquisitor may be convinced to give themselves to a demon.

That's why when demons are involved I go find my dice and do a DND style willpower check and just leave the decision up to chance. As a result, my canon Hawke handed Feynriel over to the demon. I just find it helps make the encounters more realistic.

[Sifr]

I had forgotten that possession that possession requires active consent, although since they prey upon your doubts and fears to let them in, I could imagine that one slip of willpower might be enough for them to gain a foothold.

 

And I agree that fanfiction does the Fade and possessions far better. "All Roads Lead to Denerim" did it great with one character, where they were slowly swayed and seduced by the demon across the course of the story and decided to let them in, because it honestly did seem like the only way to save their friends at the time.

[Galagraphia]

To be fair, we were set up to see who was courting Leandra from a narrative standpoint only because those were the only two mentions of NPCs dating in game, but for Hawke to make those connections before the mention of lilies? That would take one very, very paranoid person. I mean think of it like a real life scenario: you hear about a predator being in the city. The very big city. It's a shame, but that stuff happens everyday. Now someone you know says 'oh hey, I have a date!'... are you REALLY going to then say 'holy crap, your date is the murderer!'?

Actually that's exactly what I would do. Not that my mother would let a stranger to lure her somewhere. We are living in a dangerous place. 

I don't expect Hawke to be as paranoid as I am, but she could have asked Leandra, "Hey, mom, can I meet that guy you are dating? Because there is a murderer in the city who targets women like you, and I saw his face last time I was on his tail, and I just want to make sure that's not him!"

[Dirgegun]

Actually that's exactly what I would do. Not that my mother would let a stranger to lure her somewhere. We are living in a dangerous place. 

I don't expect Hawke to be as paranoid as I am, but she could have asked Leandra, "Hey, mom, can I meet that guy you are dating? Because there is a murderer in the city who targets women like you, and I saw his face last time I was on his tail, and I just want to make sure that's not him!"

 

 

Ah, personal experiences. I see. 

 

Still, I think it's unfair to call Hawke stupid in that scenario? Especially when Kirkwall is huge. It might not have felt that way to us, especially with Hawke getting involved in everyone's business, but it's not a town or a small city. It's a city state. And though Hawke has been exposed to the worst parts of it by being a busy body, I don't think that means they have to judge the whole city to that standard?

 

I think of it a bit like... what if I heard something bad has happened in North Brisbane but I'm at South Brisbane at the time. Brisbane can be a sort of crappy city, but that doesn't mean I'm going to link that murder I hear about to someone who tells me they have a date.

 

Anyway, in the end he didn't approach her as a date. He approached her as an injured man, and her wanting to help him was what lead to her capture... which was sort of interesting, actually. Wouldn't it be a kicker to find out Leandra had legitimately found someone who wasn't the murderer, and he just happened to send her lilies by coincidence...?

 

Edit: Fixed things because I reread your post and realised I missed an important detail.

 

Edit x2: So many edits.

Modifié par Dirgegun, 29 avril 2014 - 11:01 .

[Ava Grey]

I want to add my vote to the hope that demons and the dangers of magic with a player mage are explored and emphasised more. I ended up doing alot of headcanoning with my mage Hawke in regards to it.

 

That's why when demons are involved I go find my dice and do a DND style willpower check and just leave the decision up to chance. As a result, my canon Hawke handed Feynriel over to the demon. I just find it helps make the encounters more realistic.

 

That's a really neat way of dealing with it, I might have to give a go myself.

[Galagraphia]

Without any evidence that lilies or the known MO were involved? If all you knew was 'I might have found a man'?  I don't know, actually. I kind of think it's hard to truly say. It's too easy to say we would do that when we've seen the scenario in game and are aware of the outcome, I think? 

 

Whatever the case, I think it's unfair to call Hawke stupid in that scenario.

 

Anyway, in the end he didn't approach her as a date. He approached her as an injured man, and her wanting to help him was what lead to her capture. (And wouldn't it be a kicker to find out Leandra had legitimately found someone who wasn't the murderer, and he just happened to send her lilies as a coincidence...)

It would make more sense, actually, if she was dating a decent man Hawke was familiar with, but then Quentin just used blood magic to lure her into his lair.

Me, I just always assume the worst. Better to be safe than sorry. 

Going to get back on topic now. I wonder, who will make the first move - Cullen or the Inquisitor?   Hm, I would love to see Cullen fighting for his love.

[R2s Muse]

lol, I ran out of likes 
And I believed I wasn't a very emotional person.
@TreeHuggerHannah when Cullen confronted Meredith about those 3 mages, I lost my jaw on the floor. I never thought he would be able to trust mages again.
He also spared Alain earlier, although Alain was totally a blood mage, who just promised not to do anything evil 
It was not only opposite of what Cullen wanted in the end of Broken Circle, it was the opposite of what Cullen was saying in the first act of DAII. That was really bada*s!

 
 

Alain can be executed though. If you don't urge Cullen to put in word for him (from Hawke), the next time you speak to Cullen in the gallows you'll get a real creepy line from him (paraphrased) "Did you not see the bodies when you walked in? They're an example for all who oppose Meredith."

