Really????
That's kinda sad. Nathaniel is a good character and hardly anything like his father.
I think the bigger issue was that they couldn't think of a way to make him fit into DA II story wise, but still... I guess they didn't want to have ANOTHER companion with plot armor like Leliana and Anders.
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If the game is not a complete downer and these two are in it even if just NPCs, I might actually be interested. I know i don't want another DA2 or ME3. I'll probably watch the ending on YouTube first and then decide.
Well Steve Valentine is supposedly back in the studio so Alistair must be in it. It has been discussed here.
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Seriously doubt Alistair being a companion considering he can die or become a drunk.
Though this might not be the majority. I don't think he would be a companion as he still runs a good chance of being the king. In fact, the only way he could logically be a companion is if he became a wandering drunk or stayed a warden and comes in as a warden. Maybe he gets over it after 9 years and isn't a drunk as some mentioned but given they didn't have AA and given his past and the events leading up to his becoming a drunk, well, people with histories like that who turn and especially in the time period we are dealing with would be highly unlikely to have stopped drinking.
If he is the king, it would not makes sense for him to be a companion. If we are not that long after we meet him in DA2, I can hardly see Teagan or anyone else around him allowing him to fight.
Well Steve Valentine is supposedly back in the studio so Alistair must be in it. It has been discussed here.
I just love that guy.
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We didn't really get to see Alistair die, right? All Anora said was to take him away to later be executed. It could very well be possible that in the chaos he was secretly taken away by Eamons supporters.
A bit fan fictiony, but hey. Morrigan, wynne and Leliana lived and it was the Warden that killed them.
Still though, since Alistairs VA confirmed that he'll be back kinda last minute.
I can see them as maybe temp companions.
I think the last minute confirmation was because they knew it would become common knowledge at some point. They didn't want us to know as long as possible. We would find out eventually, but depending on how long they've had people working in the studio and how long the full story has actually been done, that would also influence why he was no brought in sooner. But given that they like to release little bits of info as teaser, and there is a pretty big bit for a chunk of players who want him back, so it would probably be the thing they held off on for a while. Perhaps things are being wrapped up. Do they have a release date?
I'm looking forward to seeing Morrigan and Alistair even if they are just major NPCs. I wonder what happened to the warden. Did the warden hit the deep road early? At the end of DA2 it was strange how they said the warden just vanished. I don't care about Hawk but I thought the warden was worth seeing again.
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I'm looking forward to seeing Morrigan and Alistair even if they are just major NPCs. I wonder what happened to the warden. Did the warden hit the deep road early? At the end of DA2 it was strange how they said the warden just vanished. I don't care about Hawk but I thought the warden was worth seeing again.
The warden can never be seen again as it is the PC and they could never make it look like the pc we played. Most they could do is add the warden into the storyline on some level without actually ever adding him/her into the story as a character you see. Not impossible but tricky. It could even be voiced as long as you don't see the warden but that might be a little weird as well. So third party referencing or information left by the warden seems the only way the warden could really be in the game.
Seriously doubt Alistair being a companion considering he can die or become a drunk.
Here is the deal not everyone made him a drunk. The funny thing is that some people stabbed Morrigan and she is in.
The warden can never be seen again as it is the PC and they could never make it look like the pc we played. Most they could do is add the warden into the storyline on some level without actually ever adding him/her into the story as a character you see. Not impossible but tricky. It could even be voiced as long as you don't see the warden but that might be a little weird as well. So third party referencing or information left by the warden seems the only way the warden could really be in the game.
That sounds like a good idea. It's better then they just vanished.
We didn't really get to see Alistair die, right? All Anora said was to take him away to later be executed. It could very well be possible that in the chaos he was secretly taken away by Eamons supporters.
A bit fan fictiony, but hey. Morrigan, wynne and Leliana lived and it was the Warden that killed them.
Still though, since Alistairs VA confirmed that he'll be back kinda last minute.
I can see them as maybe temp companions.
So true.
I know several wardens that killed Leliana, Wynne and Morrigan. It came back that it was just a rumor that they were dead.
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Here is the deal not everyone made him a drunk. The funny thing is that some people stabbed Morrigan and she is in.
Well Morrigan might have healing magic. Considering she survives all those battles many of which you might have to revive or heal her depending on how they go... that is totally possible for her to survive. But if Alistair died in the US then they, I would think, would pull a replacement like they did in ME3, but I suspect they are counting on the majority decision yet will roll it like they did with ME3 substituting different people and changing lines based on decisions. Or not having people be in at all or their lines change like for the DR. If you deny Morrigan the DR, I would think she's screwed.
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So true.
I know several wardens that killed Leliana, Wynne and Morrigan. It came back that it was just a rumor that they were dead.
Yeah, they seemed pretty dead to me. Morrigan getting stabbed did not show her to be dead. It looked questionable because she fell through the mirror but could still be alive. But wynne and leliana could definitely be dead.
I wouldn't mind seeing a few temporary companions in the game for major quests and side quests, of which both Morrigan and Alistair could certainly be a part of depending on their roles in the game.
