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#23626
Allan Schumacher

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If anyone is acting offensively towards us, they're likely doing it in other threads and to other users as well, so you're right. We should feel obligated to bring it up.

 

If you find other people doing it in other threads (or in this thread), then yes bring it up.

 

 

I mean, even in the even of some joking around between two groups about "invading" each others threads (I think it was Vivienne and Solas threads?), it's actually something that is a little sensitive because hostility levels HAVE escalated in the past and I don't want people coming onto the forum and feeling threatened because they like a character, or anyone to escalate it.  So even joking about it kinda made me go "ehhhhhhhh."

 

I know Cullen fans have to deal with their share of trolls too.  Remember the report and ignore functions as they are there to help you not have to deal with that sort of stuff, because you shouldn't have to.

 

Cheers.


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Okay Allan, will do! Sorry!
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And I'm sorry to you my fellow Cullenites. I love the forum and don't want any problems. I hate my sarcastic brain. ^_^

But um... *cough* how bout that Cullen? :whistle:
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And I'm sorry to you my fellow Cullenites. I love the forum and don't want any problems. I hate my sarcastic brain. ^_^

Nah, I wouldn't worry about it.  :)


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And I'm sorry to you my fellow Cullenites. I love the forum and don't want any problems. I hate my sarcastic brain. ^_^

 

Nah, we love you! Never change!  :)


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And I'm sorry to you my fellow Cullenites. I love the forum and don't want any problems. I hate my sarcastic brain. ^_^

 

No need to apologize. I think this was all blown way out of proportion. No one in this thread has ever threatened to invade another thread or talked trash about another thread or anything of the sort. Evidently, we aren't supposed to talk about it when we're (or anyone) is bullied. Just report it, I guess. And talk about it via PM. Because yeah, when someone makes you feel bad about yourself, even online, you sometimes need to talk about it. Sorry, I am just not a fan of "blaming the victim" mentality.


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And I'm sorry to you my fellow Cullenites. I love the forum and don't want any problems. I hate my sarcastic brain. ^_^

 

No no no, stawwp. :( We LOVE your sarcastic brain and no more blaming yourself for anything.


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And I'm sorry to you my fellow Cullenites. I love the forum and don't want any problems. I hate my sarcastic brain. ^_^

But um... *cough* how bout that Cullen? :whistle:

 

I don't think you should feel too bad about it, I doubt it was only because of you that Allan made the post. Although I'm kinda still wondering what he wants us not to do exactly I think one of my post earlier were the reason he wanted to spank us lol ^^ So don't think it's your fault or that you should feel bad about it : )


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#23634
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Why you no answer my question, ilikesocks? :(



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Yeah, I do think it would be possible to lose an adviser. Personally, I don't think it would be for simply disagreeing with them - I think that would be expected in their role. I think you'd be in danger of losing them if your Inquisitor started making decisions that were past basic moral boundaries or were off-the-rails crazy, though.


I think this may be the reason why blood magic is not accessible anymore. It must be a trigger for Cass, and Cullen, and other members of our Inquisition would most likely disapprove, so it had to be cut out to avoid our comrades chopping our head off. And I hope without it I won't be tempted to do something bad enough to make them leave. Besides, Inquisition is supposed to be all about saving the world, so I expect for the sake of this goal our companions will try to at least tolerate each other and us even if we fail to unite them into an epic team :)
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#23636
Allan Schumacher

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No need to apologize. I think this was all blown way out of proportion. No one in this thread has ever threatened to invade another thread or talked trash about another thread or anything of the sort. Evidently, we aren't supposed to talk about it when we're (or anyone) is bullied. Just report it, I guess. And talk about it via PM. Because yeah, when someone makes you feel bad about yourself, even online, you sometimes need to talk about it. Sorry, I am just not a fan of "blaming the victim" mentality.

 

If you feel you're being bullied, please escalate the issue with the moderating staff and utilize the ignore function to prevent reading further abuse.  If you feel I'm blaming the victim because someone else took issue with a comment in a different thread, lets discuss this further because I'm not sure how I am, especially within the context of what posts I saw and what threads it seemed to be coming from.

 

So rather than keeping airing this further (I just about wrote a large post explaining why I felt compelled to post) without the thread understanding....  If I discuss it further, there's a chance it may just be perceived as continued victim blaming, which I don't want to do.  But I am hoping that if I elaborate, people may understand.  Should I share it with PM?  Are people curious?  I can't take back the posts that I have started but in effect what I saw was a misunderstanding that in a post that set off warning bells for me, within the context of a thread that in my opinion contains a lot of general "Fans of Cullen discussion" as opposed to "Discussion about Cullen" for the last 10 or so pages.

 

So what would people prefer that I do?


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#23637
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So what would people prefer that I do?

 

I'm not completely sure what you are refering exactly and what you would us not to do. I got feeling it's that you don't want us to complain about other parts of forum and other users? That you don't want there to be "us against them"-spirit? I wonder if I have misunderstood.


