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[The Elder King]

@R2Muse: Thanks for the PAX Shot about the general being nominated .

[Sifr]

Isn't it canon?

I thought Greagoir sent him there after the Blight, when mages started returning from the war, and Cullen grew super-paranoid (what if they learnt blood magic from the darkspawn???), and Greagoir decided to send him to a quiet village to guard the local Revered Mother, and Cullen spent there a couple of months. I was going to make something about his time there, and what happened, and how it helped him, but I don't have time for that anymore.

I also headcanon that Cullen requested to transfer him to Kirkwall. It doesn't really contradict the codex, because codex probably means an official paper from Greagoir, and I imagine Cullen just sent him a letter, "It's too quiet here, and I feel better when I'm busy. Please sent me somewhere where I can be too busy to think about what happened." And Greagoir said, "Ok, you go to Kirkwall, it's always busy there." And wrote to Meredith, "Hey, keep that guy as busy as you can!" And she thought, "Awesome, I have a ton of paperwork nobody wants to do! I hope that new guy has decent handwriting!"

Mages in Kinloch Hold didn't know Cullen went to Kirkwall after Greenfell, because why would anyone tell them? They probably overheard him talking about Greenfell when he was leaving, that's all. So when we hear them chatting about it a year later, it's because they think Cullen still serves there.

 

This pretty much fits in which my headcanon and Asunder, where we find out that "Nobody tells me nothin'!" is the pretty much the default answer of Circle Mages whenever questioned, since the Templars never bother to tell them jack about what's going on in the Circle, who's being transferred where, who died etc.

 

And Cullen's paranoia, coupled with his stay in Greenfell and never returning, fits as the most plausible explanation for how that rumour initially started back in Ferelden about him going bonkers and killing a bunch of mages before fleeing. With the Circle severely depopulated due to the mages who died at Ostagar, Uldred's Rebellion and in the Battle of Denerim, it makes sense that very few people who knew Cullen would be left around to bust that myth.

[Galagraphia]

This pretty much fits in which my headcanon and Asunder, where we find out that "Nobody tells me nothin'!" is the pretty much the default answer of Circle Mages whenever questioned, since the Templars never bother to tell them jack about what's going on in the Circle, who's being transferred where, who died etc.

 

And Cullen's paranoia, coupled with his stay in Greenfell and never returning, fits as the most plausible explanation for how that rumour initially started back in Ferelden about him going bonkers and killing a bunch of mages before fleeing. With the Circle severely depopulated due to the mages who died at Ostagar, Uldred's Rebellion and in the Battle of Denerim, it makes sense that very few people who knew Cullen would be left around to bust that myth.

Yes, that's how I thought that rumor originated.

 

Mage 1: Do you remember that grim guy? The one who survived in Uldred's cage?

Mage 2: The paranoid one? Yes, I think Cullen was his name. Why do you ask?

Mage 1: You know, I just though that I haven't seen him lately.

Mage 2: Oh... So what?

Mage 1: And I heard two apprentices have gone missing.

Mage 2: That happens all the time. Failed their Harrowings maybe.

Mage 1: But what if that Cullen guy did that!

Mage 2: What?

Mage 1: Think about that! He was always going on about how it was a mistake that the Hero of Ferelden saved us. He hates all mages! 

Mage 2: So you think Cullen is trying to fix that? That we survived, I mean.

Mage 1: Yes! He's the murderer! He killed them! And then ran off before other templars could catch him. Or maybe they did catch him, and sent to Aeonar. And that's why he's not here anymore!

Mage 2: ... Oh, sh**.

[R2s Muse]

Ah...but our lore discussion...
 
Nah, later Lady R2!

I know! Sorry! Had to put the boy to bed, then fell asleep myself. Awesome discussion, tho. Now trying to catch back up...
 
 

So maybe what the old chantry feared was the power the mages may have to open the veil and free the old Gods?

I love this. Heh. What a great conspiracy theory. The Chantry wasn't concerned about general safety from the mages... but something much worse?

