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This makes me wonder who the hell Scribbles is though.....I've heard speculation that she is a mage, and a Lucrosian at that.

 

Since seeing her concept art from the survey leak, I've always imagined her to be some sort of noble, or the accountant (or whatever the Thedas equivalent is) for Empress Celene or something, thus why she'd be dealing with all the trading and commerce stuff.



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That makes the most sense to me, that the Divine already had these factions in at least working order before she (possibly) dies. Then Cassandra basically recruits them into the Inquisition. I think it's a fair guess that Leliana will be our first advisor, because she's the connection to the Warden and to the Divine and Cassandra and her traveled together recently.
 
I'd be shocked if we could fail getting any of the advisors, because they seem to be necessary to the Keep gameplay mechanics, and the Keep mechanics seem to be very vital to the game itself. That's why I'm really digging this theory: having the advisors join because of the Divine, or because of Cassandra. That way the multiple Inquisitors don't really matter--they join despite you, not because of you.

 

I guess it also depends on how long we get stuck in the Fade for. I mean, surely if we popped out of it again moments later then no one would be around to see us leave. So if that Game Informer article is correct where Cameron Lee says that the Soldiers find us walking out of the Fade then we would've needed to be in there for a least a substantial amount of time, even if it's just 15 minutes to an hour for someone to enter the wreckage without potentially getting themselves killed. Hell, maybe we've been in there for a week or a month and to us it seems like seconds? Which would give some credence to the idea that Cass was trying to gathering up help to deal with the Fade Breach threat in the week(s)/month(s) that passed.


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#20328
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yea I understand that new ppl come in and want to share their views on the character and perhaps bring something new to the table, im not saying  that we shouldn't discuss him at all.

But even with that, there is only so much you can talk about without having any  other information on the character..  and then the convo will end and yet again we have nothing to talk about except  either GE tweets or if a new screen shot of something else comes along

My point is more that we were in same boat when most of y'all joined us as well. Just sayin. 


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I wonder if Cullen was in on Justinia's back up plan for the Inquisition. I can see Leliana and Cass being told by her, but I wonder if Cullen was told due to him being a high level Templar still probably loyal to the Divine.

I'd say it's very likely at this point.
I honestly don't know if he knew of the back up plan, but considering Cassandra is the one behind the formation and likely the initial bulk of our forces are from the former Chantry ones, and that we have no choice in the advisors, there is no reason Cullen got picked if he rebelled with Lambert.
About the 'factions', I think that we should keep in mind that they're not likely three indipendant organizations, but something inside the Inquisition (one already called a division of it, and Cullen seems to be the general of the Inquisition's forces. I doubt our army would be formed by another organization). We have at least one (most likely two) leaders coming from Chantry ranks. They didn't form indipendant organization prior the DAI events. . They aren't 'willing to work with you' in the sense that the joined the Inqusition with their forces. They probably joined it (in my opinion at its foundation) and get appointed as leaders of the various fields.
And I want to say that I'm VERY glad they dropped those stupid names :lol:.
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#20330
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Ohh my  :wub: With how amazing the bits of music we've already heard is, this idea makes me incredibly excited!

 

I seriously cannot even begin to fathom how we are going to meet Cullen in Inquisition, where he's at politically and just how he gets pulled into leading a military faction for the Inquisitor to utilize. I love to read your guys theories though!

 

Exciting stuff, isn't it!


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And I want to say that I'm VERY glad they dropped those stupid names :lol:.

 

Have they mentioned what their factions names are or something, then?



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I wonder if Cullen was in on Justinia's back up plan for the Inquisition. I can see Leliana and Cass being told by her, but I wonder if Cullen was told due to him being a high level Templar still probably loyal to the Divine.


 I think this depends too much on what he's been doing. I could easily imagine a scenario where he was in on it with them, ahem, as we all know :), but depends on who he works for come 9:40.
 

I'd assume not. As much as I love the guy, Cullen just... not important.  :lol: If he were, I would assume there would be a mention of him in Asunder, and as far as I know, there wasn't. So I'm thinking poor Cullen is, yet again, just kind of in the worst place at the worst time with absolutely no idea why this is happening. Then either Cassandra or our Inquisitor gets him to join our cause. (Cassandra if he's our military advisor.)

Nope. First thing I searched for on my Kindle.  ^_^



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Have they mentioned what their factions names are or something, then?

Cameron called Leliana the leader of the Inquisition's division of spies and assassin, and I think he called the military advisor 'general', so it seems to me that they dropped the names.
Edit: nope, he stated that character lead the Inqusition's military force. Still it seems Cullen will be a form of general. It woudn't make sense to me if our army got called with a particular name like red fists.
Double edit: he didn't even call the Leliana team a division. I wonder where I've read it :huh:.

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Ok, I'm totally brainstorming, but I am assuming that Justinia at least knows who he is, because he would have been the only Templar left in charge of The Gallows after Meredith.