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Why you no answer my question, ilikesocks? :(


Someone jumped on me in another thread and I made a sarcastic remark about it here. The end. Shouldn't have done it. I doubt I'll go into any other threads from now on because it seems like people don't understand my sometimes sarcastic comments about Cullen. I don't want anymore blow back from it. I feel really crappy about it affecting the entire thread. I assume it was me since Allan said it happened a few pages back. I am terribly sorry to everyone and really embarrassed. Let's talk about something pleasant, please.

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I'm not completely sure what you are refering exactly and what you would us not to do. I got feeling it's that you don't want us to complain about other parts of forum and other users? That you don't want there to be "us against them"-spirit? I wonder if I have misunderstood.


Yes I agree 100% with Panda! I think I'm confused about what the concern is exactly and what you would like us to change or stop doing. Thanks!
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If you feel you're being bullied, please escalate the issue with the moderating staff and utilize the ignore function to prevent reading further abuse.  If you feel I'm blaming the victim because someone else took issue with a comment in a different thread, lets discuss this further because I'm not sure how I am, especially within the context of what posts I saw and what threads it seemed to be coming from.

 

So rather than keeping airing this further (I just about wrote a large post explaining why I felt compelled to post) without the thread understanding....  If I discuss it further, there's a chance it may just be perceived as continued victim blaming, which I don't want to do.  But I am hoping that if I elaborate, people may understand.  Should I share it with PM?  Are people curious?  I can't take back the posts that I have started but in effect what I saw was a misunderstanding that in a post that set off warning bells for me, within the context of a thread that in my opinion contains a lot of general "Fans of Cullen discussion" as opposed to "Discussion about Cullen" for the last 10 or so pages.

 

So what would people prefer that I do?

 

It might be worth making a sticky post in the main forums with the rules/what they should do if they feel they are being victimised/behave yourself or you'll get the ban hammer, etc. Either way, I think it would be worth reminding the whole forum that it's fine to dislike a character/design/aspect of BioWare games but attacking the fans/supporters will not be tolerated.

 

Also, how would I go about becoming a moderator? I've been here a few years now, I think I'd like to give it a shot... with permission, of course. 


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I'm not completely sure what you are refering exactly and what you would us not to do. I got feeling it's that you don't want us to complain about other parts of forum and other users? That you don't want there to be "us against them"-spirit? I wonder if I have misunderstood.

Did you hear about how the Mass Effect 3 romance forum got locked?



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Did you hear about how the Mass Effect 3 romance forum got locked?

 

Eeesh, I remember that one!



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It might be worth making a sticky post in the main forums with the rules/what they should do if they feel they are being victimised/behave yourself or you'll get the ban hammer, etc. Either way, I think it would be worth reminding the whole forum that it's fine to dislike a character/design/aspect of BioWare games but attacking the fans/supporters will not be tolerated.

 

Also, how would I go about becoming a moderator? I've been here a few years now, I think I'd like to give it a shot... with permission, of course. 

I'm not Allan or any mod/admin, but based on what I've seen, I don't think they really take user mods anymore focusing more on dev mods or the biomods we have.  The user mods I've seen are generally people who were mods years ago(possibly before even the BSN?).



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Did you hear about how the Mass Effect 3 romance forum got locked?

 

Nope I'm rather new here :)



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Anyway, I don't actually KNOW what happened back at that time, but from what I understand, it basically turned into a fandoms war where users from different threads invaded into other threads and such.  I'm sure there was more to it.  Also, its not about "You can't complain about other users on the forum, or about what's happened to you.".  It's about not doing it in plain sight.  When you complain and talk about it in a place where the same users can read what you're posting, it usually only raises animosity and tensions possibly between groups.  I would assume that's why we have a 'If you see someone doing something you think is harmful or against the rules, simply report it instead of getting into a fight.'  The mods already frown on bringing up issues from one thread into others as well.


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Reading this thread back... wow, it got a little deep in here.

 

My own two cents- I agree that posters attacking each other is absolutely wrong and shouldn't be tolerated let alone encouraged. I do feel however that people can get a little too invested in certain characters. Some will take it as a personal insult if you have any negative views about the character. I encountered this first hand in another thread. I wouldn't like it if people should have to censor their views about a character just because someone somewhere will inevitably take it as a personal insult.

 

I also think that as an official discussion thread, this should also be a safe-space for people to air their views on Cullen without fear of attack, even if those views aren't particularly to people's taste (within reason.) Obviously the same goes for the other discussion threads as well. 


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I'm not Allan or any mod/admin, but based on what I've seen, I don't think they really take user mods anymore focusing more on dev mods or the biomods we have.  The user mods I've seen are generally people who were mods years ago(possibly before even the BSN?).

 

Meh, still worth asking if only to get a rough idea of how to go about it for future purposes. I'd like to get some first hand experience behind me as I'm seriously considering going into community management, I already have the qualifications in place as it is and I'm a YouTuber so I'm good with the whole social media side of things already. 


