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[wiccame]

Somebody should just link GE to the relevant Cullen-related videos from DAO. Save the man 40 hours.

That just isn't the same. Sure he'd get to see what he's been voicing all this time, but without context its empty. 

[Sister Goldring]

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You guys!  I'll try to restrain myself from the surgeons knife, at least.  

 

Yeah, it'll probably be an adventure anyway.  Problem is that I'm not really very adventurous outside of RPGs, so I'm 'fraidy catting out a little at the moment.  Hawke would be disgusted with me, that's for certain anyway.

 

Thanks for the link - I am lucky to be a part of the always awesome and supportive Cullen-thread. 

[LolaLei]

GE is really getting into this whole Cullen fandom thing, isn't he! I guess he wants to play because he's curious about all the attention one of his minor characters has been getting... well, that and he probably can't remember any of Cullen's backstory without the script prompts and description from Cullen's writer, LOL!

[Galagraphia]

I really don't see a bright future for Cullen, if he lets Anders go. His only excuse would be that he didn't know, that Anders was responsible for the Chantry's blow. But would the authorities listen?

 

Edit: nah, the possibility of him not knowing is too small. Meredith has had enough time to tell him. In that case Cullen should be stripped from his duties, if not executed, by both civil and Chantry laws.

Actually, it's totally possible that he didn't know Anders did it. Meredith was too quick to blame the Circle for what an apostate did, and she could have "forgotten" to mention that to Cullen and other templars, because having doubts before the Annulment could weaken her men's morale. She probably said to her men that a mage murdered the High Cleric, let's kill all mages, something like that.

I believe Cullen didn't know, because, considering how lawful he is, he would have tried to stop Anders from leaving if he did. I wonder if he himself will explain this part in DAI, I'm curious what was he thinking. To me it always looked like Cullen's common sense told him that starting another fight would be a bad idea, because they still had a Circle and a city in chaos, and dealing with this was more important, than trying to capture the Champion, who has never been the city's enemy.

I believe Justinia would summon Cullen to report everything personally, or maybe she sent Cassandra to investigate, but Cullen's story didn't make much sense to Cass, because it was probably something like this:

"There was this Hawke, and one day turned out she was an apostate, and we all were like, "Wow, really?" But Knight-Commander said, no, we can't touch her, she's too important now. Let's keep an eye on her. And then one day, when I was sharpening my pencil, I heard a big BOOM, and everybody ran into the courtyard, and we saw a huge purple cloud above the city. And then First Enchanter Orsino showed up, and gathered his men. I tried to get answers from him, but all he said was, "You'll see!" and then Meredith arrived, and she said Orsino and his mages blew up the Chantry, with everybody inside, including the Grand Cleric, and so she invoked the Rite of Annulment. And then we stormed the tower. And turned out the Champion, Hawke, was helping Orsino, so I asked, what will we do with the Champion? And she said, oh, we can't do anything really, let's arrest her, and then find out if she was a part of the mage conspiracy. And I said ok. And then the Champion came out of the Tower and said, that Orsino killed himself. And then Meredith said, ok, let's kill the Champion! And I said, no, we can't do that without a trial! And then she went crazy, and started to glow, and her sword came alive, and the dwarf, Varric, said something about some idol, and then statues attacked us too, and it was a mess. In the end Meredith... exploded, and turned into a statue. It doesn't make any sense to you, does it?" And Cassandra shook her head and said, "Absolutely no sense. What did you say about the dwarf?" And then Cassandra went after Varric, and he told her his story.

I mean, Cullen didn't know the answers Cassandra was looking for. He probably found out Anders was the one who started this by the time the Seeker arrived, but he had no idea where the red lyrium sword came from, or that there was no conspiracy, there was just Anders. So even if Cassandra questioned Cullen, she still needed Varric to tell her the whole story.

And after that she would have no reason to arrest Cullen, because she's not looking for Hawke to execute her/him, she needs their help. And maybe she decided to recruit Cullen, because he was a decent templar with skills and brains, and the Seekers could use them? And the Divine would have liked Cullen too, I think. And maybe when some templars started breaking away from the Chantry, the Divine charged Cullen with a task to unite the loyal ones together.

[Kirrahe1]

@ galagraphia
Lol! I love your version of Cullen's story! "It was confusing madness I tell you! Madness!"