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It's entirely possible that Leliana, Cullen and that other woman already had their factions and Cassandra had been running around asking them to join the cause (on the behalf of the Divine, or for justice of the Divine's death). Leliana would've likely said yes immediately, so all they'd have to do is round the other two up. Cullen was (and probably still is) Divine loyal so I doubt he would've been hard to rope into helping, which just leaves the other lady who clearly decides to help for some reason or another. Then maybe when our protagonist pops out of the Fade with the ability to close the Fade rifts 'n' sh!t Cass/the Divine just adds him/her to the mix.

Which would also explain,why these three people are crucial to the inquisition and why we can't kick them out(as some people have mentioned that they'd like to do). Advisers can be replaceable,unless they provide the organization with vital resources such as available military manpower,espionage and wealth/public relation.
In this manner they  indeed become something like "pillars" for the Inquisition, as one of the devs mentioned in an article,and for them to be in the last supper picture I assume that Cullen,Leliana and Scribles are irreplaceable.
I wonder,if we have a special mission for each one of them and their faction,where we have to find them and recruit/ask them to join the inquisition.To be honest I would certainly prefer that,over my inquisitor not lifting a finger and having Cassandra recruit them automatically,it'll be more engaging.


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Cameron called Leliana the leader of the Inquisition's division of spies and assassin, and I think he called the military advisor 'general', so it seems to me that they dropped the names.
Edit: nope, he stated that character lead the Inqusition's military force. Still it seems Cullen will be a form of general. It woudn't make sense to me if our army got called with a particular name like red fists.

 

The color coordination of their character models makes me think they didn't...  :unsure:


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Perhaps the back up plan was Leliana's, Cullen's and the woman in Gold & Blue's factions?

 

It could be that they were all formed by the Divine and she chose the three of them to lead each one? Maybe Cullen's faction was supposed to deal with getting rid of the red templars, dealing with the rebel ones and bringing the mages back to the circles etc, Leliana's group was to find out secrets and use Intel to blackmail and gather info to use to their advantage, and the woman in blue and gold was maybe supposed to smooze with the nobles and wealthy important folks to gain support back towards the Chantry etc? Then the blast happens, maybe the Divine gets killed, everything goes up in smoke but then a wild card appears in the form our Protagonist fresh from the Fade with our raving glow-stick hand and that's where we pick up the reins? Then the 3 factions join us because they'll be important allies for us to have.

I like this idea. Makes me realize that Cullen may be really suspicious of us as well, when we walk out of the Fade. Heh. Fun, romancey times. 

 

Well, if Cullen wasn't in on the big secret, what the hell would make Leliana and Cass choose him to be the head of military operations? I'm assuming that picking up Cullen was a plan that those two had put forward, not just cause the Inquisitor wanted to make him military leader.

I don't think anyone would need to be in on the Divine's secret plan to create an Inquisition for them to ultimately be part of it.  In principle, you could ask the same question of Scribe girl, or any of the companions. I could easily see the Inquisition being formed by Cass and Lel, and then they go recruitin' 'good' people for the task. 



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Ok, I'm totally brainstorming, but I am assuming that Justinia at least knows who he is, because he would have been the only Templar left in charge of The Gallows after Meredith.

Yup.
It's possible he got promoted to a better position at some point.

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. I could easily see the Inquisition being formed by Cass and Lel, and then they go recruitin' of 'good' people for the task. 

Fair point, but still, what could have made them choose Cullen?



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I was looking at the class specialisation options earlier, specifically the mage ones and I was reading the little description on the Knight Enchanter option. Apparently it's very rare for a mage to have the strength of will to focus their energy inwards. It sounds to me like it's some sort of Arcane warrior, so I think that's what I'll probably pick for my specialisation during my first playthrough, unless Rift Mage turns out to be cooler.

 

I'm definitely not going for necromancer, just in case Cullen's all like "oh hell no!" Maker knows I'm risking it trying to romance him as a mage with no confirmation as to whether or not he'd run for the hills, lol. I was thinking though, a Knight Enchanter sounds like something Cullen would respect and maybe feel more comfortable around in the "oh sh!t, is he/she gonna turn into an abomination" stakes, especially because to be one is rare and takes a lot of will power, and strength of will is what a mage needs in order to ignore the "infernal whisperings of the demons".


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And I want to say that I'm VERY glad they dropped those stupid names :lol:.

Do we know that they did this...?



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Cameron called Leliana the leader of the Inquisition's division of spies and assassin, and I think he called the military advisor 'general', so it seems to me that they dropped the names.
Edit: nope, he stated that character lead the Inqusition's military force. Still it seems Cullen will be a form of general. It woudn't make sense to me if our army got called with a particular name like red fists.
Double edit: he didn't even call the Leliana team a division. I wonder where I've read it :huh:.

