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[Cobra's_back]

Maybe they get a "Joker level" like in ME 2.

 

Or they have to bust us out of prison like in DA:O.

 

That would be nice. I really miss these two.

[Maria13]

I can very easily see either or both of them as quest givers, especially Alistair...

[Grieving Natashina]

The warden can never be seen again as it is the PC and they could never make it look like the pc we played. Most they could do is add the warden into the storyline on some level without actually ever adding him/her into the story as a character you see. Not impossible but tricky. It could even be voiced as long as you don't see the warden but that might be a little weird as well. So third party referencing or information left by the warden seems the only way the warden could really be in the game.

I wouldn't bank on just a third party mention.  Here's three sources about the Keep and it does get into Hawke and the Warden.  All quotes are by Mike Laidlaw.

 

http://www.ign.com/a...-save-transfers

 

So does this mean Hawke and your Warden play an important role in Inquisition? Darrah says yes -- but BioWare won't elaborate on that just yet.

 

 

http://www.neoseeker...e-inquisitions/

 

The Keep is basically a way players will be able to customize and recreate (depending on whether you've played before) Thedas as you see fit, before transferring the results to Dragon Age Inquisition.  As executive producer Mark Darrah puts it, "How did you modify your Warden and Hawke? Who were your companions? Who did you choose to romance? Who rose to power, and who fell in defeat? What legacy did you leave?"

 

 

 

http://social.biowar...35969/2#8040375

 

 

Since I'm in a sharing mood, I will put this out there: our intention is that for each major release of Dragon Age, you will take up the mantle of a new character. This does not mean your old character may never appear in future games, but as far as the core protagonist goes, if there is a DA III, it will very likely be neither Hawke nor The Warden.

 

We want to keep the series about the time and place, rather than about any singular character. While I know not everyone prefers that approach, I believe it's perfectly valid, especially if certain plans of ours to shore up world consistency (import bugs really bother me!) come to fruition, which I believe they will. 

 

And that's all I can say about that.

 

 

I'm looking for other sources now, but they have said that there is a good chance that the previous PCs will end up in the game as NPCs.

[Spectre slayer]

Both the Warden and Hawke may be in the game as npc's, they've been stating this for quite awhile and have already made up their minds about this and there's a fairly good chance they'll show up in DAI considering some articles mentioned them and that apparently the devs talked about them possibly showing up.


As for links, here's some along with a bunch of other quotes from the devs.

http://forum.bioware...rs-post-thread/

David Gaider
If they return (and are alive to do so), it would be as an NPC-- and we've said previously that, if we include them, it would be important to do it right and not as an unsatisfying cameo that would just make the very people they're included for unhappy. If we can't do that, then we just won't have them appear. Whether they appear or not, however, the question of their disappearance will need to be addressed.

What we're doing, exactly? That's a question I can't/won't answer, along with so many other questions people will have about DA3 at this point.

David Gaider
Why is that a false expectation? Obviously it's a plot thread we intend to play with. It's not going to be with you playing as the Warden, however -- ultimately that character is ours now, and while we'll tread as carefully as we can, the fact remains that new plots may use them in some capacity.

Contravention of headcanon is always a possibility whenever a sequel's involved. Gosh, I can't imagine the gnashing of teeth that would have occurred if we had used the Warden as the protagonist in DA2 and had something happen to them that they didn't imagine in their head-- like Leliana being alive. Oh noes! On that point, I'm afraid we will simply have to invoke authorial prerogative. Sorry. Hope it all makes sense once you see it play out, and thus eases your concern... but I can't promise that'll be the case.

David Gaider
I've said it before and I'll say it again: if Hawke and/or the Warden appear, they will not be playable. They are now NPC's. Ideally the player will have a say in their import state (and thus their appearance), but that does not extend to control over their actions following the end of the stories they originally appeared in. That said, I doubt we would go out of our way to have them do things which would be wildly problematic... but that really depends on what one personally considers "wildly problematic", particularly if they have very specific headcanon regarding what they believe their former PC's went on to do.

I doubt it's going to be a matter of "importing" any more than you import your world state. Rather, it would be "re-creating"... and even if there is an import of some kind, most likely you'd be free to further tweak (as I can't imagine a circumstance where we could guarantee 100% visual accurancy with an import, considering the new engine).

That's still being investigated, however, so there's nothing I can confirm regarding how either of those things would be done.

It won't be. The DA Keep should ensure that import bugs are a thing of the past, but there are always going to be items that people will believe we didn't respect enough-- by rendering irrelevant or what have you. Ideally that's not the same as actively contradicting a choice, but there will probably be no shortage of people who will read into the tone of a line to extract meaning not said (like those who held up the tone Leliana spoke some of her lines in DA2 as proof she now hated mages) or who will claim "my character wouldn't do/say that" even if motivation never comes up at all.

