Ahh, good, I was waiting for his review. He's one of the few reviewers that actually go into detail what a game does, instead of just what they think a game feels like.
And having seen his review: nope. Not going to buy Civ:BE.
Instead going to check out his recommended Endless Legends.
Endless Legends seems good. I saw a few screenshots and it's likeable.
Legend of GrimRock II seems very good too, better than the original. It's somehow taken few elements from M&M X.
Sure. My point was that SMAC was a re-skinned version of that era's Civ version. I guess I should have been clearer about that.
Fair enough. On CivFanatics plenty of SMAC purists hate BE for the audacity of not trying to emulate or include everything SMAC had.
Bottom line is, if you enjoyed Civ V you'll probably enjoy BE, and if you hated Civ V you probably won't find anything to change your mind. 1UPT still exists, diplomacy and the AI still work on the same foundations, and you're still playing a game of Civ.
All that said... there are enough changes that I don't think calling it just a reskin is fair. BE takes a number of ambitious experiments, some working out better than others, and it's that experimentation that makes it distinct and helps further the evolution of the franchise rather than just repeat the same thing ad nauseum.
Aliens and Affinities are two examples of mechanics that are superficially similar but ultimately significant departures from past iterations. Aliens are definitely not the barbarians of old- you can coexist with them, ignore them, or benefit from them to various degress and in a much wider way than ever before. Likewise, Affinities have far more impact on gameplay and strategy than previous religions or civics/ideologies, with the gradient scale of benefits being a nice change from past Civ 'all or nothing' categories and modifiers.
The biggest thing, and I don't think this gets recognized or appreciated nearly enough, is the military implications of the tech web. Civ games are infamous for bee-line strategies in which specific tech paths (especially military techs) are clearly dominant and make for much more predictable games with less variety in tech order and such. Beyond Earth works to mitigate (or at least broaden) the spectrum of feasible tech paths by not tying military progression to specific techs. Instead of key military technologies, most of your military gains come from increasing your affinity- and affinity can come from technologies all across the tech web. While affinity-unique units are still exploitable bee-lines waiting to be balanced, overall much of the military arms race has become a matter of breadth of research rather than ideal beelines for the next gen unit.
Beyond Earth is a good game- not necessarily a great game, but I wouldn't call SMAC one either. What BE does have going for it is that it wasn't afraid to take some risks and experiment for something different- and in doing so, it became the first Civilization game which I felt I could legitimately role play in its own right.
I think you would appreciate it, Allan.
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I don't know. Maybe a massive expansion can make this game a great one.
Offtopic, but I wanted to catch up on the comment I made about checking out the Angry Joe recommendation for "EndlessLegend": this game is freaking amazing! It is EXACTLY what I hoped Civilization would be back when the hype for V was strong. The game is so complex, so rife with customizations ... yes. Just yes!
Will probably make a dedicated thread for it to show it off to people. But for now I go back and conquer some tree people with my DRAGONS!!!
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A 8/10 TBS game.
Endless Legend needs it's own thread.
My first run. I kinda screwed up in choosing my cities locations!
Eh its alright.
Its so alright I've already dumped like 80+ hours into it.
Pan-Asian ftw.
6. Purity needs an overhaul. Right now it's the least interesting of the three affinities. Their units need to do something cool beside hitting things very hard. Also, give them a big terraforming project to do or something.
I've won my games on higher difficulties by swarming my enemies with either CNDRS or Battlesuits, of which Battlesuits tend to work better.
I love the heck out of the Vertical Farming and Industrial Ecology techs.
I don't like their Super as much, but you can't have everything.
Cool. *tries to keep this thread alive*
The problem with Beyond Earth is the environment is boring. The Leaders are dull. And... soundtracks are super boring! These elements don't really attract people.
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