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All I said was, if Scribbles were to hit on Cullen, I would kick her in the face. I thought it was clear that I was joking, but it apparently wasn't. Two people were offended by that statement (this was in the married companions thread) mind you, I didn't just type what actual words I used, because I can't remember all the bits. Anyways, I was joking about it to Lola yesterday. I thought this is what Allan was talking about, hence why I apologized. I've never criticized someone who likes a certain character OR a character that someone else likes because why would I want to? I wouldn't want it done to me. Anyways. That's it. I'm not a bad person I just can't convey that I'm kidding properly, I guess. Fail on my part.
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All I said was, if Scribbles were to hit on Cullen, I would kick her in the face. I thought it was clear that I was joking, but it apparently wasn't. Two people were offended by that statement (this was in the married companions thread) mind you, I didn't just type what actual words I used, because I can't remember all the bits. Anyways, I was joking about it to Lola yesterday. I thought this is what Allan was talking about, hence why I apologized. I've never criticized someone who likes a certain character OR a character that someone else likes because why would I want to? I wouldn't want it done to me. Anyways. That's it. I'm not a bad person I just can't convey that I'm kidding properly, I guess. Fail on my part.

 

Don't worry about it, it's hard to tell when people are joking or making an innocent comment via written text. Once Allan comes back I'm sure he'll clarify things.


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#23650
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Anyway, I don't actually KNOW what happened back at that time, but from what I understand, it basically turned into a fandoms war where users from different threads invaded into other threads and such.  I'm sure there was more to it.  Also, its not about "You can't complain about other users on the forum, or about what's happened to you.".  It's about not doing it in plain sight.  When you complain and talk about it in a place where the same users can read what you're posting, it usually only raises animosity and tensions possibly between groups.  I would assume that's why we have a 'If you see someone doing something you think is harmful or against the rules, simply report it instead of getting into a fight.'  The mods already frown on bringing up issues from one thread into others as well.

 

I find it more an issue of "misunderstandings happen."  Often times when an argument gets started, each side perceives the other side as having made an egregious statement that started everything.  Not that this is unexpected... when I say something I have full context of what I mean but only my impressions of what the other person means.

 

 

But to borrow you for the sake of everyone else:

 

Imagine HiroVoid and I are in a thread.  I make a comment regarding my love of Cassandra because she is great and awesome.  HiroVoid chimes in with a sassy "I can't stand chantry lovers" because he is sending a not-serious jab in my direction.  Now, I read this differently than he intends, and take it as him calling me a chantry lover when oh my goodness that's not true.  Cassandra is a seeker yo, and that's different than the chantry and the one good thing.  His sass is misinterpreted by me, and in a different thread I make a comment "Man did you see that crazy guy that called me a chantry lover!? I can't believe that!"  Now I'm saying this because I think it's clear I like the Seekers, but not the Chantry.  But HiroVoid happens upon this post, sees me refer to him as crazy, and with the flippant "I can't believe that" ends up inferring that I must think he's stupid for thinking that.  Things escalate, threads get invaded, ohhhhh my. 

 

Now my example is made up and I tried to make it a bit on the silly side (no harm I hope HiroVoid! :P), but it's just sort of an example on how neither of us really did anything wrong aside from interpreting each other's posts incorrectly and things end up escalating.

 

I'll agree Cullen fans are often a target, simply because Cullen has been confirmed and there's been a decent sized group that's been a fan of his for quite some time now.  Some don't understand, or don't like Cullen or whatever, and they act inappropriately.  If you find yourself experiencing something like this in this thread or others, write up a report and ignore that poster.  If you feel you're being bullied and need/want to talk to Cullen friends (or anyone else) I actually don't have any problems with that.  It can be useful, especially to get a second opinion on a post's context, to discuss something like that.  If you absolutely need a second opinion on a reaction and can't find anyone, by all means send me a PM.  I do want people to feel safe, but I also want to make sure that miscommunications don't end up escalating (because I've seen it happen and romance/LI content has exploded in the past).  People are human and they're going to make mistakes and sometimes what I intend as a joke just doesn't come across that way at all.  Heck, I know that I have angered posters because in trying to stop an inappropriate tangent from starting up in one thread, I framed my warning with poor word choice which ended up offending someone, even though that wasn't my intent.

 

 

The mods already frown on bringing up issues from one thread into others as well.

 

I don't really see an issue with Cullen fans doing this, but there are posters that I know have histories with one another and simply by having one poster post in a thread well tend to have that poster's adversaries come in and often old baggage gets brought up and its instant thread derailment.  My standard MO for this is to tell the users to put each other on ignore.

 

 

In any case, I think this has already escalated more than I intended.  My context was that the thread often was already weaving in and out of topic (at one point I thought I clicked on the tab for the Cole thread), making me realize that this was in a lot of ways "A thread for fans of Cullen" (which I don't really have a problem with. It's a positive thread with a lot of people and posts in it) which made me realize "People could come to this thread for incidents that happen outside of this thread and it could cause a problem in the event of misunderstandings."


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