Although I would think he'd probably deliver it much more military and thorough!
Like, he might have reports he sent to Meredith about when he and Hawke met, and he could probably go into better detail about how and when Hawke invoked themselves with the templars and Cullen's personal interaction with Hawke. Also if you play a Hawke who goes and warns cullen about Anders he really has no excuse! Anders in the background of your party "HEY!"
.....Unless he was pulling the ole' innocent doe eyes on her.
"What, me? No I'm not to blame for any of this, I'm just a sweet innocent chantry raised boy!"

[MacyNell]

Actually, it's totally possible that he didn't know Anders did it. Meredith was too quick to blame the Circle for what an apostate did, and she could have "forgotten" to mention that to Cullen and other templars, because having doubts before the Annulment could weaken her men's morale. She probably said to her men that a mage murdered the High Cleric, let's kill all mages, something like that.

I believe Cullen didn't know, because, considering how lawful he is, he would have tried to stop Anders from leaving if he did. I wonder if he himself will explain this part in DAI, I'm curious what was he thinking. To me it always looked like Cullen's common sense told him that starting another fight would be a bad idea, because they still had a Circle and a city in chaos, and dealing with this was more important, than trying to capture the Champion, who has never been the city's enemy.

I believe Justinia would summon Cullen to report everything personally, or maybe she sent Cassandra to investigate, but Cullen's story didn't make much sense to Cass, because it was probably something like this:

"There was this Hawke, and one day turned out she was an apostate, and we all were like, "Wow, really?" But Knight-Commander said, no, we can't touch her, she's too important now. Let's keep an eye on her. And then one day, when I was sharpening my pencil, I heard a big BOOM, and everybody ran into the courtyard, and we saw a huge purple cloud above the city. And then First Enchanter Orsino showed up, and gathered his men. I tried to get answers from him, but all he said was, "You'll see!" and then Meredith arrived, and she said Orsino and his mages blew up the Chantry, with everybody inside, including the Grand Cleric, and so she invoked the Rite of Annulment. And then we stormed the tower. And turned out the Champion, Hawke, was helping Orsino, so I asked, what will we do with the Champion? And she said, oh, we can't do anything really, let's arrest her, and then find out if she was a part of the mage conspiracy. And I said ok. And then the Champion came out of the Tower and said, that Orsino killed himself. And then Meredith said, ok, let's kill the Champion! And I said, no, we can't do that without a trial! And then she went crazy, and started to glow, and her sword came alive, and the dwarf, Varric, said something about some idol, and then statues attacked us too, and it was a mess. In the end Meredith... exploded, and turned into a statue. It doesn't make any sense to you, does it?" And Cassandra shook her head and said, "Absolutely no sense. What did you say about the dwarf?" And then Cassandra went after Varric, and he told her his story.

I mean, Cullen didn't know the answers Cassandra was looking for. He probably found out Anders was the one who started this by the time the Seeker arrived, but he had no idea where the red lyrium sword came from, or that there was no conspiracy, there was just Anders. So even if Cassandra questioned Cullen, she still needed Varric to tell her the whole story.

And after that she would have no reason to arrest Cullen, because she's not looking for Hawke to execute her/him, she needs their help. And maybe she decided to recruit Cullen, because he was a decent templar with skills and brains, and the Seekers could use them? And the Divine would have liked Cullen too, I think. And maybe when some templars started breaking away from the Chantry, the Divine charged Cullen with a task to unite the loyal ones together.

 

Yeah.  ^PRETTY MUCH THIS^  You mention something at the end that I have also been thinking about.  Perhaps the Seekers do want to recruit Cullen and are in the process of it when the huge explosion/event happens.  Maybe at that point he chooses to serve the Inquisition instead, since everything is thrown into chaos and the need for someone to step up is obvious.  Idk.  Just trying to think outside the box....

[renfrees]

If Meredith lied, then yes - it's possible he didn't know at the moment, when Hawke was leaving. But with Anders shouting in the middle of Lowtown, no way he wouldn't know it shortly afterwards. Must have been tough for his moral and duty principles, knowing that he let person, responsible for blowing the Chantry, go unscathed.

[Galagraphia]

Although I would think he'd probably deliver it much more military and thorough!

I was joking Of course I expect Cullen to be very cooperative with Cassandra, and he probably told her everything he knew, including the rumors and things he discovered himself (because I suspect he tried to investigate what's happened before she arrived). And then he probably made a sad puppy face, and told her that if she finds him guilty, then he will face whatever punishment they see fit, but Cass probably decided that a loyal man like Cullen should not be wasted on such nonsense as punishments

Snitching up on Anders... I wish they had cut it out, it was making absolutely no sense to me. Not the snitching, but the fact that Cullen ignored it. There should have been a dramatical cut scene of Anders' epic escape after you reveal his plans to Cullen. But what really happened looked like Cullen was high that day. "Mage? What mage? M'kay, I'll do something about it... later."

