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The Official Josephine Montilyet aka 'Scribbles' Thread - The Disney Princess of Dragon Age!


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Given that literally every Crow we've met has been a perfectly capable (and in Zevran's case, amazing) fighter, I doubt your assertion. Sure, they may prefer to kill quietly when possible, but when it's not, they have no problem with getting messy.

It's an RPG.



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With darker-skinned people being constantly derided in their own communities for being worth less than their lighter-skinned counterparts, some positive discrimination is not only necessary, it is wonderful to see.

 

 

There is no such thing as "positive discrimination" as it relates to skin tone.  If we seek to uplift society beyond such concepts we can not in turn use them to seek some arbitrary level of parity.


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From TV tropes:

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It's an RPG.

Which says nothing about the universe as separate from game mechanics.



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I don't think the Crows are bound by the constraints of polite Antivan society


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I disagree, basing your liking/disliking of a character on their skin tone alone is indeed rooted in racism and is at the very least discrimination. Regardless, I agree with you - I would have preferred they not misrepresent Sephi's actual appearance.
Although I object to the suggestion that people will be disappointed with her 'true colour' (Potentially implying that they'll be disappointed because she's darker-skinned than they initially anticipated).


I'm sure Sephi will look gorgeous in any and all colours :)


Oh I was talking about people liking her skin colour, not about liking or disliking her character because of her skin colour.
I mean, it's perfectly normal for someone to be attracted to darker skinned-people rather than those with a lighter skin colour. Thus, if people were to find Josephine attractive as she looks in the already released screenshots, but they wouldn't a Josie with a darker skin colour than that, that would mean they'd be disappointed by her 'true look'.

I do realize one can't touch upon this subject without the conversation quickly becoming about racism, so I'll drop it from here.
And yes, I'm sure she looks amazing regardless. Even with a green skin.

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Which is strange, because there are female Crows.

True, but then I don't think the normal Antivans hold themselves to what the Antivan underworld does. 


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True, but then I don't think the normal Antivans hold themselves to what the Antivan underworld does. 

If anything, the fact there are female crows would be proof that they are unsavory individuals. I mean, reaaaaaally, letting women out of the kitchen... :P



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If anything, the fact there are female crows would be proof that they are unsavory individuals. I mean, reaaaaaally, letting women out of the kitchen... :P

Actually in Antiva, women are viewed as pretty much goddesses so men don't want to bring them down to their level. :P



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Actually in Antiva, women are viewed as pretty much goddesses so men don't want to bring them down to their level. :P

That's what Zevran said, and considering he was trying to win a bet when he said it...



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Hanako Ikezawa

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That's what Zevran said, and considering he was trying to win a bet when he said it...

 

I love that dialogue. But the wiki does support it, and the source was Biowarde devs. I believe it was David Gaider. 



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I can imagine Morrigan quoting Claudia Auditore on this one: He should suffer for what he's done.

 

Anyway, back to Josie:

 

What kind of wine do you think she likes? Red? White? Sparkling? Rose? Dry? Sweet?

 

I can see her enjoying a mild red.



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Hanako Ikezawa

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I don't drink, so I have no idea. 



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TheLittleBird

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I don't like wine, therefore I never drink wine, therefore I have no clue as to what Josie would like :P

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I'd go with champagne.



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I'd go with champagne.

Prosecco might be closer to home. She has 'hometown pride' after all.

 

And tsk. So many lightweights here.  :P



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Just beer and vodka for me. Wine's for the sophisticated drinkers, which I am not.

That being said... I do know rosé because it's something my parents drink quite a lot. How about that for Josie?

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Just beer and vodka for me. Wine's for the sophisticated drinkers, which I am not.

That being said... I do know rosé because it's something my parents drink quite a lot. How about that for Josie?

Ha! Plenty of cheap coarse wines to find, never fear.

 

Sure, Rosé or white is something you would drink in hot weather. Antiva seems pretty warm, so yeah.



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Burgundy - a hard drink for a hard woman.

#5745
Hanako Ikezawa

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Hey look, Josie in real life

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Such a sad picture. You can see the emotions like terror in her eyes. 



#5746
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When you say "us white people" I'm not sure if you're assuming I'm part of that group or if you are speaking about the group in general.

 

To clarify, I'm not white myself (I was speaking more generally). I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "positive discrimination", could you elaborate for me?

Sorry I assumed, I tend to only try to educate people who are white (yknow, it's not really my place otherwise. PoC are living through this, I just try to make it so they don't have to spend all their time and energy educating people who are oppressing them.) - so if I step out of place here, feel free to tell me to shut up.
But anyway, if you follow the equation where [rac]ism = discrimination + societal power, it's still possible to discriminate against people based on what makes them different without the power of your society behind you. In order to counter -isms, you therefore implement programs that count as 'positive discrimination'. Examples of positive discrimination are for example scholarships targeted at poorer students or ethnicities, stuff designed to offset the negative effects of isms and negative discrimination.

So basically what I'm saying here is that defending Sephi against people who are whitewashing is a form of 'positive discrimination' that is protecting the reality of her identity against people who want to 'fix' her. ofc, it's rarely that simple (for example, with fetishising) but I'm reluctant to support people saying it's okay to change her appearance because of their own aesthetic choices - nothing is decided in a vacuum after all.

I mean I love so many characters, but because of the isms that I encounter in any fandom, I end up defending characters that get attacked due to isms because they require more attention to be treated with the same level of respect as other characters.

 

There is no such thing as "positive discrimination" as it relates to skin tone.  If we seek to uplift society beyond such concepts we can not in turn use them to seek some arbitrary level of parity.

I think what you're attempting to say here is 'we should see past colour'. Seeing past something that is intrinsic to your experience of living is reductive. Positive discrimination is an attempt to celebrate differences rather than erase them, and counter the negativity that already exists. We're not the same, and we shouldn't attempt to be. It's when differences are seen as negative and placed in power structures and hierarchies that we get issues.

 

I can imagine Morrigan quoting Claudia Auditore on this one: He should suffer for what he's done.

 

Anyway, back to Josie:

What kind of wine do you think she likes? Red? White? Sparkling? Rose? Dry? Sweet?

I can see her enjoying a mild red.

I originally thought about a sweet red. But due to the information about her enjoying living by the sea I imagine her drinking pinot grigio... Something dry and with a good bite.



#5747
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Burgundy - a hard drink for a hard woman.

There is a lot of variation on that particlar theme. Hard or soft, bold or sublte, it's got it all. It's perfect, come to think of it.



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I don't think sexism is the best counter to racism, but that's just me.

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Hanako Ikezawa

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Well, another VA was announced. You know what that means? Another round of guessing who will voice Josephine. 



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I don't think sexism is the best counter to racism, but that's just me.

Neither do I? Did I say something sexist?