[R2s Muse]

justinia knows Cullen because Leliana knew Cullen when he was in Ferelden. In my playthrough she was with the Warden and Wynne when he was rescued. Even if not there Lelianna would have heard about what had happened. Obviously Cullen is a man of strong faith and character to have withstood all the torture and abuse he received. Leliana was also in Kirkwall prior to the end game and likely did some recon then for the Devine. So it is possible that the Devine knew of Cullen before he helped take down Meredith.

I wonder if Leliana took Cullen back to Orlais with her (in other words recruited him) when she and Cass came to Kirkwall in the aftermath looking for Hawke. Cullen could provide good intel about the training and tactics of templars (including Red Templars) as well as how to deal with Abomin ations, so hevwould be a valuable assest to them as some Templars are leaving the Chantry.

This is all possible... Cullen being recruited by the Divine in 9:37, however, runs into the boundary condition that the Divine, Cassandra and Leliana didn't seem to really know what happened in Kirkwall until after Cass talked to Varric. Hard to reconcile him being an insider that whole time and them not asking him about it.

[R2s Muse]

I still think there's a connection between the Old God of Chantry and the Elven.....Creator Spirits/ I forgot what Merrill called them. But that whole story w/ both side being tricked by Fen Harel, and being locked away. Some underground. Some...in the skies?
 
Not connected, but why did Dumat deceive the Magisters? Corypheus says when they got there it was already Black...or implies that. Sum have said it was instant transformation, which I can see being the case. But overall something does not pass the whiff test here.
 
I get the impression that the magisters were used for something. Led on a merry chase. And remember the Old Gods first whispered into the ears of the humans. It's like the human tribes brought these Old Gods there.
 
And Gaider said something once abt the Old Gods..were not created (i think he also said they were not a part of the Creator's plan?) I'm fuzzy on that part, but I remeber him saying the old gods were not actually created. Did he mean they were  not created by the Maker? Or....?

Yes, he did say that. It's all very cloak and dagger. http://forum.bioware...page-3?p=508158 "The Old Gods were not creators, though they were supposedly also not created. The Old Gods were outside of the Creator's Plan and showed up to whisper to mankind and teach them magic."
 
 

Hold up. The Magisters broke into the city long before the Chant came to be. The Chant came during Andraste's time, which was after the First Blight.

Right. Doesn't mean that someone didn't write a verse of the Chant about it that someone decided later was unfashionable.

[R2s Muse]

Wait - If Leliana isn't a Seeker, why did she have the Seeker armor on in DA2? *is confused* Someone set me straight, please.
 
I meant to quote R2 on this.

This may have been answered, but DG has stated definitively that she is not a Seeker, even suggesting that Seekers do not have a uniform...
 
From DG on twitter:
"Leliana isn't a Seeker at all. Why would you think she is?"

"If one is assuming that's a Seeker symbol, then sure. She was wearing the armor. Still not a Seeker. :)"

The uniform part (from the link below) is odd, but nevertheless, he was rather clear.

http://forum.bioware...age-3?p=7241455

[R2s Muse]

I assume he would be! Frankly I'd kind of worry about his judgment if he wasn't a little anxious.
 
I've said this plenty of times, but between stepping physically out of the Fade, the glowing hand, and the rift-closing powers, I'm not sure Cullen would necessary see a huge difference between a mage Inquisitor and a non-mage Inquisitor - surely both would push his comfort zone under the circumstances.

Indeed. I would hope this would be a big part of our initial interactions with him. On one hand, it's his duty to work with  you, but privately he's very leery of you and your possibly shady involvement with the Fade rip. Then we'd get to see how good of an actor he is. Heh. 
 
OR!
 
What if he's one of the ones that thinks there's some divine hand at work in you stepping out of the Fade? Heh! We all see him as being very devout... what if that bleeds into the way he interacts with us? Then, you constantly have to reassure him... "No, Cullen, I'm nothing divine. Nothing special, even. Stop bowing everytime you see me... Jeesh."
 