Of course, it was just Varric's story, we don't know what really happened. Maybe there was an epic escape, but Varric forgot to mention it.

[Galagraphia]

If Meredith lied, then yes - it's possible he didn't know at the moment, when Hawke was leaving. But with Anders shouting in the middle of Lowtown, no way he wouldn't know it shortly afterwards. Must have been tough for his moral and duty principles, knowing that he let person, responsible for blowing the Chantry, go unscathed.

Yes, I imagine when he found out, he was all like, "Oh, Maker! What have I done? What if he kills again???"

And maybe then Cullen even tried to hunt Anders down, and he took a group of loyal templars with him, and they left Kirkwall to try to find Anders (maybe even requested his phylactery from Denerim), and while they were away, the red-lyrium-dead-Meredith-thing began corrupting the templars who remained in the Gallows, and that's how the Red Templars happened.

[Ophidiae]

My first Hawke was stupidly in love with Anders, and would have happily roasted marshmallows in the Chantry's smoldering ashes. When Cullen let him and his merry band of miscreants walk out of the Gallows at the end of the game, I took that as Cullen deciding discretion was the better part of valor. Meaning he wanted to get himself and what remained of his men out of that encounter alive.  Because let's face it; no matter what class you play, Hawke and friends are scary freaking badasses at that point, plus they potentially have a LOT of allies who show up to help with Meredith.

 

As for the whole turning Anders over to the templars thing ... I'll never understand why you couldn't turn him in, and then hear through the grapevine later that he had escaped from custody. I mean, it's Anders. Escaping is kind of his thing, you know? Plus, he probably knew every secret way in and out of the Gallows by that point, courtesy of his work with the Mage Underground. So, why not let Hawke turn him in? That way, a pro-Templar Hawke could feel like they'd done everything they could to stop him, and Anders would still be free to show up at the end for the earth-shattering ka-BOOM.

 

*Edited for spelling errors.

[renfrees]

As for the whole turning Anders over to the templars thing ... I'll never understand why you couldn't turn him in, and then hear through the grapevine later that he had escaped from custody. I mean, it's Anders. Escaping is kind of his thing, you know? Plus, he probably knew every secret way in and out of the Gallows by that point, courtesy of his work with the Mage Underground. So, why not let Hawke turn him in? That way, a pro-Templar Hawke could feel like they'd done everything they could to stop him, and Anders would still be free to show up at the end for the earth-shattering ka-BOOM.

I blame short timeline, they cut too many things out, and as a result - many other things doesn't make sense in DAII.

[Panda]

I was joking Of course I expect Cullen to be very cooperative with Cassandra, and he probably told her everything he knew, including the rumors and things he discovered himself (because I suspect he tried to investigate what's happened before she arrived). And then he probably made a sad puppy face, and told her that if she finds him guilty, then he will face whatever punishment they see fit, but Cass probably decided that a loyal man like Cullen should not be wasted on such nonsense as punishments

Snitching up on Anders... I wish they had cut it out, it was making absolutely no sense to me. Not the snitching, but the fact that Cullen ignored it. There should have been a dramatical cut scene of Anders' epic escape after you reveal his plans to Cullen. But what really happened looked like Cullen was high that day. "Mage? What mage? M'kay, I'll do something about it... later."

Of course, it was just Varric's story, we don't know what really happened. Maybe there was an epic escape, but Varric forgot to mention it.

 

I remember mention of it thought.. that he later on went with some templars to arrest him in the darktown but they didn't find him.

[R2s Muse]

Actually, it's totally possible that he didn't know Anders did it. Meredith was too quick to blame the Circle for what an apostate did, and she could have "forgotten" to mention that to Cullen and other templars, because having doubts before the Annulment could weaken her men's morale. She probably said to her men that a mage murdered the High Cleric, let's kill all mages, something like that.

