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#18926
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Cass DOES have some prior knowledge. For example, she'll say, "So the Champion's sister WAS in the Circle," indicating that SOMEone must have told her this. (sorry for the "yelling"; no italics on iPad lol)

I feel like a lot of her information before had come from rumours, probably from people gossiping in taverns and what not. 



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Nononono....I actually love it :3

 

Well then... As you were, soldier!  :lol:



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New Aimo comic

 

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I will love Dramatic Hands Guy even MORE if he is like that.  :lol:


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#18929
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I could never rival Aveline because no one would want to get punched in the face by her. (She's scary when mad :P)

I'm so tempted to rival her to watch this happen to my Hawke. However, I never really bring her anywhere so it's kinda hard to rival her :|



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I always figured that Cassandra questioned Varric because he was the only one still in Kirkwall :3 


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I could never rival Aveline because no one would want to get punched in the face by her. (She's scary when mad :P)


I have rivaled her, and it's pretty sad and funny lol unlike some rivalries, she and Hawke REALLY do not like each other. Of course, I was playing Extreme Aggressive B!tch Hawke, too lol
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I could never rival Aveline because no one would want to get punched in the face by her. (She's scary when mad :P)

I did once. I felt bad, playing femHawke afterwards, and wondered about the state of plastic surgery in Thedas.



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I'm so tempted to rival her to watch this happen to my Hawke. However, I never really bring her anywhere so it's kinda hard to rival her :|


I suggest a party with Aveline, Isabela and varric :P ;)
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#18934
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I suggest a party with Aveline, Isabela and varric :P ;)

This is my favorite team, without question!  :wizard:


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#18935
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I suggest a party with Aveline, Isabela and varric :P ;)

I've read some of their conversations (totally didn't read all dialogue banter on dragonagewiki..nope not me) and it sounds hilarious! Isabela always has great things to say :P 



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I suggest a party with Aveline, Isabela and varric :P ;)

 

I like those 3 and Isabela, Carver and Varric since those 2 combos are the most entertaining. I also like to listen to Carver and Merrill awkwardly flirting with each other, lol!


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#18937
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I should look into the command options where you can add other party members to your team as extras. There is actually some conversations that can only be triggered if you have 4 party members. o__o



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Also, did you guys notice that NOBODY in Asunder or TME speaks about Meredith? Everybody talks about how the Circle rebelled in Kirkwall, and that's all. So I think, maybe mages' rebellion was such a big thing, that everyone, including the Divine, overlooked the red lyrium problem?

For example, Cullen sent his report about what he saw. And in the end of the report he added that he realized he's made a mistake when he let Hawke go, because turned out Hawke was conspiring with the Grey Warden mage Anders, who blew up the Chantry. And now Cullen is going to try to find them and bring them back to justice. Divine reads that and says, "Ok, looks like this Knight-Captain knows what he's doing, Maker help him! Meanwhile, let's do everything we can to prevent other Circles from the same fate!" So, maybe the Divine was just too occupied with what happened next to deal with Kirkwall templars and Cullen.

 

I hope they won't handwave this, because I want the events of DAII to make sense to me! :) And I want to know what happened EVERYWHERE, and what Cullen was doing, and all the stuff :)

 

This is a really good point about Meredith. Indeed, NO one mentions her or blames her. Maybe that is what happened. Cullen gave his dutiful, probably dry and understated account of what happened, and some minor bureaucrat skimmed it, saw "BLAHBLAH MAGES BAD AND REBELLED" and took out his red stamp, "A wizard did it. The Champion, a known agitator, probably helped. It's over."

 

I don't think it helps that the Exalted Marches got cancelled, which was supposed to explain the events leading up to Hawke's disappearance. In regards to a Viscount Hawke, for all we know the DLC could've (for example) picked up 3 years later 6 or so months before Cassandra showed up in Kirkwall to interrogate Varric. Hawke would leave his post in Kirkwall to go deal with the issue and then whatever would've happened in this DLC would occur causing Hawke to have to go into hiding/get abducted/whatever, and his/her friends to scarper/split up and go their separate ways. Then all the really bad stuff starts to happen and the Mage/Templar war reaches fever pitch, causing Cassandra to track down Varric since he was the easiest one to find (and because obviously Varric is a major player in DAI, lol).

This is a really good point. Gosh, I wish we could've seen what happened in the expansion. I know we'll see some of the content... but certainly less. :(

 

Makes me wonder if no one bothered to take Cullen's warnings seriously about the red lyrium idol/red lyrium in general, so he ditched the Templars when they rebelled and went rogue with his own little faction in order to try and take matters into their own hands? If that leak is true and there really is a militant faction working with us called the Red Fists then it's entirely possible that perhaps he (or the Divine, if he's working for her) decided to name the faction "Red Fists" as a representation of cracking down on the Red templars/red lyrium/whatever with an iron fist?

This is the best idea I've heard for why it would be called something dumb like the 'red fists.' I like it!

