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[ilikesocks]

Lucky for us, there's a whole wide BSN to explore for different topics of discussion with many other fun people to discover. 

 

Agreed! 

But... it's scary out there

[Adela]

well at least if its gonna be more Cullen orientated I will have more time to finish my sht so that's cool

[Adela]

But... it's scary out there

indeed it is...

[meanieweenie]

I wonder if Cullen was in on Justinia's back up plan for the Inquisition. I can see Leliana and Cass being told by her, but I wonder if Cullen was told due to him being a high level Templar still probably loyal to the Divine.

Before or after Meredith? It certainly would put him in a different light since so far we've imagined him being more of a pawn than a player. 

[TreeHuggerHannah]

I wonder if Cullen was in on Justinia's back up plan for the Inquisition. I can see Leliana and Cass being told by her, but I wonder if Cullen was told due to him being a high level Templar still probably loyal to the Divine.

 

I would tend to think probably not - that even if Cullen isn't facing any sort of consequences or direct blame for what happened in Kirkwall, he probably isn't high on the Chantry's list of trusted people at the moment. My guess would be that he'd have to prove himself again before he'd be let in on any of the Divine's secrets. 

[meanieweenie]

But... it's scary out there

LOL It is scary but you always have us to come home to! 

Besides, it's not all evil.... just mostly.   Truth be told, I rarely venture out of this thread. If it gets too flaky in here, I usually just kick back and wait for everyone's sugar high to wear off.

[Phate Phoenix]

I wonder if Cullen was in on Justinia's back up plan for the Inquisition. I can see Leliana and Cass being told by her, but I wonder if Cullen was told due to him being a high level Templar still probably loyal to the Divine.

 

I'd assume not. As much as I love the guy, Cullen just... not important.  If he were, I would assume there would be a mention of him in Asunder, and as far as I know, there wasn't. So I'm thinking poor Cullen is, yet again, just kind of in the worst place at the worst time with absolutely no idea why this is happening. Then either Cassandra or our Inquisitor gets him to join our cause. (Cassandra if he's our military advisor.)

[meanieweenie]

I would tend to think probably not - that even if Cullen isn't facing any sort of consequences or direct blame for what happened in Kirkwall, he probably isn't high on the Chantry's list of trusted people at the moment. My guess would be that he'd have to prove himself again before he'd be let in on any of the Divine's secrets. 

But what if the events in Kirkwall exonerate rather than condemn him to the Divine? What if, in standing up to Meredith rather than blindly follow orders, he has shown his loyalty is to his faith and not the sword?

[LolaLei]

I wonder if Cullen was in on Justinia's back up plan for the Inquisition. I can see Leliana and Cass being told by her, but I wonder if Cullen was told due to him being a high level Templar still probably loyal to the Divine.

 

Perhaps the back up plan was Leliana's, Cullen's and the woman in Gold & Blue's factions?

 

It could be that they were all formed by the Divine and she chose the three of them to lead each one? Maybe Cullen's faction was supposed to deal with getting rid of the red templars, dealing with the rebel ones and bringing the mages back to the circles etc, Leliana's group was to find out secrets and use Intel to blackmail and gather info to use to their advantage, and the woman in blue and gold was maybe supposed to smooze with the nobles and wealthy important folks to gain support back towards the Chantry etc? Then the blast happens, maybe the Divine gets killed, everything goes up in smoke but then a wild card appears in the form our Protagonist fresh from the Fade with our raving glow-stick hand and that's where we pick up the reins? Then the 3 factions join us because they'll be important allies for us to have.

[Hellion Rex]

Perhaps the back up plan was Leliana's, Cullen's and the woman in Gold & Blue's factions?

 

It could be that they were all formed by the Divine and she chose the three of them to lead each one? Maybe Cullen's faction was supposed to deal with getting rid of the red templars, dealing with the rebel ones and bringing the mages back to the circles etc, Leliana's group was to find out secrets and use Intel to blackmail and gather info to use to their advantage and the woman in blue and gold was maybe supposed to smooze with the nobles and wealthy important folks to gain support back towards the Chantry etc? Then the blast happens, maybe the Divine gets killed, everything goes up in smoke but then a wild card appears in the form our Protagonist fresh from the Fade with our raving glow-stick hand and that's where we pic up? Then the 3 factions join us because they'll be important allies for us to have.

I could see that as a possibility.

[TreeHuggerHannah]

But what if the events in Kirkwall exonerate rather than condemn him to the Divine? What if, in standing up to Meredith rather than blindly follow orders, he has shown his loyalty is to his faith and not the sword?

