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[dutch_gamer]

I've never got involved with any of the Cullen discussions beyond showing an interest in how he'll develop after his experiences in both Ferelden and Kirkwall, but I feel like I should give Cullen-fans some fair warning.

 

He's been placed on a very high pedestal by so many that it's impossible for Bioware to make him everything every Cullen fan wants him to be. He may develop in a way, or react to the events in Inquisition in a way that fans don't expect, and we may not get everything we expect. 

 

I'm reasonably sure that no matter what happens, some fans are going to be unhappy simply because Bioware can't fulfill all expectations. 

I have mentioned something similar in another thread concerning the "Cullen fanservice". Heck, I am of the believe that Varric is in a similar situation. It is very difficult to meet the expectations of super fans of a particular character without some ending up hugely disappointed. I much rather only see new characters as love interests and/or companions so you can't "hurt" the feelings of anyone if a character turns out differently than expected. My stance also involves not telling too much about new companions as not to set any expectations about them either. I think a part of the backlash to games lately is due to giving out way too much information before release.

[Lorien19]

Not gonna lie, I thought you were better than that.

I know...It's my shame to bear...*dramatic music*

[R2s Muse]

I've never got involved with any of the Cullen discussions beyond showing an interest in how he'll develop after his experiences in both Ferelden and Kirkwall, but I feel like I should give Cullen-fans some fair warning.
 
He's been placed on a very high pedestal by so many that it's impossible for Bioware to make him everything every Cullen fan wants him to be. He may develop in a way, or react to the events in Inquisition in a way that fans don't expect, and we may not get everything we expect. 
 
I'm reasonably sure that no matter what happens, some fans are going to be unhappy simply because Bioware can't fulfill all expectations.

I don't think we need to patronize the Cullen fans as a misguided group putting the undeserving on pedestals, particularly since every individual has their own expectations that may or may not be met. Any fan of any character has to manage their own expectations. But I'll take the intent as friendly.

[R2s Muse]

The following was stated this weekend. So I just doubt they would answer that particular question at today's Q & A.:
 
User
@Mike_Laidlaw @bioware @davidgaider If Cullen was announced as a romance, why can't we know if he's a companion or just an NPC?
 
David Gaider ‏@davidgaider[/size]  4h
@User @Mike_Laidlaw @bioware Just because we give some info, doesn't mean we give *all* the info. Sorry, but more will come in time.
 
I also think that if it is truly 3/3/3 it will still not answer the question considering the unknown status of the bearded grey warden.

Ah thanks for this! I hadn't seen it.

[Phate Phoenix]

I wonder... If he's a regular companion, I would expect they would just answer "yes." If he's somehow the first DA non-party based NPC romance...? I bet they remain mysterious and wait to explain that one with proper pomp and circumstance at some later time T.

 

Of the two, I would expect them to announce him being a companion romance over him being an NPC romance, simply because that would also announce NPC romances. Truthfully, I expect them to give no confirmation of Cullen's specific status either way. For reasons I've stated in this thread. 

[Innsmouth Dweller]

Kind of like the ME3 section, leading up to the game's release, everyone was happy that it was going to be here, then the game was released and there was massive fan rage, some demanding an complete retcon of the whole ending, and even a few fans were demanding the resignation of Bioware employees, and I saw some people even said one of the writers deserved to die, and when Casey Hudson and others came in and tried to talk to the fans, they were called liars point-blank, fans refused to listen to what they had to say, and when the Mass Effect devs stopped talking to fans, fans said they were pouting. And when they announced they were extending the ending for free, they were still criticized because it wasn't a retconned ending. 

 

It's why I stopped posting in the Mass Effect section. It was too poisonous an environment that you couldn't make any reasonable statement without being attacked. 

 

I'm just saying that I'm hoping the same thing doesn't happen here. Cullen seems like a really cool guy. He's experienced the worst of blood mages and served under the worst of templars. His development will be fascinating to see.

 

I know it's been more or less confirmed he's romanceable, but how many fans will rage if he's not playersexual and is strictly hetero? Or vice-versa?

 

But yeah, Cullen is a cool guy, but I've seen so many Cullen threads (this is the third version on the new forum) and while very popular, it is impossible for him to be everything for everyone. 

 

But yeah, based on the latest comments that have been posted while I've been writing this, I have a lot more hope that DA fans are more reasonable than ME fans. 

that really happened?! in ME forum, i mean. huh. flaming ppl (for creating one of the most amazing gamer's experiences) over a 10 minutes of a game?

huh, and here i thought i was immature.

 

about Cullen and the "head canons"... i cannot say for everyone but as much as i like the guy, i'd even enjoy the idea of him being "the bad guy", well... as long as there is some interesting story behind it.

