Indeed, but it makes me respect her even more for it.
I respect everybody evenly, regardless of their ways, but there are people I want to be friends with and/or romance, and those that I don't. Morrigan is a nice friend.
I just wish I had more romances in RPG's where ( as I said earlier in this thread ) are the focus.
Would definitely be more interesting. Especially when mixed with important story arcs.
Edit: I can see a Bonnie and Clyde version of a Mage Romance.
It is also speculated that Morrigans dad may have been Maric
If you read the comic, Flemeth wanted Marc to do a task. It doesn't state she slept with him. It is not stated in "The Silent Grove" or "The Stolen Throne".
What we do know is that Marc travel with the Elf Mage fathered a child and Alistair was born the same year Marc went into the deep roads. That baby was given to Marc as his child.
You're trusting a potentially very powerful child to someone who's known to be self interested and in love with power as an expression of strength and freedom.
It's like agreeing to give nukes to the cannibal warlords of Africa.
It is hard to see a child as a nuke. Morrigan did hate some of the things her mother did. She may soften and have feeling for this child. The child doesn't have to be evil. It can be powerful and decide not to be evil.
Nah, but it's irrelevant. I just don't have any problem with incest.
*southern melody played on the banjo running in the background*
*southern melody played on the banjo running in the background*
It is hard to see a child as a nuke. Morrigan did hate some of the things her mother did. She may soften and have feeling for this child. The child doesn't have to be evil. It can be powerful and decide not to be evil.
A child with the soul of an old god inside of it, in the hands of someone who sees nothing wrong leaving Redcliffe to its fate. Nothing wrong with making deals with Magisters in the Alienage, nothing wrong with watching her own kind be murdered and even actively tries to convince you to let it happen.
It's a foolish notion that I would expect the Bush administration to support.
It is hard to see a child as a nuke. Morrigan did hate some of the things her mother did. She may soften and have feeling for this child. The child doesn't have to be evil. It can be powerful and decide not to be evil.
Morrigan does change because of The Warden, and the protagonist can persuade her to change her mind about certain issues, like the scene with Wynne and the Circle mages, for example. There was also a comic from Gaider and Aimo that was supposed to be included in the game, but wasn't because of time and budget constraints, showing that the Dark Ritual could be about saving the life of a friend or lover (if Morrigan and The Warden were close).
I couldn't decide which one of them was evil Morrigan or Flemeth or was the dark ritual bad or good. Whenever I see Flemeth she never does anything bad and she even helps you in the beginning of both DAO and DA2. Of course she has her own reasons to do it. Morrigan knows Flemeth best but she wants to kill her because she has read from the grimoire that Flemeth has only raised her so that she could take her body. I guess everybody thinks that grimoire is real in the game but I'm not sure about it. It's just a book and Flemeth could have written it just to confuse everybody and that could have fitted her character. I guess dark ritual is considered bad because that feeling I got from the game and the name implies that it isn't anything good. So by doing it you could end the blight and that would be a good thing or it might make things even worse. I guess everything is so vague so that almost anything can happen in the future.
A child with the soul of an old god inside of it, in the hands of someone who sees nothing wrong leaving Redcliffe to its fate. Nothing wrong with making deals with Magisters in the Alienage, nothing wrong with watching her own kind be murdered and even actively tries to convince you to let it happen.
It's a foolish notion that I would expect the Bush administration to support.
This is not the Bush admin is it?
We are talking about a child. You are making the assumption that the child will never be able to think for itself. It is like saying children with corrupt parents are all corrupt. There is a chance the child will not be what Morrigan wants. Just like Morrigan did not totally agree with her mother. If you ask Morrigan will the child be evil she states the archdemon is evil because of the taint. She doesn't always tell the turth but should we assume the child is evil without proof.
The Bush admin doesn't come to mind. How about the ACLU? It seems a better fit.
