No, it does make sense to ask Varric, because by the time Cass finds Varric, she wants to find the Champion. It looks like she's more interested in that than in hearing the truth, but she gets the true story as a bonus.
The guy lies for a living and they expect him to tell the truth about his missing (wanted in case of mage ending) friend? Hah, then Divine is more naive than I thought.
There are bigger problems in that case, but I think these theories could still explain it (in an anti-Occam's razor approach of making it all more complicated). Clearly Hawke is also missing three years later, so Viscount Hawke must have split after a while for "reasons unknown." So in that case, it's like everyone thought they knew what happened... until three years later. One former theory I had was that there was just a lot of misinformation being perpetrated by Hawke's enemies, and that Cullen lied to protect Meredith (that's what I used in Knight's Bloom), but I no longer find it satisfactory.
I don't think it helps that the Exalted Marches got cancelled, which was supposed to explain the events leading up to Hawke's disappearance. In regards to a Viscount Hawke, for all we know the DLC could've (for example) picked up 3 years later 6 or so months before Cassandra showed up in Kirkwall to interrogate Varric. Hawke would leave his post in Kirkwall to go deal with the issue and then whatever would've happened in this DLC would occur causing Hawke to have to go into hiding/get abducted/whatever, and his/her friends to scarper/split up and go their separate ways. Then all the really bad stuff starts to happen and the Mage/Templar war reaches fever pitch, causing Cassandra to track down Varric since he was the easiest one to find (and because obviously Varric is a major player in DAI, lol).
This is what I mean by they need a reason to not believe him. Otherwise he's the knight captain of Kirkwall. His report should be the truth.Or perhaps they had Cullen under arrest for a while for insubordination and didn't bother to ask him what "really happened" if she thought that Cullen had been working with Hawke 'n' co to bring down Meredith. Hell, maybe they dismissed his claims as madness, thus going to Varric for answers?
The guy lies for a living and they expect him to tell the truth about his missing (wanted in case of mage ending) friend? Hah, then Divine is more naive than I thought.
Cass was pretty good at calling his bullcrap. Maybe she's their living lie detector. 
Besides, just because he has a reputation around Kirkwall doesn't mean everyone knows it. To them, he's just 'the dwarf that followed Hawke around'. And the only one of Hawke's old comrades who is accessible.
Did you guys notice that NOBODY in Asunder or TME speaks about Meredith? Everybody talks about how the Circle rebelled in Kirkwall, and that's all. So I think, maybe mages' rebellion was such a big thing, that everyone, including the Divine, overlooked the red lyrium problem?For example, Cullen sent his report about what he saw. And in the end of the report he added that he realized he's made a mistake when he let Hawke go, because turned out Hawke was conspiring with the Grey Warden mage Anders, who blew up the Chantry. And now Cullen is going to try to find them and bring them back to justice. Divine reads that and says, "Ok, looks like this Knight-Captain knows what he's doing, Maker help him! Meanwhile, let's do everything we can to prevent other Circles from the same fate!" So, maybe the Divine was just too occupied with what happened next to deal with Kirkwall templars and Cullen.
I hope they won't handwave this, because I want the events of DAII to make sense to me!
And I want to know what happened EVERYWHERE, and what Cullen was doing, and all the stuff
Makes me wonder if no one bothered to take Cullen's warnings seriously about the red lyrium idol/red lyrium in general, so he ditched the Templars when they rebelled and went rogue with his own little faction in order to try and take matters into their own hands? If that leak is true and there really is a militant faction working with us called the Red Fists then it's entirely possible that perhaps he (or the Divine, if he's working for her) decided to name the faction "Red Fists" as a representation of cracking down on the Red templars/red lyrium/whatever with an iron fist?
This is what I mean by they need a reason to not believe him. Otherwise he's the knight captain of Kirkwall. His report should be the truth.
I can only presume that he either never did become the Knight Commander of Kirkwall and lost his job as Knight Captain very quickly after the Meredith thing, or he lost/quit the Knight Commander job when the Templar rebellion started. Either way, it certainly doesn't look like he's part of the Templars anymore!
Cass was pretty good at calling his bullcrap. Maybe she's their living lie detector.
Besides, just because he has a reputation around Kirkwall doesn't mean everyone knows it. To them, he's just 'the dwarf that followed Hawke around'. And the only one of Hawke's old comrades who is accessible.
I guess she may have thought that since Varric has "connections" perhaps he'd be at least able to point her in the direction of someone who might know where he/she is.
I honestly don't find it too strange that they approached Varric? I mean maybe they talked to Cullen too, but, personally, if I wanted to FIND someone, I would go to someone who was close to the dude/dudette I was looking for and who actually might know where they were at, rather than someone who saw them on occasion but didn't know them all that well. Especially when Varric is a known storyteller and has probably re-told the Hawke story a lot. A lot a lot.I have no idea how he is on the rival path, but he seemed very concerned about making sure Cassandra knew the TRUTH about the real Hawke too, so I imagine she's not the first he's corrected... at least once he was finished trolling her.
This is exactly how I see it as well. Yes, during your investigation you will try to interview everyone involved for the whole story but I imagine the key players would be those that knew the suspect best.
Plus, story wise it makes sense that out of all the possible interrogations that Cass probably conducted Varric's would be most entertaining for us to see. If DA2 was told around Aveline's account I imagine it would be rather sterile. Just the facts, ma'am. 