[dragonflight288]

I don't think we need to patronize the Cullen fans as a misguided group putting the undeserving on pedestals, particularly since every individual has their own expectations that may or may not be met. Any fan of any character has to manage their own expectations. But I'll take the intent as friendly.

 

Umm...I wasn't patronizing them, simply pointing out that Cullen has been placed on a high pedestal, has so many fans that it'll be impossible to please every one of them. 

[dragonflight288]

that really happened?! in ME forum, i mean. huh. flaming ppl (for creating one of the most amazing gamer's experiences) over a 10 minutes of a game?

huh, and here i thought i was immature.

 

 

Yes, that really happened. 

[Lorien19]

I know, but I know from experience here on the forums that the Forum can be quite fickle. 

 

Kind of like the ME3 section, leading up to the game's release, everyone was happy that it was going to be here, then the game was released and there was massive fan rage, some demanding an complete retcon of the whole ending, and even a few fans were demanding the resignation of Bioware employees, and I saw some people even said one of the writers deserved to die, and when Casey Hudson and others came in and tried to talk to the fans, they were called liars point-blank, fans refused to listen to what they had to say, and when the Mass Effect devs stopped talking to fans, fans said they were pouting. And when they announced they were extending the ending for free, they were still criticized because it wasn't a retconned ending. 

 

It's why I stopped posting in the Mass Effect section. It was too poisonous an environment that you couldn't make any reasonable statement without being attacked. 

 

I'm just saying that I'm hoping the same thing doesn't happen here. Cullen seems like a really cool guy. He's experienced the worst of blood mages and served under the worst of templars. His development will be fascinating to see.

 

I know it's been more or less confirmed he's romanceable, but how many fans will rage if he's not playersexual and is strictly hetero? Or vice-versa?

 

But yeah, Cullen is a cool guy, but I've seen so many Cullen threads (this is the third version on the new forum) and while very popular, it is impossible for him to be everything for everyone. 

 

But yeah, based on the latest comments that have been posted while I've been writing this, I have a lot more hope that DA fans are more reasonable than ME fans. 

Well to be honest speculation =/ expectation,we need something to talk about until the game is released and for us who like Cullen then Cullen it is,as far as the fans are concerned from what I've seen so far I haven't gotten the impression that any of us has any kind of  headcanon or very strong opinion about his possible development as a character,we've been pretty flexible about it so far and to be honest some of us didn't even expect him to play a bigger part than just say  a cameo, yet so far we've been pleasantly surprised. So no really need to worry about it,although I can't speak for everyone...

[MacyNell]

I can't speak for the Cullen fans outside of our thread(s) but the majority of us in here are pretty chilled when it comes to what his story arc will be like. I mean, we've pretty much speculated every possible outcome (from good to bad) just to give us something to talk about so whatever they do won't come as a surprise at all, lol.

 

Of course, there will always be some crazies in every fandom but that's to be expected, lol.

 

 

I know, but I know from experience here on the forums that the Forum can be quite fickle. 

 

Kind of like the ME3 section, leading up to the game's release, everyone was happy that it was going to be here, then the game was released and there was massive fan rage, some demanding an complete retcon of the whole ending, and even a few fans were demanding the resignation of Bioware employees, and I saw some people even said one of the writers deserved to die, and when Casey Hudson and others came in and tried to talk to the fans, they were called liars point-blank, fans refused to listen to what they had to say, and when the Mass Effect devs stopped talking to fans, fans said they were pouting. And when they announced they were extending the ending for free, they were still criticized because it wasn't a retconned ending. 

 

It's why I stopped posting in the Mass Effect section. It was too poisonous an environment that you couldn't make any reasonable statement without being attacked. 

 

I'm just saying that I'm hoping the same thing doesn't happen here. Cullen seems like a really cool guy. He's experienced the worst of blood mages and served under the worst of templars. His development will be fascinating to see.

 

I know it's been more or less confirmed he's romanceable, but how many fans will rage if he's not playersexual and is strictly hetero? Or vice-versa?

 

But yeah, Cullen is a cool guy, but I've seen so many Cullen threads (this is the third version on the new forum) and while very popular, it is impossible for him to be everything for everyone. 

 

But yeah, based on the latest comments that have been posted while I've been writing this, I have a lot more hope that DA fans are more reasonable than ME fans. 

 

 

I don't think we need to patronize the Cullen fans as a misguided group putting the undeserving on pedestals, particularly since every individual has their own expectations that may or may not be met. Any fan of any character has to manage their own expectations. But I'll take the intent as friendly.