We'll do our best, but considering some like yourself say they just don't trust us that's hardly going to assuage your fears-- some people are going to spend their time imagining the absolute worst way we could do this, assume that's what we're going to do, and then demand we disprove their fears immediately lest the lack of disproving be taken as confirmation... which we will not do. So you'll just have to wait and see how it turns out, or panic in the meantime, whichever is your preference.

Not to sound insensitive, but that is simply how it is-- "preorder canceled!" declarations notwithstanding.


"Headcanon" refers to things which were not depicted (or even mentioned) in any game, and yet which a player holds to anyhow. That fact that it's rooted entirely in the player's imagination doesn't make it invalid (for them), but it's not something we can really make promises regarding.

Just as an addendum to this:

Yes, those who are concerned will need to come to terms with the idea that Hawke and/or the Warden may appear in DAI. If so, they will not be under your control.

As I have said previously, we'll respect the decisions that were made-- but those are actual decisions that were in the game, not things one imagines them doing after the game was over. As with other choices, those decisions may not have results that you imagined-- but neither are we going to contradict them. Meaning that, if your former PC was in a romance, we are not suddenly going to give them a new romance or say that romance never existed.

We are not, however. going to outline exactly how these characters will appear-- if they do-- or what they will or won't be doing. That's part of the plot. If someone is determined that they definitely don't want to see them at all, or simply doesn't trust us to not have things happen which are wildly contradictory to previously-established events, then now would definitely be the time to panic.

A lot of assumptions in this thread, I see.

If we brought Hawke or the Warden back into the game, and that's if, it need not be them taking a side in the mage-templar conflict-- that's not the entirety of what DAI is about, after all. Or, if they did, it need not involve them explaining at length why they are doing so.

I get that people can imagine things we could have their former PC's do or say that they wouldn't like. That's not hard. Thing is, we're well aware of the risks. We're also aware, however, that no matter what we do there's bound to be some people who are unhappy-- even if we do nothing. That being the case, we're going to proceed with what we think makes for a more compelling story, knowing that some people won't like it. You can assume we'll do it carelessly, but if one's solution is that we should avoid doing anything at all because someone might be unhappy with it... that's not going to happen.

Like I said, whatever we do some people will be unhappy. Guaranteed. Many of them will be here on these forums, because this is where the most hardcore fans hang out (if you're here a year before the game's release, and more than a year after the previous one's release, you qualify), so that's no surprise. There will be upset posts on Tumblr, DAConfessions about how they wish we'd done something else, but that will happen regardless. It's enough to make us cautious, but not so cautious as to avoid doing what we think works best for the story (and game) as a whole.

We'll probably have enough problems with some folks chafing at any attempt by the writers to give the Warden or Hawke an actual place in the story ("why can't I choose it? Why can't you just write different versions of every conversation to accommodate all my previous choices as well as my headcanon?") despite them both now being NPC's... putting them in the party would only open up calls for the player to roleplay them just as they roleplay the Inquisitor. Three PC's, in other words.

So, no. HELL no. Despite how awesome that might seem in your head, it would not be that awesome in practice.
It's a "no matter what we do with them in the story as NPC's". They've already "disappeared", so you already have some going "but my X wouldn't have disappeared! They went off to do Y!" Says who? "Says me!" Well, too bad. As of the end of the game, you are no longer playing that character. "But I don't like that! You should leave that character alone forever, and never bring up any other character as a cameo unless it's vitally important ot the story (and I approve of their usage)!"

Again: too bad, sorry. We'll do our best to respect the choices that were made, but take no responsibility for headcanon with regards to what you believe those choices led to after the end of the game in which those characters appeared.

Some people also headcanon the epilogues. If Hawke romanced Isabela in DA2, it's mentioned that they remained together afterwards... but doing what? For how long? Some people claim that means they went sailing off on Isabela's new ship, and why would Hawke ever leave her side for even a single minute? We contradict that by saying Hawke disappeared and suddenly it's a clash with headcanon-- despite "Hawke remains with Isabela forever" not being a choice we offered.

At any rate, I'm not going to get into a big discussion about it. We realize some people are very precious about their PC's, and we're not apt to go out of our way to have them do things that violate headcanon... but they obviously did something, and that involves a plot that may not be what someone had in mind. Just be aware.

Anyway as for Morrigan and Alistair being playable, I really doubt it since they've already confirmed that they'll be NPC'S who have pretty big roles.

[Mockingword]

Why are we listening to anything GAMESPOT says?

[Mike3207]

If you let Anora kill him, you get his belongings back in a chest. i seriously doubt he's alive in that scenario.

[GVulture]

I think the last minute confirmation was because they knew it would become common knowledge at some point. They didn't want us to know as long as possible. We would find out eventually, but depending on how long they've had people working in the studio and how long the full story has actually been done, that would also influence why he was no brought in sooner. But given that they like to release little bits of info as teaser, and there is a pretty big bit for a chunk of players who want him back, so it would probably be the thing they held off on for a while. Perhaps things are being wrapped up. Do they have a release date?

From what I understood, he was confirmed because they finally scheduled his recordings.