Morrigan does change because of The Warden, and the protagonist can persuade her to change her mind about certain issues, like the scene with Wynne and the Circle mages, for example. There was also a comic from Gaider and Aimo that was supposed to be included in the game, but wasn't because of time and budget constraints, showing that the Dark Ritual could be about saving the life of a friend or lover (if Morrigan and The Warden were close).
I agree. I always tried to make her a friend. It isn't easy the hell she went through. She is a character that I really wish I had more time with.
I agree. I always tried to make her a friend. It isn't easy the hell she went through. She is a character that I really wish I had more time with.
Morrigan actually has some nice dialogue, despite some people bringing up the worst examples about her. She comes to the defense of the Dwarven Warden when Alistair remarks on how the person doesn't know where Orzammar is. Morrigan can discuss how she has become friends with The Warden, if the player becomes friendly with her. In a romance, there are the implications behind the ring she gives to the protagonist, she's clearly conflicted when The Warden expresses that he doesn't want to lose her, and she stays behind when she admits she sensed the Warden-Commander's approach to the Eluvian of the Dragonbone Wastes. There's also the "gift" she leaves behind, in addition to returning the elven tome.
As for the child (the Old God Baby), I didn't get any malevolent impression from Morrigan's dialogue, unlike some people in this thread; the child isn't corrupted by the taint like the Old Gods are (as you pointed out earlier), and she wants to empower the child because she knows change is coming to Thedas. With Yavana (her alleged sister) talking about the importance of dragons, there may be more to Morrigan's actions than we realize. As Yavana cautioned, “In destroying what it does not understand, mankind would destroy itself.”
I couldn't decide which one of them was evil Morrigan or Flemeth or was the dark ritual bad or good. Whenever I see Flemeth she never does anything bad and she even helps you in the beginning of both DAO and DA2. Of course she has her own reasons to do it. Morrigan knows Flemeth best but she wants to kill her because she has read from the grimoire that Flemeth has only raised her so that she could take her body. I guess everybody thinks that grimoire is real in the game but I'm not sure about it. It's just a book and Flemeth could have written it just to confuse everybody and that could have fitted her character. I guess dark ritual is considered bad because that feeling I got from the game and the name implies that it isn't anything good. So by doing it you could end the blight and that would be a good thing or it might make things even worse. I guess everything is so vague so that almost anything can happen in the future.
If you ask Flemeth for knowledge and spells in DAO after she saved you (i.e. the scene before Morrigan join you, need to be a mage I think to have the dialog option), she's going to tell you that her magic is not taught in books and that it takes years to learn...
Morrigan actually has some nice dialogue, despite some people bringing up the worst examples about her. She comes to the defense of the Dwarven Warden when Alistair remarks on how the person doesn't know where Orzammar is. Morrigan can discuss how she has become friends with The Warden, if the player becomes friendly with her. In a romance, there are the implications behind the ring she gives to the protagonist, she's clearly conflicted when The Warden expresses that he doesn't want to lose her, and she stays behind when she admits she sensed the Warden-Commander's approach to the Eluvian of the Dragonbone Wastes. There's also the "gift" she leaves behind, in addition to returning the elven tome.
As for the child (the Old God Baby), I didn't get any malevolent impression from Morrigan's dialogue, unlike some people in this thread; the child isn't corrupted by the taint like the Old Gods are (as you pointed out earlier), and she wants to empower the child because she knows change is coming to Thedas. With Yavana (her alleged sister) talking about the importance of dragons, there may be more to Morrigan's actions than we realize. As Yavana cautioned, “In destroying what it does not understand, mankind would destroy itself.”
Totally agree and well stated.
I have found that i don't want to kill a dragon if i don't have to. It goes against everything i believe. To kill them because we fear them to the point of extinction without a direct threat seems so very wrong.