I honestly don't find it too strange that they approached Varric? I mean maybe they talked to Cullen too, but, personally, if I wanted to FIND someone, I would go to someone who was close to the dude/dudette I was looking for and who actually might know where they were at, rather than someone who saw them on occasion but didn't know them all that well. Especially when Varric is a known storyteller and has probably re-told the Hawke story a lot. A lot a lot.I have no idea how he is on the rival path, but he seemed very concerned about making sure Cassandra knew the TRUTH about the real Hawke too, so I imagine she's not the first he's corrected... at least once he was finished trolling her.
iirc his dialogue doesn't change at all during the Cass scenes if you rival him. Strange, but is what it is.
This is exactly how I see it as well. Yes, during your investigation you will try to interview everyone involved for the whole story but I imagine the key players would be those that knew the suspect best.
I still wonder what happened with Aveline. She's not exactly a discreet type to be impossible to find.
Edit: and she makes way more sense to ask for the Seekers - an acquaintance of the Champion from the very beginning, and Captain of the Guard in Kirkwall.
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iirc his dialogue doesn't change at all during the Cass scenes if you rival him. Strange, but is what it is.
Awww, boo.
I blame the whole time constraints, but man, how fun would it have been if Varric had 'FYI, he was an arsehole' comments on the side if he was rivalled.
This is exactly how I see it as well. Yes, during your investigation you will try to interview everyone involved for the whole story but I imagine the key players would be those that knew the suspect best.
Plus, story wise it makes sense that out of all the possible interrogations that Cass probably conducted Varric's would be most entertaining for us to see. If DA2 was told around Aveline's account I imagine it would be rather sterile. Just the facts, ma'am.
Aveline can also turn on a Hawke who sides with the mages if your rivalry/friendship isn't high enough. (I think. I'm pretty sure I remember that. If not, I'm crazy. )
Aveline can also turn on Hawke and fight for the Templars if your rivalry/friendship isn't high enough. So, uh... zombies, anyone?
You can't kill Aveline, she just leaves.
LOL exactly. It makes no sense to expect the "one true story" from Varric, even without his conflict of interest in being Hawke's friend. But Cass seems to know this about him. That's why I think she only went to him to find Hawke, and she seems to think she already knew the story.The guy lies for a living and they expect him to tell the truth about his missing (wanted in case of mage ending) friend? Hah, then Divine is more naive than I thought.
LOL exactly. It makes no sense to expect the "one true story" from Varric, even without his conflict of interest in being Hawke's friend. But Cass seems to know this about him. That's why I think she only went to him to find Hawke, and she seems to think she already knew the story.
So the real question is why didn't she know the real story if they could've asked Cullen? Or Aveline who is also a public official ?
Heh. I suppose a fourth option is that they were told the truth... And Varric's story is all a lie.
The cake is a lie!
Hey, what did you really expect from Varric? 
You can't kill Aveline, she just leaves.
Okay, only partly crazy. I KNEW I remembered her at least turning away from Hawke.
LOL exactly. It makes no sense to expect the "one true story" from Varric, even without his conflict of interest in being Hawke's friend. But Cass seems to know this about him. That's why I think she only went to him to find Hawke, and she seems to think she already knew the story.
So the real question is why didn't she know the real story if they could've asked Cullen? Or Aveline who is also a public official ?
Heh. I suppose a fourth option is that they were told the truth... And Varric's story is all a lie.
I think I always just assumed that Cass would've already spoken to everyone else involved. Especially Aveline and Cullen, who would have given the "official" report from both the city and the Templars. In my head, they had to hunt down Varric because you see him dragged into the room at the beginning, which gave me the impression of "Aha! We finally found the dwarf. Now let's see what he's got to say about it all..."
LOL exactly. It makes no sense to expect the "one true story" from Varric, even without his conflict of interest in being Hawke's friend. But Cass seems to know this about him. That's why I think she only went to him to find Hawke, and she seems to think she already knew the story.
So the real question is why didn't she know the real story if they could've asked Cullen? Or Aveline who is also a public official ?
Heh. I suppose a fourth option is that they were told the truth... And Varric's story is all a lie.
Ignoring the fact that from a gaming perspective Varric's comical version of events would be more interesting than Aveline's etc, I guess maybe Cass was trying to retrace Hawke's steps and since Varric was based in Kirkwall she figured she'd drag him in for questioning.
Cassandra is a strong woman but she's stubborn and head strong, I suppose she thought that she could get the truth out of Varric with brute force if needed. She was just fortunate that Varric (seemingly) told her the truth... and since he's a companion in DAI, I can only presume that he's not the deceptive wax fruit and perhaps cares about the fate of Thedas more than he outwardly shows (plus, he's a nosy little sod, I bet he enjoys the drama and storytelling potential!)
AH yes theory crafting. I love it
Can't tell if being sarcastic or not. 
No matter what I did in any of my play throughs Aveline always stuck with me. The only one to turn on me was Fenris, and I completely obliterated him in the Gallows on my first play through D:
LOL exactly. It makes no sense to expect the "one true story" from Varric, even without his conflict of interest in being Hawke's friend. But Cass seems to know this about him. That's why I think she only went to him to find Hawke, and she seems to think she already knew the story.
Can't tell if being sarcastic or not.
Nononono....I actually love it :3
Okay, only partly crazy. I KNEW I remembered her at least turning away from Hawke.
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