 

I certainly think he has, and it's entirely possible the Divine will too... but given the totality of what went down in Kirkwall over the years, I think the Divine would still have some questions about Cullen. Even if she thinks he did the right thing in the end, I'm not sure that would be enough to get him let in on big important secrets. 

[Hellion Rex]

Well, if Cullen wasn't in on the big secret, what the hell would make Leliana and Cass choose him to be the head of military operations? I'm assuming that picking up Cullen was a plan that those two had put forward, not just cause the Inquisitor wanted to make him military leader.

[LolaLei]

I could see that as a possibility.

 

And perhaps she picked those 3 individuals due to their previous experience. I mean, Cullen was there for the fall of the Circles, he had first hand experience AND he's proven that he can hold his own in battle and lead at least a small group of soldiers from when he was the Knight Captain in Kirkwall, so he'd be the perfect person to lead the Militant faction, plus if he really is still Divine loyal there's a possibility that he went straight to her or was summoned directly by her. Same with Leliana, she works closely with the Divine and has proven her worth as an agent of the Chantry, an excellent bard and helped the Warden fight the Blight, thus she may have been given the espionage faction.

 

The only one we know nothing about is the trade and commerce one with the gold and blue lady.

[Phate Phoenix]

Perhaps the back up plan was Leliana's, Cullen's and the woman in Gold & Blue's factions?

 

It could be that they were all formed by the Divine and she chose the three of them to lead each one? Maybe Cullen's faction was supposed to deal with getting rid of the red templars, dealing with the rebel ones and bringing the mages back to the circles etc, Leliana's group was to find out secrets and use Intel to blackmail and gather info to use to their advantage, and the woman in blue and gold was maybe supposed to smooze with the nobles and wealthy important folks to gain support back towards the Chantry etc? Then the blast happens, maybe the Divine gets killed, everything goes up in smoke but then a wild card appears in the form our Protagonist fresh from the Fade with our raving glow-stick hand and that's where we pick up the reins? Then the 3 factions join us because they'll be important allies for us to have.

 

Well, if Cullen wasn't in on the big secret, what the hell would make Leliana and Cass choose him to be the head of military operations? I'm assuming that picking up Cullen was a plan that those two had put forward, not just cause the Inquisitor wanted to make him military leader.

 

This is an excellent point, and it's not a perspective I've thought about before. I always assumed the writers would kinda... shove Cullen at as, as the leader of some mercenary group, and we'd work with more more out of convenience than anything else. But this theory makes way more sense, and is far more appealing!

[GiggleLam]

Hello all!

*sees 20 some odd pages to sort through* @_@ 

Anything new on this Saturday? 

[TreeHuggerHannah]

Well, if Cullen wasn't in on the big secret, what the hell would make Leliana and Cass choose him to be the head of military operations? I'm assuming that picking up Cullen was a plan that those two had put forward, not just cause the Inquisitor wanted to make him military leader.

 

I don't see what difference it would make in his recruitment? Cassandra knows about Cullen, and presumably Leliana does too. Surely not everyone recruited for leadership positions within the Inquisition knew the big secret in advance? There would have to be some people who were just picked for their skills after the fact, and I don't see why Cullen couldn't have been among them - or simply be in the right place at the right time.

 

I'm not saying it's impossible, of course. You very well may be right. 

[LolaLei]

This is an excellent point, and it's not a perspective I've thought about before. I always assumed the writers would kinda... shove Cullen at as, as the leader of some mercenary group, and we'd work with more more out of convenience than anything else. But this theory makes way more sense, and is far more appealing!

 

It could also explain why those 3 factions would want to work with you, presumably from the outset instead of them trying to deal with it themselves. Maybe (and I'm just grasping at straws here) it also goes some way into explain why the hell Cullen would be singing in the first place, perhaps it's verses of the Chant at the Divine's funeral along side Leliana. DG did say we'd hear some of it sung AND he sat in on some sort of recording sessions where people were singing to lyrics he wrote with a full orchestra. 

[LolaLei]

 

I don't see what difference it would make in his recruitment? Cassandra knows about Cullen, and presumably Leliana does too. Surely not everyone recruited for leadership positions within the Inquisition knew the big secret in advance? There would have to be some people who were just picked for their skills after the fact, and I don't see why Cullen couldn't have been among them - or simply be in the right place at the right time.

 

I'm not saying it's impossible, of course. You very well may be right. 