I believe Cullen didn't know, because, considering how lawful he is, he would have tried to stop Anders from leaving if he did. I wonder if he himself will explain this part in DAI, I'm curious what was he thinking. To me it always looked like Cullen's common sense told him that starting another fight would be a bad idea, because they still had a Circle and a city in chaos, and dealing with this was more important, than trying to capture the Champion, who has never been the city's enemy.
I believe Justinia would summon Cullen to report everything personally, or maybe she sent Cassandra to investigate, but Cullen's story didn't make much sense to Cass, because it was probably something like this:

I agree that it's likely Cullen had no idea about Anders. It's easy to forget he wasn't there with Hawke, Mer, etc when the Chantry blew up. It's unclear if there was time for debriefs with Meredith in the ensuing chaos. There's also a big open variable on whether you kill or dismiss Anders or what in that scene, so there's no saying Anders is even around anymore afterward. Also agree that Cullen would have wanted some justice to be done.

I honestly can't see how Cassandra could have talked to Cullen before Varric, however. She doesn't even know the basic facts of what happened, let alone the details. She has some strange theories about how all the companions knew each other in Ferelden and all came over to overthrow Meredith or something. After seven years, I'd expect Cullen knows quite a bit more about Hawke than that. Now granted, Cass was originally looking to find Hawke and so may not have known that she didn't have the whole story, so it's possible she just didn't ask the right questions. But I think if there were any formal reporting to the Divine about what happened from someone like Cullen, who was actually there, Cass would have been way more clued in. I think this is actually a logic hole in the framed narrative, TBH. Esp since Cass isn't asking these questions until 3 years later.

[Galagraphia]

I honestly can't see how Cassandra could have talked to Cullen before Varric, however. She doesn't even know the basic facts of what happened, let alone the details. She has some strange theories about how all the companions knew each other in Ferelden and all came over to overthrow Meredith or something. After seven years, I'd expect Cullen knows quite a bit more about Hawke than that. Now granted, Cass was originally looking to find Hawke and so may not have known that she didn't have the whole story, so it's possible she just didn't ask the right questions. But I think if there were any formal reporting to the Divine about what happened from someone like Cullen, who was actually there, Cass would have been way more clued in. I think this is actually a logic hole in the framed narrative, TBH. Esp since Cass isn't asking these questions until 3 years later.

Yes, this is an interesting part. She has an entire book with pictures of Hawke and Co, so apparently somebody wrote this book. Was it a compilation of various reports from Kirkwall, including Cullen's? Or maybe it was Varric's tale, but his imagination transformed it beyong recognition, and Cassandra wanted to hear the real story from him?

Cassandra knows certain things. Apparently she knows about red lyrium, but she believes Hawke brought it to Kirkwall on purpose. She could hear about red lyrium from Cullen, because he saw the sword quite closely, and he saw it drove Meredith crazy. Cass also thinks team Hawke came from Ferelden together. Cullen has no info on that, but he met them when they already assembled, so she could get that impression from his report as well.

Why I think she met Cullen before she met Varric is because it would make more sense, if Cullen remains with the templars. He sent the report to the Divine, Divine said, "WTF?" and sent Cass to check it out, becasue it looked crazy. Cullen's duty is to report everything to the Divine, and I think he did it, so they had his testimony at least. Whether or not Cassandra actually met Cullen before Varric is a question, because, like I said above, as soon as Cullen discovered that Anders was the one who killed Elthina, he probably tried to find him, and perhaps he wasn't in Kirkwall when Cass arrived. Or maybe they tried to find Anders together. And Hawke.

Why did Cassandra come 3 years after the rebellion? Maybe she came earlier, but only 3 years after she managed to find Varric. Remember, at first he ran off with Hawke, and then he and Isabela were helping Alistair. Perhaps she was searching for Hawke and his/her companions all the time, but had no luck until she found Varric.

[Jean]

I want to see that book Cass had with her, considering it also seemed to have The Warden's tale in it as well.

[R2s Muse]

Yes, this is an interesting part. She has an entire book with pictures of Hawke and Co, so apparently somebody wrote this book. Was it a compilation of various reports from Kirkwall, including Cullen's? Or maybe it was Varric's tale, but his imagination transformed it beyong recognition, and Cassandra wanted to hear the real story from him?

Cassandra knows certain things. Apparently she knows about red lyrium, but she believes Hawke brought it to Kirkwall on purpose. She could hear about red lyrium from Cullen, because he saw the sword quite closely, and he saw it drove Meredith crazy. Cass also thinks team Hawke came from Ferelden together. Cullen has no info on that, but he met them when they already assembled, so she could get that impression from his report as well.