If we look at the Inquisition emblem, we can see that it consists of 3 symbols: Chantry's sun, Sekeers' eye, and Templars' sword. It either means that we are a part of the Chantry, or that we are above all the 3 organizations, or that we unite them for the greater good or something like that.

That's the weird thing, tho. The Inquisition symbols predates the Seeker and Templar symbols, which in in-world lore derive from the Inquisition and which at the time was a Chantry organization. However, the devs were rather emphatic about our new Inquisition not being part of the Chantry, but in fact in some ways being opposed to the Chantry. So altho we're borrowing the old Inquisition's vestments, I think our new organization is a whole new ball game.

[Hellion Rex]

For some reason, I doubt Cullen is the one who thinks we are some sort of "Chosen One". Same with Cass, she wouldn't buy into any of that. That stuff sounds right up Leliana's alley.

[R2s Muse]

Isn't it canon?
I thought Greagoir sent him there after the Blight, when mages started returning from the war, and Cullen grew super-paranoid (what if they learnt blood magic from the darkspawn???), and Greagoir decided to send him to a quiet village to guard the local Revered Mother, and Cullen spent there a couple of months. I was going to make something about his time there, and what happened, and how it helped him, but I don't have time for that anymore.
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Mages in Kinloch Hold didn't know Cullen went to Kirkwall after Greenfell, because why would anyone tell them? They probably overheard him talking about Greenfell when he was leaving, that's all. So when we hear them chatting about it a year later, it's because they think Cullen still serves there.

I thought it was canon as well, but since it's only mentioned by those gossipers in WH and not in his codex or anything, I guess not? It's also what I assume happened. They had to have done *something* to help him "level out." Plus, they were developing Witch Hunt at the same time they were developing DA2, with several refs to the new game in it (including Seekers refs). So this is what I prefer to believe.



Like Gala says, it makes sense... and that whole timeline around the DLCs is wonky anyway.

[R2s Muse]

For some reason, I doubt Cullen is the one who thinks we are some sort of "Chosen One". Same with Cass, she wouldn't buy into any of that. That stuff sounds right up Leliana's alley.

Mmm, I dunno. I guess I tend to headcanon that that's a difference between Cass and Cullen, that he's much more devout than she is. She seems very practical, he seems very driven by his duty to Andraste and her commandments (for lack of a better word). But he also seems like a naturally skeptical dude... despite his obliviousness . So who knows! It's just a fun idea.

[Hellion Rex]

Edited. Never mind.

[R2s Muse]

Edited. Never mind.

Wut?? 

[LolaLei]

I don't get that. I'm probably the only person on Earth who likes Ander's voice better in DA2. It just doesn't sound like Greg Ellis to me, like they messed with the pitch or something. Sounds kinda high. I don't know, like I said, it's just me i'm sure.

 

He sounds different because he's using a Northern accent and he's made his voice sound slightly younger and more juvenile. He's very good at throwing his voice to do accents and voices.

[Hellion Rex]

Wut?? 

Misread another post.

[Dirgegun]

Mmm, I dunno. I guess I tend to headcanon that that's a difference between Cass and Cullen, that he's much more devout than she is. She seems very practical, he seems very driven by his duty to Andraste and her commandments (for lack of a better word). But he also seems like a naturally skeptical dude... despite his obliviousness . So who knows! It's just a fun idea.

 

Personally I hope he's leery and sceptical. He's devout but he's also a soldier, and after what he's been through I would HOPE he's learnt to question crap that goes on around him, including the Divine and the like. Being devout doesn't mean never questioning those around you, including the 'leaders' or your religion.

 

I do agree that Leliana is the type to believe what's happened to us has a meaning, though.   