 

What big secret, though? There was a plan, regardless of who came up with it was to deal with the uproar with the mages and templars and all the civil wars 'n' stuff. That would be the basis of what the plan was, if plan B wasn't to just have a peace gathering, lol.

[Phate Phoenix]

It could also explain why those 3 factions would want to work with you, presumably from the outset instead of them trying to deal with it themselves. Maybe (and I'm just grasping at straws here) it also goes some way into explain why the hell Cullen would be singing in the first place, perhaps it's verses of the Chant at the Divine's funeral along side Leliana. DG did say we'd hear some of it sung AND he sat in on some sort of recording sessions where people were singing to lyrics he wrote with a full orchestra. 

 

It also fits with how it seems Cassandra is the force to start the Inquisition. She's just grabbing scraps of things she (and possibly only she) knows are out there and using them.

 

Oh, man, Cullen singing at the Divine's funeral would be... [WIBBLES]

[Hellion Rex]

It also fits with how it seems Cassandra is the force to start the Inquisition. She's just grabbing scraps of things she (and possibly only she) knows are out there and using them.

 

Oh, man, Cullen singing at the Divine's funeral would be... [WIBBLES]

Well, she and Leliana.

[LolaLei]

It also fits with how it seems Cassandra is the force to start the Inquisition. She's just grabbing scraps of things she (and possibly only she) knows are out there and using them.

 

Oh, man, Cullen singing at the Divine's funeral would be... [WIBBLES]

 

It's entirely possible that Leliana, Cullen and that other woman already had their factions and Cassandra had been running around asking them to join the cause (on the behalf of the Divine, or for justice of the Divine's death). Leliana would've likely said yes immediately, so all they'd have to do is round the other two up. Cullen was (and probably still is) Divine loyal so I doubt he would've been hard to rope into helping, which just leaves the other lady who clearly decides to help for some reason or another. Then maybe when our protagonist pops out of the Fade with the ability to close the Fade rifts 'n' sh!t Cass/the Divine just adds him/her to the mix.

[meanieweenie]

We'll find out Leliana is top secretly the Divine all along. That girl knows too much. 

[Hellion Rex]

This makes me wonder who the hell Scribbles is though.....I've heard speculation that she is a mage, and a Lucrosian at that.

[littlenikki]

It could also explain why those 3 factions would want to work with you, presumably from the outset instead of them trying to deal with it themselves. Maybe (and I'm just grasping at straws here) it also goes some way into explain why the hell Cullen would be singing in the first place, perhaps it's verses of the Chant at the Divine's funeral along side Leliana. DG did say we'd hear some of it sung AND he sat in on some sort of recording sessions where people were singing to lyrics he wrote with a full orchestra. 

 

Ohh my  With how amazing the bits of music we've already heard is, this idea makes me incredibly excited!

 

I seriously cannot even begin to fathom how we are going to meet Cullen in Inquisition, where he's at politically and just how he gets pulled into leading a military faction for the Inquisitor to utilize. I love to read your guys theories though!

[Phate Phoenix]

It's entirely possible that Leliana, Cullen and that other woman already had their factions and Cassandra had been running around asking them to join the cause (on the behalf of the Divine, or for justice of the Divine's death). Leliana would've likely said yes immediately, so all they'd have to do is round the other two up. Cullen was (and probably still is) Divine loyal so I doubt he would've been hard to rope into helping, which just leaves the other lady who clearly decides to help for some reason or another. Then maybe when our protagonist pops out of the Fade with the ability to close the Fade rifts 'n' sh!t Cass/the Divine just adds him/her to the mix.

 
That makes the most sense to me, that the Divine already had these factions in at least working order before she (possibly) dies. Then Cassandra basically recruits them into the Inquisition. I think it's a fair guess that Leliana will be our first advisor, because she's the connection to the Warden and to the Divine and Cassandra and her traveled together recently.
 
I'd be shocked if we could fail getting any of the advisors, because they seem to be necessary to the Keep gameplay mechanics, and the Keep mechanics seem to be very vital to the game itself. That's why I'm really digging this theory: having the advisors join because of the Divine, or because of Cassandra. That way the multiple Inquisitors don't really matter--they join despite you, not because of you.

 

This makes me wonder who the hell Scribbles is though.....I've heard speculation that she is a mage, and a Lucrosian at that.

 
This is my favorite theory for her.  I always found the Lucrosian mages to be... very odd, very interesting, and I'd like a chance to know more about them. It would also round-out our advisor positions: a rouge, a warrior, and a mage.