 
The scene with Alain et al. is very complicated, because Cullen's responses also depend strongly on your Hawke. Like what happens with Alain, who gets killed along with everyone else if you choose, as Batteries said. If you are hardline with Samson, Cullen has a line about how one should never trust mages. I don't think he has necessarily turned into someone who trusts mages, but instead is finally willing to give some of them the benefit of the doubt, recognizing that it's not always black and white (which seems to be the basic point of DA2). 
 


(edit: And in other news! My photobucket bandwidth limit is finally reset! w00t!)

[Dirgegun]

It would make more sense, actually, if she was dating a decent man Hawke was familiar with, but then Quentin just used blood magic to lure her into his lair.

Me, I just always assume the worst. Better to be safe than sorry. 

Going to get back on topic now. I wonder, who will make the first move - Cullen or the Inquisitor?   Hm, I would love to see Cullen fighting for his love.

 

I actually did a lot of edits to that post, but the general theme's the same. 

 

I would love, love, love for Cullen (and any of the LIs, really) to make the first move, but I imagine the Inquisitor will have to at least take the first flirt option. (Especially after how many people threw fits over Anders flirting with Hawke, though to be fair, I think there would have been less if there was a way to turn him down gently rather than the harsh rebuttal that was available.)

 

Turning Zevran down was much more sensitive, actually. He asked if he was making the warden uncomfortable, and the warden had the chance to just say that, while flattered, he/she wasn't interested. That's a much better way of turning someone down, I think!

 

If the LI won't make the first move, I at least hope some of them will become more proactive once you've flirted with them once. The flirt is the trigger to show the Inquisitor is interested, which means they can CHASE that. ;D 

[Twilight_Princess]

If the LI won't make the first move, I at least hope some of them will become more proactive once you've flirted with them once. The flirt is the trigger to show the Inquisitor is interested, which means they can CHASE that. ;D

THIS! I miss having companions making the first move, I understand why a lot of people don't though. The best compromise is what you just said, a flirt should change how they interact with you! Like Alistair's "has anyone told you how handsome you are?" a simple lil' flirt like that should make them aware it's ok to flirt back. By all means chase our Inquisitors! We like the chase

[Crunchycarp]

Is there any possible way to sleep 161 days and still not miss out on school and life? Because if there is sign me up

[Galagraphia]

 
The scene with Alain et al. is very complicated, because Cullen's responses also depend strongly on your Hawke. Like what happens with Alain, who gets killed along with everyone else if you choose, as Batteries said. If you are hardline with Samson, Cullen has a line about how one should never trust mages. I don't think he has necessarily turned into someone who trusts mages, but instead is finally willing to give some of them the benefit of the doubt, recognizing that it's not always black and white (which seems to be the basic point of DA2). 
 

That awkward moment when you realize you need to replay DAII, but do not want, because you hate the gameplay too much 

If I remember right, Hawke could try to make Cullen more strict and paranoid. I think I even tried these options a couple of times for fun, but they always felt wrong, like I was making it worse for Cullen to recover. lol, now I remember back in DAO my m!Amell did something similar after the Harrowing. He told Cullen that he should just assume all mages are abominations, and Cullen freaked out a little, because, "OMG, what if they are???" 

However, no matter what you keep telling Cullen throughout DAII, in the end he still has his own opinion about those 3 mages who beg to spare them.

He listens to Hawke about Alain, because Hawke is the only witness, and if Hawke says Alain is ok, Cullen is trying to help, but if Hawke says they should execute him - then why would Cullen argue? But nonetheless, Cullen is awesome in the 3rd act, because he argues with Meredith to spare mages when he thinks the mage can still be saved. 

[SeekerOfLight]

Romantic or religious.

 

I think religious might be better from a story point of view. I mean if he isn't a templar, and after seeing the darkness in both mages and templars, yet still remaining a devout Andrastian. Him singing the chant would actually be pretty cool IMO, and add a whole lot of layers to character we might not be spending a lot of time with.

[R2s Muse]

That awkward moment when you realize you need to replay DAII, but do not want, because you hate the gameplay too much 

If I remember right, Hawke could try to make Cullen more strict and paranoid. I think I even tried these options a couple of times for fun, but they always felt wrong, like I was making it worse for Cullen to recover. lol, now I remember back in DAO my m!Amell did something similar after the Harrowing. He told Cullen that he should just assume all mages are abominations, and Cullen freaked out a little, because, "OMG, what if they are???" 

However, no matter what you keep telling Cullen throughout DAII, in the end he still has his own opinion about those 3 mages who beg to spare them.

He listens to Hawke about Alain, because Hawke is the only witness, and if Hawke says Alain is ok, Cullen is trying to help, but if Hawke says they should execute him - then why would Cullen argue? But nonetheless, Cullen is awesome in the 3rd act, because he argues with Meredith to spare mages when he thinks the mage can still be saved. 

My feeling is that this is where the fact that's he'll give the benefit of the doubt comes in. I think Hawke can help him figure out who to trust in a sense. But the fact that he can be willing to trust at all is a huge step forward. On the 3 mages, he always has the same opinion if you ask him, but only if you ask. And the mages only get spared if Hawke decides so.