I kind of hope Cole is one such temporary companion. I know a lot of people want him as a perm, but I'd rather get another lady companion and simply have a nice meaty quest with Cole involved.
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There is no set date. Just late 2014.
Hopefully they've been at it for a while and just released that info. Either way I hope there'll be some variety and that he's not just a king no matter what you do.
A drunk that has lost all hope can be forced to become king with eamon and anora advising him.
Warden Alistair can be forced by the 1st warden for the sake of "duty"
With the world in turmoil a name can be a powerful thing to bring hope and stability. I wonder if that's why hawke and warden were kidnapped?
Yeah but Ferelden is a small piece of the pie. There are other lands. I really suspect it will be shifting like mass effect 2/3 were. Kill one and the other shows up. That's how BW does it though the leliana bit was sketchy - including her if she was dead. I bet that she used that damn feign death. Yeah. I bet she did. Clever one that girl is.
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I wouldn't mind seeing a few temporary companions in the game for major quests and side quests, of which both Morrigan and Alistair could certainly be a part of depending on their roles in the game.
I kind of hope Cole is one such temporary companion. I know a lot of people want him as a perm, but I'd rather get another lady companion and simply have a nice meaty quest with Cole involved.
Except temporary companions have crappy builds. You get them handed to you in a set state and depending on where they are, that could just be more of a pain. When you recruit someone you use them for that quest like you did with wynne. Then you build her after that, but her build had good utility as she was a healer. While not so helpful with killing enemies, she could keep your team and herself alive or better their chances. Alistair would be a sheild warrior I guess. He could be okay but I suspect he'd be more dialogue than a companion. Hopefully if they made morrigan a companion she would start better in this game than the useless stuff she came with in DAO. My god, I never found anything she had to start even remotely useful.
Except temporary companions have crappy builds. You get them handed to you in a set state and depending on where they are, that could just be more of a pain. When you recruit someone you use them for that quest like you did with wynne. Then you build her after that, but her build had good utility as she was a healer. While not so helpful with killing enemies, she could keep your team and herself alive or better their chances. Alistair would be a sheild warrior I guess. He could be okay but I suspect he'd be more dialogue than a companion. Hopefully if they made morrigan a companion she would start better in this game than the useless stuff she came with in DAO. My god, I never found anything she had to start even remotely useful.
That all just requires competent balancing of temporary companions. As well there is nothing prohibiting BioWare from allowing us to have 5 companions at once in those instances either, which would eliminate the problem many people having with being saddled with a character or class they may not want over one they do. There are a multitude of ways they could handle guests like this if they so choose to.
One way would be to let you choose their build when you get them. If you're level 20 then so are they, but all their stat and ability points are unused. Another way would be to have their questline they are involved with cater to their build and their build spec'd to their questline, so they are purpose built for those enemies and challenges. Likely decreasing the chances they'll be a burden, if not making them an asset. They could also have them be slightly over leveled in that case as well, so any incompatibility with your preferred party would be offset by their being slightly more powerful than you or the enemies.
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That all just requires competent balancing of temporary companions. As well there is nothing prohibiting BioWare from allowing us to have 5 companions at once in those instances either, which would eliminate the problem many people having with being saddled with a character or class they may not want over one they do. There are a multitude of ways they could handle guests like this if they so choose to.
One way would be to let you choose their build when you get them. If you're level 20 then so are they, but all their stat and ability points are unused. Another way would be to have their questline they are involved with cater to their build and their build spec'd to their questline, so they are purpose built for those enemies and challenges. Likely decreasing the chances they'll be a burden, if not making them an asset. They could also have them be slightly over leveled in that case as well, so any incompatibility with your preferred party would be offset by their being slightly more powerful than you or the enemies.
But they have yet in either games allowed us to build people as we wanted when we got them. Not in DAO and IIRC not in DA2. I'm sure I remember getting Anders later and having him designed a certain way and I had to change that as we progresses to he wasn't pretty useless except for healing. I only played it maybe 3 times and one I didn't get very far but I think they were already designed a certain way. Varric was an archer no matter what I did. Isabela was dual blades. Not just class but specialization was chosen and I think even some points were spent. If I am remembering this right then this is their pattern and if anything is true for BW/EA is that they follow their patterns and do things mostly the same but with each game things seem to get lazier and more mainstream. Was true for ME series and so far seems to be true for DA series.
I don't believe Gamespot said anything about them being companions, where did they say this exactly? Not sure why everyone assumes "playable character" means "companion".
That being said I have a hard time believing what Gamespot has said especially without any evidence to suggest that they even said it however you never know what Bioware has planned in this regard. While I don't believe Bioware currently has anything of the like planned it is definitely a possible.
I've never put "blatantly lying" beyond any game developer, but I'm not seeing this.
Then again, could be that Morrigan and Alistair could, for brief segments of the game, serve as temporary party members as a special bonus treat for the players. Who knows.
But certainly not as full time companions.
Oh Maker I wish ;-; but I don't think it will happen unfortunately.
Maybe they get a "Joker level" like in ME 2.
Or they have to bust us out of prison like in DA:O.
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