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[R2s Muse]

So I got a question ... Do people think that siding with the Templars in DA2 is the "evil" way and siding with the Mages is the "good/right" way? 

 

It really reads like it sometimes, makes me feel weird for enjoying to see all the possible outcomes and therefore joining the Templars here and there. I don't see my Pro-Templar Hawkes as evil, just having different viewpoints I guess. I do have lines that I don't cross, I never have given Fenris back or Isabela, never let my siblings get killed (except for dying in the deeproads) etc. but I have sided with Petrice, have rivaled every companion and probably have fought almost all companion at the end by now (except Varric, seeing as he sides with you by default I think and Aveline might be bugged for me or she also doesn't fight you, idk)

 

I really hope that in DA:I we see some more evil Mages, because DA:2 did not do a good job at showing us both of the evil sides, it pretty much just managed to show "Mages good/Templars evil .. rawr"

I think the statistics show that most folks on average side with the mages since, as DG points out, most folks like an underdog. But, I also don't see the pro-templar playthrough as universally evil. I think there are small choices along the way that feel more evil than others, like giving Fenris to D, or kicking out Keran, etc. But even in those, I think everyone has their own perspective on what's the "lesser evil." 

 

For me, the toughest part of the pro-templar playthrough is the final decision at the start of the Last Straw, when you have to choose a side for the final battle. I always feel like I didn't get the options that explained why I was really being pro-templar. I finally found a certain path through the menus where I could say I was trying to limit the casualties for all involved and save the city... but at that point I have a hard time siding with Meredith for most of the reasons they offer up. 

[Panda]

I've always thought that both are wrong, but the comfy middle is where we get to be 'good.' It's the extremes of either side that I see to be 'evil' like the mage-slaughter Templars or the blood Mages.

 

Like! This is how I see it too and why I'm either pro-templar or pro-mage. I don't just like extremes ^^

[Dirgegun]

Ummmm I don't mind really, but maybe if you wanna break down my personality we could do it via PM and not so publicly??   

 

Usually I think I'm eagerly engaging in a spirited discussion or debate, while the other person things they're engaged in a verbal fight to the death. I've almost left the BSN completely... okay I was interrupted by my colleagues for a bit, and I almost started crying lol I'm feeling really overwhelmed lately, partly from here and partly from work, where it seems like nothing you do is good enough for the administration. Luckily my co-worker made me feel better But I'm still feeling a bit teary-eyed.

 

Someone give me a Cullen!!!!

 

I don't have a Cullen, but here's an epic prank gif: 

 

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[Ellyria]

So I got a question ... Do people think that siding with the Templars in DA2 is the "evil" way and siding with the Mages is the "good/right" way? 

 

It really reads like it sometimes, makes me feel weird for enjoying to see all the possible outcomes and therefore joining the Templars here and there. I don't see my Pro-Templar Hawkes as evil, just having different viewpoints I guess. I do have lines that I don't cross, I never have given Fenris back or Isabela, never let my siblings get killed (except for dying in the deeproads) etc. but I have sided with Petrice, have rivaled every companion and probably have fought almost all companion at the end by now (except Varric, seeing as he sides with you by default I think and Aveline might be bugged for me or she also doesn't fight you, idk)

 

I really hope that in DA:I we see some more evil Mages, because DA:2 did not do a good job at showing us both of the evil sides, it pretty much just managed to show "Mages good/Templars evil .. rawr"

 

I've never thought that either side was good/evil/right etc, although both DAO and DA2 make it seem like Templars are evil and Mages are good. Even in Act III when you have to make a choice on who to side with, Meredith seems irrational and Orsino doesn't, which further pushes the whole good/evil thing. It's too bad you don't find out about the Orsino/Quentin connection until after you side with the Templars.

 

I usually side with the Templars, but it's mostly to protect Kirkwall's civilians, not fuel Meredith's crazy delusions. (Which Hawke can point out when Merrill freaks out about it). In DAO, however, I usually side with the Mages; I don't see a reason to kill them/put them on lock down after you take down Uldred.

 

Let's hope with DA:I it'll actually be evil Mages, not "Mages that have been driven to blood magic/insanity/etc because of the Templars." I had enough of that in DA2.

[CuriousArtemis]

So I got a question ... Do people think that siding with the Templars in DA2 is the "evil" way and siding with the Mages is the "good/right" way? 

 

I think, unfortunately, the way it's set up suggests that siding with the mages is the "moral" thing to do, simply because the opposing choice is to murder them all. We the player have been given no evidence that all the Circle mages are corrupted; in fact, our own sister is in the Circle (possibly), and she doesn't appear to be possessed.

 

I've played a pro-templar character who truly believed mages belonged in the Circle, but when it came down to the Last Straw, I couldn't make him side with Meredith and agree to slaughter all the mages. It made no narrative sense.

 

If they had set the story up differently, and allowed us to side with the templars without condoning and participating in wholesale genocide... then that would've been awesome. Cause being pro-templar and pro-Circle is definitely not "evil." But that Last Straw choice is, I fear (imo).