I couldn't decide which one of them was evil Morrigan or Flemeth or was the dark ritual bad or good. Whenever I see Flemeth she never does anything bad and she even helps you in the beginning of both DAO and DA2. Of course she has her own reasons to do it. Morrigan knows Flemeth best but she wants to kill her because she has read from the grimoire that Flemeth has only raised her so that she could take her body. I guess everybody thinks that grimoire is real in the game but I'm not sure about it. It's just a book and Flemeth could have written it just to confuse everybody and that could have fitted her character. I guess dark ritual is considered bad because that feeling I got from the game and the name implies that it isn't anything good. So by doing it you could end the blight and that would be a good thing or it might make things even worse. I guess everything is so vague so that almost anything can happen in the future.
Take Morrigan to the fade. She is the only one that knows she is in the fade because the fade spirit doesn't beat her enough. Flemeth is very old and knows how to communicate so that you will listen. Morrigan when you first meet her is really confused about your society. She has never had a friend. In the end she does value the one friend she has.
i like killing dragons, to quote isabella from da 2, "if we kill them we get their stuff." and i like stuff.... especially when its a dragon
Take Morrigan to the fade. She is the only one that knows she is in the fade because the fade spirit doesn't beat her enough. Flemeth is very old and knows how to communicate so that you will listen. Morrigan when you first meet her is really confused about your society. She has never had a friend. In the end she does value the one friend she has.
Morrigan is the only mage companion who realizes it's the Fade, and the only other person who realizes it's not the real world is Sten. I have to wonder what role she will play in Inquisition, especially if the Hero of Ferelden chose her over his role as Warden-Commander. She seems to have a plan ready for the change is about to hit Thedas.
Morrigan is the only mage companion who realizes it's the Fade, and the only other person who realizes it's not the real world is Sten. I have to wonder what role she will play in Inquisition, especially if the Hero of Ferelden chose her over his role as Warden-Commander. She seems to have a plan ready for the change is about to hit Thedas.
I'm really beginning to think Flemeth is on the side of "good" more or less, and Morrigan might not necessarily be aware of that.
which makes me laugh, cause wynne always said she had an affinity for the fade... goin senile ya old coot?
I'm really beginning to think Flemeth is on the side of "good" more or less, and Morrigan might not necessarily be aware of that.
I think it's possible neither Flemeth or Morrigan wear a black hat in the storyline of Inquisition, but I'd imagine their goals are in opposition to one another. Morrigan seemed more aware of Flemeth's nature in the Dragonbone Wastes than during the Fifth Blight, as well as her survival from death.
This is not the Bush admin is it?
We are talking about a child. You are making the assumption that the child will never be able to think for itself. It is like saying children with corrupt parents are all corrupt. There is a chance the child will not be what Morrigan wants. Just like Morrigan did not totally agree with her mother. If you ask Morrigan will the child be evil she states the archdemon is evil because of the taint. She doesn't always tell the turth but should we assume the child is evil without proof.
The Bush admin doesn't come to mind. How about the ACLU? It seems a better fit.
Exactly, a chance. A fool's gambit if I've ever seen one.
It's not only that the child will be very powerful, it's that this power is in the hands of someone who doesn't seem to possess a moral compass.
It is not an even split, the risk is not even remotely worth it.
Edit: Let me be clear. I wouldn't trust ANYONE with that ogb, least of all a wild card with antagonist leanings.
who uses compasses anymore?! if anything its a moral gps.... anyway, i still think morrigan, though a little socially misguided, wont allow that to happen... if anything we have a little 4 year old male version of morrigan running around lighting things on fire... its never bad when fires involved, fire good
i like killing dragons, to quote isabella from da 2, "if we kill them we get their stuff." and i like stuff.... especially when its a dragon
You should know that in "Those Who Speak" Isabela confesses that she drowned a ship load of elves because she thought she was going to get caught with the slaves. In Orlais slavers are hung so she drowned them to get away. She did feel guilty. Not everything Isabela did was worth it or didn't have a cost.
truly, i hated her cause she was annoying... as for killing dragons, im not looking at it morally... im looking at it like it was meant to be looked at, as an enemy in the game... i mean i can understand having moral objections when its killing off an entire village, but killing a dragon that would eat said village, yeah no problems there
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