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[R2s Muse]

Cool your jets, starfighter, this ain't Once Upon a Time.

 

However, I did kind of wonder that once.

 

And by once, I mean yesterday.

But, isn't everyone related to everyone in Thedas...?  (where's my halo smilie??) 

[Sifr]

And he was right, all along, about the remaining mages being possessed! They took their time after the Warden left and finally managed to break him while he slept. When he rose again, he wasn't Cullen anymore. *snerk* And he's been busy seeding demons everywhere!

 

*hides*

 

Cul-dred was the one who taught the Blood Magic to Orsino and is secretly the Big Bad who wants the breach to open. And if the devs are right about the hidden enemy attacking our own Keep, that's also how he knows where we live! I freaking knew it!

 

This is true on Earth (western civilization at least). Is it true on Thedas?

 

On Earth it is a patriarchal tradition; at least, that's where it stems from. It is a reminder that there was a time when women were considered the property of their fathers and their husbands.

 

Well, while Aveline's father was probably one of the good guys, given some of the things we hear some of the Chevalier's getting upto and their tendency to invoke droit du siegneur, I'm just going to say that maybe male Orlesians aren't exactly progressives when it comes to women's rights, despite having women in charge of both their Chantry and their Empire.

 

Edit: And as SamaraDraven mentioned (and I had forgotten about), Aveline the female knight is a prime example of this kind of misogyny in action within Orlais and why it took a while before women were even allowed to fight in the military.

 

But while I agree with you from a world-building standpoint that the rules and customs of Thedas shouldn't necessary follow our own, maybe we're just scrutinising things a little too much? It's like if we stop and consider that while lanterns do exist and presumably do have posts which might be made of metal, a lamp-post as we know it, probably doesn't exist in Thedas for Alistair to make his infamous bit of innuendo?

[CuriousArtemis]

The world building is very inconsistent that way, TBH. Women and men are equal, except for the many times they're not. Like when they describe how odd Rowan is for being a knight. Or Alistair's comments about women in the Grey Wardens. That still bugs me. 

 

Yeah, DA:O's kind of the worst offender since it was done in 2009 (or before, really).

 

In Thedas women and men weren't always equals (the chevaliers were only male before the legendary Aveline, for example).
It was stated in the lore that now in Thedas women and men are equal, though it should be noted that the surname thing was already present in DAO. Eleanor Cousland took Bryce's family name.
There Are still some differences between men and women, as R2 Muse pointed out.

 

Well that sucks. 

[CuriousArtemis]

And our Aveline chose to observe the tradition for personal reasons. We just don't know that much about their marriage lore or what Aveline's reasons were.

 

Yeah The thing is, I'd like to believe it was "for personal reasons" and that it was a conscious decision of the writers. But I have a suspicion they just gave her the same last name as her husband because, duh, married woman has husband's name.

[jtav]

There are what feels like a lot of snide comments and sexual harassment in DAO. In ME as well, but it doesn't seem as frequent or as early, That and the sheer headache of romancing Alistair--who is a sweetheart but getting a happy ending with him is way harder than Morrigan--are why I default to a male Warden unless I have a brilliant f!Warden concept.

[ChachiBobinks]

That's probably Carroll; his obsession has leveled up. He transferred to Kirkwall to spy on be with his crush and does his hair exactly like Cullen.

 

Darn it, Carroll.

 

But, isn't everyone related to everyone in Thedas...?  (where's my halo smilie??) 

 

Cool your jets, starfighter, this ain't Arkansas. Just kidding, just kidding.

[CuriousArtemis]

But while I agree with you from a world-building standpoint that the rules and customs of Thedas shouldn't necessary follow our own, maybe we're just scrutinising things a little too much? It's like if we stop and consider that while lanterns do exist and presumably do have posts which might be made of metal, a lamp-post as we know it, probably doesn't exist in Thedas for Alistair to make his infamous bit of innuendo?

 

Yeah but I would consider something like, "can lanterns as we know them exist in this world" less of a pressing case to ponder than "did the writers base the history of Thedas on the patriarchy of western civilization lol

 

Also, over-analyzing things is kind of my thing  I don't know how to just smile and move on

[Potato Cat]

In Thedas women and men weren't always equals (the chevaliers were only male before the legendary Aveline, for example).
It was stated in the lore that now in Thedas women and men are equal, though it should be noted that the surname thing was already present in DAO. Eleanor Cousland took Bryce's family name.
There Are still some differences between men and women, as R2 Muse pointed out.