 

That said I had a friend who I got into DA2 recently. Her Hawke was pro-mage, like super duper 100% pro-mage. Then for some reason at the end she chose to side with the templars?!?! I couldn't understand that lol 

[R2s Muse]

 

Someone give me a Cullen!!!!

 

Aw, hang in there, hon! Internet talk is tough, and we're still not off our rocky road here in the thread despite all the kumbayahs. This too shall pass. 

[CuriousArtemis]

For me, the toughest part of the pro-templar playthrough is the final decision at the start of the Last Straw, when you have to choose a side for the final battle. I always feel like I didn't get the options that explained why I was really being pro-templar.

 

Yeah, that's my issue, too. 

[CuriousArtemis]

I don't have a Cullen, but here's an epic prank gif: 

 

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HA!! That's so mean!

[Phate Phoenix]

I've always thought that both are wrong, but the comfy middle is where we get to be 'good.' It's the extremes of either side that I see to be 'evil' like the mage-slaughter Templars or the blood Mages.

 

One of my favorite Hawkes, Orson, I played as being mostly bemused that everyone was putting all this power into his hands. By the end of the game, his whole family was dead (except Gamlem, and Charade, if they count) and he was just done with everything. So he sided with the mages and ran away with Isabela. He was the closest I ever felt to a DA2 character.

[BFace]

OMG, Cullen singing opera upon climax. Hahaha

No.

[R2s Muse]

Yeah, that's my issue, too. 

Grr. Yeah, I tried to like yours as well, but out of freaking LIkes again! Silly silly like system. 

[Panda]

I think the whole: "kill every single mage despite if they are good or not because of one crazy rouge apostate" at the end is what got to a lot of people and colored the Templars in a certain light. Had they made the Templars more sympathetic, I'm sure most wouldn't think this way.

 

I want it easier to side with mages and that's what I first decided too. It's easier to be in side of defender than attacker, since defenders feels just victims. But after experiencing both playthrough I prefer templar one and it's my canon although I think it's harder to justify.

[Potato Cat]

I've always thought that both are wrong, but the comfy middle is where we get to be 'good.' It's the extremes of either side that I see to be 'evil' like the mage-slaughter Templars or the blood Mages.

  

Like! This is how I see it too and why I'm either pro-templar or pro-mage. I don't just like extremes ^^

Definitely, the extremes are certainly where it starts to get evil, as far as the Mage/Templar debate goes. Being pro-Qunari, not exactly advocating the harsh treatment of the Saarebas but understanding the thinking where the Qunari treatment comes from, I think I definitely fall into a more pro-Templar viewpoint under normal circumstances. However, even then I wouldn't call for mass killings of mages. I prefer a Circle system, with mages among the ranks of Seekers and visitation rights for both families to see their mage relatives and for supervised trips. Not just to protect the regular people, but also the mages themselves.

Anyway, a less slippery slope conversation and general ponderment, do most people here have the OGB as canon?

[MacyNell]

Probably NSFW:

 

 

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Artist: http://msartisticstuff.deviantart.com/

 

I've not seen this before, so I thought I'd share.....    

[CuriousArtemis]

Anyway, a less slippery slope conversation and general ponderment, do most people here have the OGB as canon?

 

Yeah, I do. 

[Dirgegun]

  

Anyway, a less slippery slope conversation and general ponderment, do most people here have the OGB as canon?

 

I do! I'm not a nice enough person for the final epic sacrifice BS-- my canon isn't, anyway. I might like ruining my characters' lives, but they need to LIVE through it. They ain't allowed to escape through death. 

 

(My Warden had a happy ending in the wardens with Alistair, though. Now my boy Donovan Hawke, on the other hand...) 

[CuriousArtemis]

Probably NSFW:

 

 

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I've not seen this before, so I thought I'd share.....    

 

LOL! Who's the artist?

[Ellyria]

 
Anyway, a less slippery slope conversation and general ponderment, do most people here have the OGB as canon?

 

Not going to lie, it was in my canon originally, but I'm going back and changing some things. (Sorry Alistair...) The more times I play DAO, the more I do not like the idea of the OGB. So I'm going for Female Cousland who is Queen with Alistair who did the Dark Ritual to Female Cousland who does to Ultimate Sacrifice with Anora as Queen and Alistair stays a Warden. *shrugs*

[ChachiBobinks]

Clearly DA2 needed the option of "Screw all these crazies; I'm packing up and going home."

 

Or "Y'all handle your own ****. I'm out."

 

Or "QUICK, CULLEN, GET IN THE CAR. MOVE MOVE MOVE!" as you drive off into the horizon.

[Panda]

  
Anyway, a less slippery slope conversation and general ponderment, do most people here have the OGB as canon?

 

OGB?

[MacyNell]

LOL! Who's the artist?

I linked to the deviantart.com page.  I hope that's the way to do it.  I'm not usually the finder of art around here.  

[ChachiBobinks]

I want a Hogwarts.

 

LIKE.

[BFace]

Clearly DA2 needed the option of "Screw all these crazies; I'm packing up and going home."

 

Or "Y'all handle your own ****. I'm out."

 

Or "QUICK, CULLEN, GET IN THE CAR. MOVE MOVE MOVE!" as you drive off into the horizon.

I'm out of likes, but that's GREAT. haha