[R2s Muse]

Reminder on the Celebrations:

On the celebrations, they're just for fun. Some Cullenites use their amazing creativity to create ... whatever! Fic, poems, recipes, art, photomanips, crafts, banters, silly limericks, anything fun. See the OP for past examples. Only rule is that it should be Culleny. Some prompts for inspiration this round are Greg Ellis's tweets about raunchy talk and singing (not necessarily at same time), but it's not necessary to follow a theme at all.  When he hit page 1000, we'll post, reserving each of the 25 posts for celebration stuff (so no chit chat til it's over!). 
 
Please post any fic/writing that's longer than 500 words elsewhere and just link to it from here. Any pics/arts/crafts that are NSFW should also be posted elsewhere and only linked, with appropriate tags/warnings. 

PLACES TO POST FIC:
 
fanfiction.net
archiveofourown.org
tumblr.com
livejournal.com
deviantart.com
dreamwidth...? I don't really know about that one. 
 
Fanfic.net is probably the easiest and has by far the most traffic from readers.

AO3 has the most comprehensive tagging system, altho as a result the tags are not standardized. It's also more forgiving of mature themes (you can also include inline pics within the fic). 
 
tumblr is... tumblr. YMMV
 
I've never used LJ or DW, but I know some folks prefer them. 
 
deviantart is mostly art, but also has a lot of fic. It also has some nice groups where you can post DA fic to spread the Word of Cullen.

I also wanted to mention that I just got more AO3 invites, so if anyone needs one, send me a PM with your e-mail address.

[The Elder King]

 That's the weird thing, tho. The Inquisition symbols predates the Seeker and Templar symbols, which in in-world lore derive from the Inquisition and which at the time was a Chantry organization. However, the devs were rather emphatic about our new Inquisition not being part of the Chantry, but in fact in some ways being opposed to the Chantry. So altho we're borrowing the old Inquisition's vestments, I think our new organization is a whole new ball game.

I think it's possible that after the Nevarran Accord the Chantry split the symbol in its own, the templars' and the Seekers'.
As for being in opposition to the Chantry and not part of it, I think Cameron explained what it means pretty well in the Ausgamer interview (spoilers below, about the start of the game and the Inquisition's formation):

Spoiler

Cassandra and the divine already discussed the possibility of restoring the Inquisition, I guess that the Nevarran Accord and the Chantry's laws presented the possibility; after the Breach event, Cassandra knows the tthe Chantry ierarchy woud focus on talking and elect a new divine instead of the Breach threat, so she takes advantage of a loophole to restore the Inquisition. I think that when Darrah stated that it is formed in opposition of it is because the higher ups don't want to restore it, since the laws about the Inquisition return probably refers to the fact that the latter is indipendant and has powers and rights, even on the Chantry.
It doesn't change the fact that it is formed by a Seeker, that at least two leaders have Chantry backgrounds, and that the starting forces are likely from the remaining Chantry ones.

[Hellion Rex]

Personally I hope he's leery and sceptical. He's devout but he's also a soldier, and after what he's been through I would HOPE he's learnt to question crap that goes on around him, including the Divine and the like. Being devout doesn't mean never questioning those around you, including the 'leaders' or your religion.

I really want to see him and Cass butt heads, cause they've both had absolute sh*t bosses, and they could honestly claim that each other's respective Order is responsible.

[LolaLei]

justinia knows Cullen because Leliana knew Cullen when he was in Ferelden. In my playthrough she was with the Warden and Wynne when he was rescued. Even if not there Lelianna would have heard about what had happened. Obviously Cullen is a man of strong faith and character to have withstood all the torture and abuse he received. Leliana was also in Kirkwall prior to the end game and likely did some recon then for the Devine. So it is possible that the Devine knew of Cullen before he helped take down Meredith.

I wonder if Leliana took Cullen back to Orlais with her (in other words recruited him) when she and Cass came to Kirkwall in the aftermath looking for Hawke. Cullen could provide good intel about the training and tactics of templars (including Red Templars) as well as how to deal with Abomin ations, so hevwould be a valuable assest to them as some Templars are leaving the Chantry.

 

That's entirely possible! Hell, they may have gone straight to him after Varric or something. You would think that they'd at least spoken with him if he was still in the area. 