Maevaris seems to have kept her name. I doubt a dwarf will have been called Tilani. Probably among the nobles, it's all to do with the kind of marriage they have.

[Lorien19]

No mole? Oh wow, I just had a horrible thought... what if Cullen's dead and we've been infatuated with an imposter this entire time, someone like Uldred who was simply pretending to be our good Templar? Considering we first meet him in DA2 when someone is once again putting demons into people...

 

*Puts on his conspiracy tin-foil hat... reinforced with a hard hat to prevent things being thrown at him*

 

[LolaLei]

@ellisgreg: I am informed that #Cullen has only 1 name.

Is it a first or last name?

#Cullentites
#DAI

 

Not gonna lie, I've been hoping he was a commoner with no last name. Of course, it could be that GE has been informed by a fan that so far Cullen hasn't had his last name mentioned? We'll need to probe him further, methinks.

 

In regards to Gaider's tweet saying "so THAT's Cullen last name" it could've been a joke? Like, he doesn't have a Surname so it's literally nothing, therefore it's just Cullen... so basically DG was being sarcastic, lol.

[CuriousArtemis]

Maevaris seems to have kept her name. I doubt a dwarf will have been called Tilani. Probably among the nobles, it's all to do with the kind of marriage they have.

 

Now wouldn't it be something if Tevinter, as awful as it is, proved to be the most progressive country in terms of equality between the sexes? That would present a moral quandary for me as a player, and I love that!

[SamaraDraven]

Yeah The thing is, I'd like to believe it was "for personal reasons" and that it was a conscious decision of the writers. But I have a suspicion they just gave her the same last name as her husband because, duh, married woman has husband's name.

 

*snicker* That made me laugh more than I was expecting. That's probably it. Writers write what they know, even when they're making sh!t up as they go along.

 

In my fic "Collide" (which I will post chapter 3 of! Someday...) Because of... reasons.... there's a marriage and Cullen has to take his spouse's name!

[R2s Muse]

Yeah, DA:O's kind of the worst offender since it was done in 2009 (or before, really).

There are what feels like a lot of snide comments and sexual harassment in DAO. In ME as well, but it doesn't seem as frequent or as early, That and the sheer headache of romancing Alistair--who is a sweetheart but getting a happy ending with him is way harder than Morrigan--are why I default to a male Warden unless I have a brilliant f!Warden concept.

Yeah, I felt a little of it bled through into TME, too. I think it's just too hard to totally divorce yourself from the cultural touchstones of your own life, sometimes, like expecting scientists to be male and wear labcoats. (**R2 now steps away physically from her many soapboxes on the topic**).

[SamaraDraven]

Cul-dred was the one who taught the Blood Magic to Orsino and is secretly the Big Bad who wants the breach to open. And if the devs are right about the hidden enemy attacking our own Keep, that's also how he knows where we live! I freaking knew it!

 

 

OMG! We're sleeping with the devil! Sometimes literally!

 

*snerk*

 

 

Bonus points for Hiddles! My celebrity twin    - it's been a while I've seen his face. He must be hiding and fandom has cooled down. For now...

[SamaraDraven]

Now wouldn't it be something if Tevinter, as awful as it is, proved to be the most progressive country in terms of equality between the sexes? That would present a moral quandary for me as a player, and I love that!

 

That would be mind blowing! Like gender doesn't matter - only power and ruthlessness do.

[Hellion Rex]

Not gonna lie, I've been hoping he was a commoner with no last name. Of course, it could be that GE has been informed by a fan that so far Cullen hasn't had his last name mentioned? We'll need to probe him further, methinks.

 

In regards to Gaider's tweet saying "so THAT's Cullen last name" it could've been a joke? Like, he doesn't have a Surname so it's literally nothing, therefore it's just Cullen... so basically DG was being sarcastic, lol.

Wait, wait, wait...what if Cullen is the son of a mage that gave birth in the Circle? He would have no last name, and would have been raised by the Chantry, and then raised by the Templars...