Why I think she met Cullen before she met Varric is because it would make more sense, if Cullen remains with the templars. He sent the report to the Divine, Divine said, "WTF?" and sent Cass to check it out, becasue it looked crazy. Cullen's duty is to report everything to the Divine, and I think he did it, so they had his testimony at least. Whether or not Cassandra actually met Cullen before Varric is a question, because, like I said above, as soon as Cullen discovered that Anders was the one who killed Elthina, he probably tried to find him, and perhaps he wasn't in Kirkwall when Cass arrived. Or maybe they tried to find Anders together. And Hawke.

Why did Cassandra come 3 years after the rebellion? Maybe she came earlier, but only 3 years after she managed to find Varric. Remember, at first he ran off with Hawke, and then he and Isabela were helping Alistair. Perhaps she was searching for Hawke and his/her companions all the time, but had no luck until she found Varric.

I agree that it makes more sense to ask Cullen. Basically what doesn't make sense is to ask Varric. 

 

Here's Cullen, who works for them, is loyal to them and always has been, and was definitely in that courtyard with Meredith and saw it all first hand. The Divine hears his story and says, "That's crazy talk! Let's instead ask this dwarf, who is a known storyteller and bender of truth (according to Cass even), and we'll assume his story isn't biased because, after all, he's Hawke's best friend." 

 

So this is why I think either Cullen gave them a report that they wouldn't believe (and therefore there's got to be additional reasons they didn't believe him, like, for ex, maybe he gets in trouble for what happened and so they think anything he would say is suspect),  he lied (for ex, maybe he wanted to help everyone save face, like Meredith, and so smoothed over the details), or they never asked him (maybe he was disgraced and kicked out or for whatever reason wasn't around to ask ... harder to justify this one without more info). I think all these possibilities throw significant doubt on him  being the undisputed Knight Commander of Kirkwall, for example. 

 

Cassandra was sent by the Divine, so whether or not she was the original one collecting reports is immaterial in my eyes. If she's seeking information, she should have as a starting point whatever the Divine already knows. Particularly if Cullen was called upon to make a report to the Chantry, and so this should be a matter of record. Again, if not... then there's a lot more going on that we don't know.  

 

Whatever the case I hope they explain all this since I think it's a huge gaping hole (and yes, I've spent WAY too much time thinking about this). Sadly... I'm sort of expecting them to handwave it. "Oh, sure they asked Cullen but... *mumble*mumble*a wizard did it."

[LolaLei]

I agree that it makes more sense to ask Cullen. Basically what doesn't make sense is to ask Varric. 

 

Here's Cullen, who works for them, is loyal to them and always has been, and was definitely in that courtyard with Meredith and saw it all first hand. The Divine hears his story and says, "That's crazy talk! Let's instead ask this dwarf, who is a known storyteller and bender of truth (according to Cass even), and we'll assume his story isn't biased because, after all, he's Hawke's best friend." 

 

So this is why I think either Cullen gave them a report that they wouldn't believe (and therefore there's got to be additional reasons they didn't believe him, like, for ex, maybe he gets in trouble for what happened and so they think anything he would say is suspect),  he lied (for ex, maybe he wanted to help everyone save face, like Meredith, and so smoothed over the details), or they never asked him (maybe he was disgraced and kicked out or for whatever reason wasn't around to ask ... harder to justify this one without more info). I think all these possibilities throw significant doubt on him  being the undisputed Knight Commander of Kirkwall, for example. 

 

Cassandra was sent by the Divine, so whether or not she was the original one collecting reports is immaterial in my eyes. If she's seeking information, she should have as a starting point whatever the Divine already knows. Particularly if Cullen was called upon to make a report to the Chantry, and so this should be a matter of record. Again, if not... then there's a lot more going on that we don't know.  

 

Whatever the case I hope they explain all this since I think it's a huge gaping hole (and yes, I've spent WAY too much time thinking about this). Sadly... I'm sort of expecting them to handwave it. "Oh, sure they asked Cullen but... *mumble*mumble*a wizard did it."

 

I reckon it's a giant plot hole. BUT it would be easy to hand wave with the concept of Cullen going MIA for a while after having a crisis of faith, or having him captured by the rebel/red templars.

[renfrees]

So this is why I think either Cullen gave them a report that they wouldn't believe (and therefore there's got to be additional reasons they didn't believe him, like, for ex, maybe he gets in trouble for what happened and so they think anything he would say is suspect),  he lied (for ex, maybe he wanted to help everyone save face, like Meredith, and so smoothed over the details), or they never asked him (maybe he was disgraced and kicked out or for whatever reason wasn't around to ask ... harder to justify this one without more info). I think all these possibilities throw significant doubt on him  being the undisputed Knight Commander of Kirkwall, for example. 