[Dirgegun]

I really want to see him and Cass butt heads, cause they've both had absolute sh*t bosses, and they could honestly claim that each other's respective Order is responsible.

 

I could see them arguing about military strategy too! Cullen, I could see playing to caution, while Cassandra... she's certainly a strong and smart warrior, but she seems much more gunho than Cullen. So I could see her being very 'what are you stalling for?! Give us the word to charge!" 

[R2s Muse]

As for being in opposition to the Chantry and not part of it, I think Cameron explained what it means pretty well in the Ausgamer interview (spoilers below, about the start of the game and the Inquisition's formation):

Spoiler

Cassandra and the divine already discussed the possibility of restoring the Inquisition, I guess that the Nevarran Accord and the Chantry's laws presented the possibility; after the Breach event, Cassandra knows the tthe Chantry ierarchy woud focus on talking and elect a new divine instead of the Breach threat, so she takes advantage of a loophole to restore the Inquisition. I think that when Darrah stated that it is formed in opposition of it is because the higher ups don't want to restore it, since the laws about the Inquisition return probably refers to the fact that the latter is indipendant and has powers and rights, even on the Chantry.

It doesn't change the fact that it is formed by a Seeker, that at least two leaders have Chantry backgrounds, and that the starting forces are likely from the remaining Chantry ones.

Yeah, that could very well be. Personally... (dunno if it's spoilery about the start of the game, but... )

Spoiler

I would be surprised if the Chantry leaders are debating whether or not to bring back the Inqusition, tho. Given that it's a loophole, my guess is that Cass brings it out as Justinia's secret Plan B, while the rest of the Chantry is, as you say, too busy squabbling about other things instead of worrying a bout the Breach. So, she says... "OK, NEVERMIND. We'll just be the Inquisition instead. BOOM! Now you have no power over us and we'll deal with the Breach threat as we see fit."

[BFace]

Yeah, that could very well be. Personally... (dunno if it's spoilery about the start of the game, but... )

Spoiler

I would be surprised if the Chantry leaders are debating whether or not to bring back the Inqusition, tho. Given that it's a loophole, my guess is that Cass brings it out as Justinia's secret Plan B, while the rest of the Chantry is, as you say, too busy squabbling about other things instead of worrying a bout the Breach. So, she says... "OK, NEVERMIND. We'll just be the Inquisition instead. BOOM! Now you have no power over us and we'll deal with the Breach threat as we see fit."

That seems very in line, to me, with Cassandra's personality, actually. 

[Hellion Rex]

Yeah, that could very well be. Personally... (dunno if it's spoilery about the start of the game, but... )

Spoiler

I would be surprised if the Chantry leaders are debating whether or not to bring back the Inqusition, tho. Given that it's a loophole, my guess is that Cass brings it out as Justinia's secret Plan B, while the rest of the Chantry is, as you say, too busy squabbling about other things instead of worrying a bout the Breach. So, she says... "OK, NEVERMIND. We'll just be the Inquisition instead. BOOM! Now you have no power over us and we'll deal with the Breach threat as we see fit."

I could see this. And perhaps this is where our "opposition" to the Chantry comes in. Cass makes the decision to make the Inquisition anyway, despite the protests of more conservative Chantry leaders who are hesitant to act at all.

[The Elder King]

Yeah, that could very well be. Personally... (dunno if it's spoilery about the start of the game, but... )

Spoiler

I would be surprised if the Chantry leaders are debating whether or not to bring back the Inqusition, tho. Given that it's a loophole, my guess is that Cass brings it out as Justinia's secret Plan B, while the rest of the Chantry is, as you say, too busy squabbling about other things instead of worrying a bout the Breach. So, she says... "OK, NEVERMIND. We'll just be the Inquisition instead. BOOM! Now you have no power over us and we'll deal with the Breach threat as we see fit."

I agree with you.

Spoiler

I probably expressed myself badly. With the Chantry higher ups not wanting to restore it I meant that they'd express that opinion after the Inquisition is formed