[LazyNinjaArtist]

Something that I am wondering is how Cullen will interact with Varric and Dwarf!Inquisitior. Playing DA:O recently, I got the sense that he didn't really seem to like dwarves while interacting with Oghren. Oghren said something about needing a stiff drink and Cullen says (very snidely, I might add):

 

"That was inappropriate, dwarf. But what do you expect from a bunch of cave-dwelling heathens?"

 

Is this really his thought on dwarves, or is it just Oghren? Sure, his opinions could have evolved throughout the events of DA2, but it's something to ponder. 

[Hellion Rex]

Now wouldn't it be something if Tevinter, as awful as it is, proved to be the most progressive country in terms of equality between the sexes? That would present a moral quandary for me as a player, and I love that!

I think that in Tevinter, all that matters is how much magical power one has, regardless of gender or sexual orientation.

[Galagraphia]

Wow, I'm not sure if you guys are serious or joking I see nothing wrong with changing surnames, I think it's actually kind of cute that Aveline did that (Leandra didn't I think, everyone still calls her Amell). I think it's a secret tender side of Aveline, and it shows in small details like these Maybe for her it's a symbol that she starts a new happy life, or maybe she just wants to show her husband how much she appreciates him and their new family.

[CuriousArtemis]

Something that I am wondering is how Cullen will interact with Varric and Dwarf!Inquisitior. Playing DA:O recently, I got the sense that he didn't really seem to like dwarves while interacting with Oghren. 

 

Would you like interacting with Oghren?

 

I mean that's like Zach Galifianakis being chosen to represent the human race.

[Potato Cat]

Now wouldn't it be something if Tevinter, as awful as it is, proved to be the most progressive country in terms of equality between the sexes? That would present a moral quandary for me as a player, and I love that!

No I think it's true for all nobles. Mae was just the first to come to mind. In the case of the Couslands, Bryce was the Teryn, therefore Eleanor took his name because he had more political power. With Revka Amell, (Human Mage's mother), she obviously kept her name and passed it on, so she may have married someone of lower rank. I think if Celene and Cailan did get married, her higher rank as Empress would have meant it was her name that was passed on, the children would have been of her dynasty.

[Phate Phoenix]

Not gonna lie, I've been hoping he was a commoner with no last name. Of course, it could be that GE has been informed by a fan that so far Cullen hasn't had his last name mentioned? We'll need to probe him further, methinks.

 

In regards to Gaider's tweet saying "so THAT's Cullen last name" it could've been a joke? Like, he doesn't have a Surname so it's literally nothing, therefore it's just Cullen... so basically DG was being sarcastic, lol.

 

I like the idea of Cullen having no last name, too, actually. (Which must sound odd, as I've been the one salivating at finding out what his last name, if there is one.) It adds to his character, that Cullen was literally a nobody before all this crap happened to him. And now, here he is. Helping save Thedas.

 

It makes me gleeful. 

[LolaLei]

Wait, wait, wait...what if Cullen is the son of a mage that gave birth in the Circle? He would have no last name, and would have been raised by the Chantry, and then raised by the Templars...

 

We came up with a theory about that a long time ago in which the Templar's killed his apostate mage mother with baby Cullen in tow, then sent the newly orphaned baby to the Chantry to grow up and when he came of age the Chantry put him forward for Templar training. Imagine how much of a head **** he'd have finding that one out!

[LolaLei]

I like the idea of Cullen having no last name, too, actually. (Which must sound odd, as I've been the one salivating at finding out what his last name, if there is one.) It adds to his character, that Cullen was literally a nobody before all this crap happened to him. And now, here he is. Helping save Thedas.

 

It makes me gleeful. 

 

Gotta love an under dog story!

[CuriousArtemis]

No I think it's true for all nobles. Mae was just the first to come to mind. In the case of the Couslands, Bryce was the Teryn, therefore Eleanor took his name because he had more political power. With Revka Amell, (Human Mage's mother), she obviously kept her name and passed it on, so she may have married someone of lower rank. I think if Celene and Cailan did get married, her higher rank as Empress would have meant it was her name that was passed on, the children would have been of her dynasty.

 

I think that's how English nobility worked/works, too, not sure though.