 

I think I always just assumed that Cass would've already spoken to everyone else involved. Especially Aveline and Cullen, who would have given the "official" report from both the city and the Templars. In my head, they had to hunt down Varric because you see him dragged into the room at the beginning, which gave me the impression of "Aha! We finally found the dwarf. Now let's see what he's got to say about it all..."

I would expect her to ask everyone... but honestly, she seems genuinely gobsmacked by Varric's story. I just can't imagine she'd heard all that before and just wanted act surprised for Varric's sake. Really, I think you're right that it's just a function of gameplay/storytelling. Varric is by far the best person to tell the framing narrative, even if it doesn't make a lot of logical sense.

 

(and BOO that we're talking about my very favorite topic right when I have to go to work... :( :( :( )


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#18939
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I feel like a lot of her information before had come from rumours, probably from people gossiping in taverns and what not. 

I have to wonder as well... Leliana just kind of pops up at the end there and you know with all her sneaky bardy business she knows more than she's letting on. She's like The Smoking Man in X Files. I got the feeling she was letting Cass go through with all these interviews, already knowing the real story but hoping for an extra tid bit. Never letting Cass know she already knew just to see if anything new turned up.... 

 

And it's possible the Lel knew Cullen from Origins if you took her to the Circle tower with you. So maybe she actually spoke with him in the Kirkwall aftermath as well. *shrug* I'm just rambling now.... lol



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Rambling, rambling is good o_o you never know what ideas might happen! 

I also suspect that Leliana knows more than we think/are told to think. 



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I have to wonder as well... Leliana just kind of pops up at the end there and you know with all her sneaky bardy business she knows more than she's letting on. She's like The Smoking Man in X Files. I got the feeling she was letting Cass go through with all these interviews, already knowing the real story but hoping for an extra tid bit. Never letting Cass know she already knew just to see if anything new turned up.... 

 

And it's possible the Lel knew Cullen from Origins if you took her to the Circle tower with you. So maybe she actually spoke with him in the Kirkwall aftermath as well. *shrug* I'm just rambling now.... lol

I have to wonder what was the original plan they were talking about.



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(and BOO that we're talking about my very favorite topic right when I have to go to work... :( :( :( )

Pft! Just tell your bosses you have Templar business to attend to. You have to save the world in October and this is prep. 


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#18943
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I have to wonder what was the original plan they were talking about.

I'm guessing forming the Inquisition was.



#18944
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I'm guessing forming the Inquisition was.

The Inquisition forms because of the Fade Breach, and the breach doesn't happen until after Cassandra and Varric start traveling together, so they couldn't have been planning the Inquisition at the end of DA2 



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I'm guessing forming the Inquisition was.

Uhm, but Inquisition was formed to seal the Veil tears, was it not? And these events were still a year ahead.



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The Inquisition forms because of the Fade Breach, and the breach doesn't happen until after Cassandra and Varric start traveling together, so they couldn't have been planning the Inquisition at the end of DA2 

Except from what Cameron Lee said, the Inquisition was Justinia's Plan B, no?



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I'm just jumping in here, so forgive me if this was already mentioned, but isn't Cassandra's interrogation of Varric supposed to happen after the schism between the Chantry and the Seekers/Templars? That's how I've pieced it together but the timelines are easy to confuse since they only give us years to work with, without months/days to pin down the order of events. If indeed Cass was interrogating Varric after the schism, it makes sense to me that she goes to an underworld sort (Varric) and not an official of Kirkwall because it's highly likely that Seekers still loyal to the divine (which seem to be a minority?) have to work under the radar to avoid clashing with their former compatriots. Kirkwall was left with a destroyed chantry, highly decimated Mage circle and largely whole Templar force: if Templars - and especially broken-away Templars - still hold a lot of clout in Kirkwall, it makes sense that Cassandra doesn't want to draw their eye, at least not at that time.

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Yeah, my guess is that Cass and Lel's backup plan has more to do with stopping the mage-templar war, but it seems that the Inquisition was a loophole, back pocket idea that Justinia was developing in case things got bad. Cass just dusts off the idea when all the Void breaks loose.


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#18949
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Except from what Cameron Lee said, the Inquisition was Justinia's Plan B, no?

But what would they use it for if the breach hadn't happened yet? Were they going to use it for the mage/Templar problem?



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I'm just jumping in here, so forgive me if this was already mentioned, but isn't Cassandra's interrogation of Varric supposed to happen after the schism between the Chantry and the Seekers/Templars? That's how I've pieced it together but the timelines are easy to confuse since they only give us years to work with, without months/days to pin down the order of events. If indeed Cass was interrogating Varric after the schism, it makes sense to me that she goes to an underworld sort (Varric) and not an official of Kirkwall because it's highly likely that Seekers still loyal to the divine (which seem to be a minority?) have to work under the radar to avoid clashing with their former compatriots. Kirkwall was left with a destroyed chantry, highly decimated Mage circle and largely whole Templar force: if Templars - and especially broken-away Templars - still hold a lot of clout in Kirkwall, it makes sense that Cassandra doesn't want to draw their eye, at least not at that time.

Yes it is after the Accord has been broken. Nevertheless, she seems to be going to Varric to find Hawke, not because he's the one true teller of true tales.


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