 

When I tried my hardcore templar playthrough and said really extreme things, he didn't seem to like that either. It was worse when I told him I was indifferent! So, it is really interesting that it seems that what you see of Cullen depends so strongly on how your Hawke interacts with him. This perhaps is also part of why so many players are unwilling to give him the benefit of the doubt, because his moderate views and some of his doubts only come out with certain prodding. Of course... despite all this, no matter what you do, he always reaches the last straw with Meredith.   

[ChachiBobinks]

Would I enjoy KOTOR if I only like (not love) Star Wars?

The only things I like about SW are Han Solo and Obi Wan Kenobi. And I'll only watch the original movies. And only if nothing else is on. He'll, I'd watch Honey Boo Boo first. And enjoy it more (don't judge).

But KotOR I is, in my opinion, one of the greatest games of all time.

[Dirgegun]

I think religious might be better from a story point of view. I mean if he isn't a templar, and after seeing the darkness in both mages and templars, yet still remaining a devout Andrastian. Him singing the chant would actually be pretty cool IMO, and add a whole lot of layers to character we might not be spending a lot of time with.

 

Hell, it could even be both! Or, rather, romantic in the sense you only walk in on him singing the chant when you go to find him in the chantry and he's your LI. 

[Galagraphia]

 It was worse when I told him I was indifferent!

"I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot." Sorry, couldn't resist.  People with no opinion - I can see why he's not impressed

 

Re: Flirting thing. I must confess, I have no idea what Cullen romance will be like. I hope it's a good thing. It certainly was with Alistair I like surprises. But I hope Cullen will drag my Inquisitor into his tent before she does it. Or will at least attempt to kiss her first. 

[BFace]

Or rather during it. 

No. Not during. Too busy.

[BFace]

I think what did it for me was that Cullen had no evidence that he could trust those mages, he was simply giving them the benefit of the doubt because they couldn't be sure either way - and also that he brought up Kinloch Hold as an example of what should be done if you went against what he recommended at the time.

 

Cullen is a complicated guy, to put it mildly.

And this is why I love him.

[meanieweenie]

 

If the LI won't make the first move, I at least hope some of them will become more proactive once you've flirted with them once. The flirt is the trigger to show the Inquisitor is interested, which means they can CHASE that. ;D 

 

 

THIS! I miss having companions making the first move, I understand why a lot of people don't though. The best compromise is what you just said, a flirt should change how they interact with you! Like Alistair's "has anyone told you how handsome you are?" a simple lil' flirt like that should make them aware it's ok to flirt back. By all means chase our Inquisitors! We like the chase

Agree 100x over. Would really appreciate some kind of reciprocal action... and OMG that gif!      

[Chiantirose82]

Ah, my mistake. The story was supposedly changed, but not because of the leak (althought "feedback" to the script was apparently taken into account as well).

After Drew Karpyshyn left BW, the reason for why the Reapers reap was apparently altered. I am inclined to believe this, as it makes sense why any mention of "dark energy" was completely dropped in ME3.

 

http://www.ign.com/b...lers.250066288/

 

Nah there were little things changed. In the original leak we were supposed to choose between Liara and the VS ala Virmire on Thessia and it was supposed to be right after Earth I think, that's why Liara's angst about her planet is a bit weird in the game when you play it. Planets/Missions in general were switched around also. VS was a lot more suspicious in the leak and there was a part where they worked with Kai Leng. 

 

*I know this is late, meh.*

[Yara]

KotOR is awesome. Actually I'm in the middle of another playthrough and it's still so much fun. I love the characters and all the choices I can make in that game.

 

And I feel really optimistic about Cullen's romance right now! I have to admit, when it became obvious that he wouldn't be a companion, I thought that my Inquisitor would probably romance someone else in the first playthrough, someone who is a companion. But now I don't know how I could ever have thought like that, of course it will be Cullen and I'm convinced that it will be a great romance.

I'm really curious in what sort of situation Cullen will sing. I think I would love if there would be a tragic reason (well, not too tragic, just ... a little bit ), but there could be so many reasons. I'm so excited for this game!

 

Oh, and I never played through the Dragon Age games with a male character before (which is weird, because I like playing Mass Effect with a male character). But right now I'm set on choosing a male character for my second playthrough and naming him *Robert*

[CuriousArtemis]

Oh no Cullen! "You mean he was one of them until a convient last minute change of heart!"
I laughed so hard at that line because so many people say that about Cullen.

Thank you for the video! I remember the quest but not the Alain kid

 

I can't believe I slept through a conversation about my precious Alain!  *throws Cullen x Alain fic at the thread* https://www.fanficti...The-Calm-Before

[Owlfruit Potion]

When I tried my hardcore templar playthrough and said really extreme things, he didn't seem to like that either. 

I only had one playthrough, but I tried all the different dialogue options at the end of Best Served Cold, and that one where you pick the meanest options and he says with just a faint edge of disdain "I can see why Meredith thinks so highly of you" is one of my favorite line readings in the game.