 

 

Of the two, I would expect them to announce him being a companion romance over him being an NPC romance, simply because that would also announce NPC romances. Truthfully, I expect them to give no confirmation of Cullen's specific status either way. For reasons I've stated in this thread. 

 

LIKING ALL THE POSTS!

[Lorien19]

LIKING ALL THE POSTS!

Lmao!Someone should give Macy's Likes back!

[MacyNell]

Lmao!Someone should give Macy's Likes back!

 Yes!  please?     

[Phate Phoenix]

Well to be honest speculation =/ expectation,we need something to talk about until the game is released and for us who like Cullen then Cullen it is,as far as the fans are concerned from what I've seen so far I haven't gotten the impression that any of us has any kind of  headcanon or very strong opinion about his possible development as a character,we've been pretty flexible about it so far and to be honest some of us didn't even expect him to play a bigger part than just say  a cameo, yet so far we've been pleasantly surprised. So no really need to worry about it,although I can't speak for everyone...

Ha, honestly I think quite a few of us keep the hype in check by popping balloons when needed to. 

 

We're careful not to let headcanon get away from us. Or, at least, I am. Did that once, no, twice, and that is not a fun wake-up noise.

[Owlfruit Potion]

So at the Q&A today, is Ashe asking whether Cullen will be a companion or whether it's 3/3/3? Because if she can get Cullen confirmed, I think it would answer the 3/3/3 thing as well as alleviate/exacerbate other concerns about the other companions and their romances.

 

Wait, there's another Q&A today? A friend of my husband's couldn't use her Sunday PAX ticket and gave it to him, and he's missing my last game of the season to go, so he offered to go to the Open World of Thedas and Exploring the ME Universe things for me if he can get in. Is one of those the Q&A?

[Scroll]

Let's not discuss the Cullen fans (or any fans) and instead discuss Cullen. Mmmkay?

[Divine Justinia V]

Wait, there's another Q&A today? A friend of my husband's couldn't use her Sunday PAX ticket and gave it to him, and he's missing my last game of the season to go, so he agreed to go to the Open World of Thedas and Exploring the ME Universe things for me if he can get in. Is one of those the Q&A?

 

Not to my knowledge, no.

[R2s Muse]

Umm...I wasn't patronizing them, simply pointing out that Cullen has been placed on a high pedestal, has so many fans that it'll be impossible to please every one of them.

I agree. It's impossible to meet the expectations of any fan group. I guess we've just so often heard this, even from David Gaider and his pitchfork comments, when I've also seen the wide variety of expectations, speculations, headcanons, over the past 3 years. But there will inevitably be folks disappointed.

[Owlfruit Potion]

Not to my knowledge, no.

 

OK, cool. At this point I don't think we're going to hear much new information about characters from a Q&A, so I'd rather hear more about environments, etc. anyhow.

[Divine Justinia V]

OK, cool. At this point I don't think we're going to hear much new information about characters from a Q&A, so I'd rather hear more about environments, etc. anyhow.

 

I'm heading down to the lobby now so I can shoot you a message if otherwise

[Phate Phoenix]

Ha, honestly I think quite a few of us keep the hype in check by popping balloons when needed to. 

 

We're careful not to let headcanon get away from us. Or, at least, I am. Did that once, no, twice, and that is not a fun wake-up noise.

 

Agreed!

 

Uh.

 

What was the topic again?

 

The likelihood of Cullen being announced at PAX as companion/NPC? Right.

 

So. I don't think any clarifying announcement is in-coming, at least in regards to Cullen's status.

 

You want to be sneaky? Ask what kind of weapon Cullen uses.

[Potato Cat]

Not to my knowledge, no.

Huh, sure I read somewhere there was...

[Owlfruit Potion]

I'm heading down to the lobby now so I can shoot you a message if otherwise

 

Eh, I don't want to micromanage his time too much. I'm sure if there's anything cool that he can't make it to we'll hear all about it from you and other Dragon Age fans there!

[MacyNell]

Agreed!

 

Uh.

 

What was the topic again?

 

The likelihood of Cullen being announced at PAX as companion/NPC? Right.

 

So. I don't think any clarifying announcement is in-coming, at least in regards to Cullen's status.

 

You want to be sneaky? Ask what kind of weapon Cullen uses.

 

Stealth.  I like it.  

[R2s Muse]

Huh, sure I read somewhere there was...

I guess I thought one of the panels today was also abt DAI. :shrug: dunno.

[Phate Phoenix]

Stealth.  I like it.  

 

It's a perfectly logical question. Cullen was two-handed in DAO, and sword-and-board in DA2. Well, now what is he? [INNOCENT BLINKING]