 

"General Cullen"... that sounds like the title of a folder full of Cullen related pictures. "Naked Cullen", "Angry Cullen", "Cullen in love", "General Cullen" (that's where all the miscellaneous Cullen pics go!)  :lol: 


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I guess it also depends on how long we get stuck in the Fade for. I mean, surely if we popped out of it again moments later then no one would be around to see us leave. So if that Game Informer article is correct where Cameron Lee says that the Soldiers find us walking out of the Fade then we would've needed to be in there for a least a substantial amount of time, even if it's just 15 minutes to an hour for someone to enter the wreckage without potentially getting themselves killed. Hell, maybe we've been in there for a week or a month and to us it seems like seconds? Which would give some credence to the idea that Cass was trying to gathering up help to deal with the Fade Breach threat in the week(s)/month(s) that passed.

 

I don't think we could be in there too long, but I never considered us being in the Fade for longer than a few minutes. [TAPS CHIN] A month seems too long, but a week or two could make sense. If it's too long, then how would Cassandra connect us to the initial blast instead of just assuming we were a demon (as her monologue in the trailer suggests)? That's what makes me think we step out pretty soon after the initial explosion.

 

Man, I just wanna know more about everything. Was it a singular blast that killed thousands of people? Did that mean the blast was huge, or that people were all crowded together? Could there be multiple blasts? 



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The color coordination of their character models makes me think they didn't...  :unsure:

The fact that they kept the colour themes of those groups doesn't mean that the groups' name still exist.
I mean, they described them as the Inquisition's pillars, not indipendant groups. Putting aside my distaste of those names, it seems weird that my army would get a group's name and its leader being called 'leader of the x group' and not general of the army.

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Which would also explain,why these three people are crucial to the inquisition and why we can't kick them out(as some people have mentioned that they'd like to do). Advisers can be replaceable,unless they provide the organization with vital resources such as available military manpower,espionage and wealth/public relation.
In this manner they  indeed become something like "pillars" for the Inquisition, as one of the devs mentioned in an article,and for them to be in the last supper picture I assume that Cullen,Leliana and Scribles are irreplaceable.
I wonder,if we have a special mission for each one of them and their faction,where we have to find them and recruit/ask them to join the inquisition.To be honest I would certainly prefer that,over my inquisitor not lifting a finger and having Cassandra recruit them automatically,it'll be more engaging.

 

I hope so! I don't want them to just be automatically part of it from the minute we put on that over sized helmet!


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I was looking at the class specialisation options earlier, specifically the mage ones and I was reading the little description on the Knight Enchanter option. Apparently it's very rare for a mage to have the strength of will to focus their energy inwards. It sounds to me like it's some sort of Arcane warrior, so I think that's what I'll probably pick for my specialisation during my first playthrough, unless Rift Mage turns out to be cooler.

 

I'm definitely not going for necromancer, just in case Cullen's all like "oh hell no!" Maker knows I'm risking it trying to romance him as a mage with no confirmation as to whether or not he'd run for the hills, lol. I was thinking though, a Knight Enchanter sounds like something Cullen would respect and maybe feel more comfortable around in the "oh sh!t, is he/she gonna turn into an abomination" stakes, especially because to be one is rare and takes a lot of will power, and strength of will is what a mage needs in order to ignore the "infernal whisperings of the demons".

I have a theory that rift mage focuses more on spatial manipulation, i.e. the manipulation of rifts, and the talents of that class focus on localized teleportation and other such feats.

 

As for Knight Enchanter, I almost imagine it to be similar to the Dragon Armor Shout in Skyrim, as well as maybe creating swords and lances of arcane energy like the Bound Sword spell in Skyrim and the Blades spell in Fable.



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Fair point, but still, what could have made them choose Cullen?

 

(Because the fans demand it!)



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Do we know that they did this...?


In truth, no. It just seems so to me. Their role changed from indipendant groups to the Inquisition's pillars. The red fists is now our military force. I don't see why they'd name an army 'Red fists' instead of simply the Inqusition's army.
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#20349
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I wonder,if we have a special mission for each one of them and their faction,where we have to find them and recruit/ask them to join the inquisition.To be honest I would certainly prefer that,over my inquisitor not lifting a finger and having Cassandra recruit them automatically,it'll be more engaging.

I agree. Even if the 3 factions are formed by the divine it will be much more interesting if the inquisitor has to find and recruit them. This way it seems like the inquisitor thus have some power over the formation of the inquisition.


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"General Cullen"... that sounds like the title of a folder full of Cullen related pictures. "Naked Cullen", "Angry Cullen", "Cullen in love", "General Cullen" (that's where all the miscellaneous Cullen pics go!)  :lol: 

lol I could get behind that :P but seriously tho it would be interesting to see Cullen  in such a high rank, would be much stressful to be a general then a captain...