All these theories fall short in case of Templar Hawke. Actually, the entire narrative falls short then - why would Seekers need to search Hawke's friends 3 years after the events in Kirkwall, when he/she was the Viscount of the damn city for some time. Chantry certainly had an access to him/her to ask as many questions, as they wanted.

[R2s Muse]

I want to see that book Cass had with her, considering it also seemed to have The Warden's tale in it as well.

Me, too. Esp after it also showed up in DotS in what may be a big continuity error... and it's sitting on the War Table in DA:I. 

 

:grabby hands:

[LolaLei]

Or perhaps they had Cullen under arrest for a while for insubordination and didn't bother to ask him what "really happened" if she thought that Cullen had been working with Hawke 'n' co to bring down Meredith. Hell, maybe they dismissed his claims as madness, thus going to Varric for answers?

[renfrees]

Or perhaps they had Cullen under arrest for a while for insubordination and didn't bother to ask him what "really happened" if she thought that Cullen had been working with Hawke 'n' co to bring down Meredith. Hell, maybe they dismissed his claims as madness, thus going to Varric for answers?

Varric would be the last one I'd ask if I was in Divine's place. Why not Aveline, for example?

[R2s Muse]

All these theories fall short in case of Templar Hawke. Actually, the entire narrative falls short then - why would Seekers need to search Hawke's friends 3 years after the events in Kirkwall, when he/she was the Viscount of the damn city for some time. Chantry certainly had an access to him/her to ask as many questions, as they wanted.

There are bigger problems in that case, but I think these theories could still explain it (in an anti-Occam's razor approach of making it all more complicated). Clearly Hawke is also missing three years later, so Viscount Hawke must have split after a while for "reasons unknown." So in that case, it's like everyone thought they knew what happened... until three years later. One former theory I had was that there was just a lot of misinformation being perpetrated by Hawke's enemies, and that Cullen lied to protect Meredith (that's what I used in Knight's Bloom), but I  no longer find it satisfactory. 

[Dirgegun]

I honestly don't find it too strange that they approached Varric? I mean maybe they talked to Cullen too, but, personally, if I wanted to FIND someone, I would go to someone who was close to the dude/dudette I was looking for and who actually might know where they were at, rather than someone who saw them on occasion but didn't know them all that well. Especially when Varric is a known storyteller and has probably re-told the Hawke story a lot. A lot a lot. 

 

I have no idea how he is on the rival path, but he seemed very concerned about making sure Cassandra knew the TRUTH about the real Hawke too, so I imagine she's not the first he's corrected... at least once he was finished trolling her. 

[Galagraphia]

 

I want to see that book Cass had with her, considering it also seemed to have The Warden's tale in it as well.

It was "The World of Thedas, vol.1" 

Kidding. I'm really curious about that book too. And about the book Morrigan gave the Warden in the Witch Hunt. Morrigan was warning us about Flemeth, and now I wonder if Flemeth is behind the Breaches, and she's the bad guy. Or maybe she's not. She never seemed like she wanted the end of the world

 

I agree that it makes more sense to ask Cullen. Basically what doesn't make sense is to ask Varric. 

 

*snip*

No, it does make sense to ask Varric, because by the time Cass finds Varric, she wants to find the Champion. It looks like she's more interested in that than in hearing the truth, but she gets the true story as a bonus.

 

Also, did you guys notice that NOBODY in Asunder or TME speaks about Meredith? Everybody talks about how the Circle rebelled in Kirkwall, and that's all. So I think, maybe mages' rebellion was such a big thing, that everyone, including the Divine, overlooked the red lyrium problem?

For example, Cullen sent his report about what he saw. And in the end of the report he added that he realized he's made a mistake when he let Hawke go, because turned out Hawke was conspiring with the Grey Warden mage Anders, who blew up the Chantry. And now Cullen is going to try to find them and bring them back to justice. Divine reads that and says, "Ok, looks like this Knight-Captain knows what he's doing, Maker help him! Meanwhile, let's do everything we can to prevent other Circles from the same fate!" So, maybe the Divine was just too occupied with what happened next to deal with Kirkwall templars and Cullen.

 

I hope they won't handwave this, because I want the events of DAII to make sense to me! And I want to know what happened EVERYWHERE, and what Cullen was doing, and all the stuff