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[Allan Schumacher]

I think it does bear fruit.

 

I'm specifically referring to why people in Thedas speak a particular way.

[Lucy Glitter]

Nations can have several different regional accents. The devs could get away with having an Italian accent be a regional thing in Antiva, with Spanish (which we've heard more often) be more widespread.

 
Kiiindddd of. You grow up learning to use your mouth to pronounce things a certain way. Which is an accent. Italian and Spanish people move their mouths completely differently way. 
 

How is her accent not technically correct?

 
Antivans speak their own language. Is there another language that they speak? Did she grow up speaking both Common and Antivan? She'd have a Spanish accent with a certain dialect. It is just going against the lore so far that we've heard and read. 
 
A dialect is a variant of an accent. An accent is the way you speak - by how your mouth has been trained to move. 
 

I think there is no logic when it comes to accents in DA, I never quite get why Rivaini people have English ones for example. Even in Spain you have totally different accents from different languages, not everyone speaks castellano. I would say that it would make a lot more sense to put Portuguese and Spanish languages together for their similarities and not Italian. I really think Rivaini would be better for Italian accents.
 
For one I am not that offended with the "latino" country but it sure makes zero sense and sometimes it sounds really bad in game lol

Hm I do think there is usually logic, which is why I am arguing this. They changed the Dalish accents because it made sense lore-wise - they're trying to learn the old language and such and it's was done to distinguish between the two and that's an artistic change that I can get behind. 

 

I just feel like Antiva is the exotic country so they're making Antiva have exotic accents and it doesn't matter where they're from. I'd like to know that this isn't the case. 

 

and yes I know, "ohhh don't question it too much you're making a big deal etc etc" I am only continuing discussion because of those comments lol.

 

Maybe people are thinking that this is a sleight against Josephine and Ms. Clark and it's not. In any way.

[Wolfen09]

well, the ferelden and orlesian accents are at least consistent.  As for antivan, they have been pretty consistent with their accent (tallisen excluded)...  and since rivain and antiva are separate countries, why can't their accents be different?  just because the only rivaini we know looks like shes from hispanic descent does mean that the country she is from has to have the accent.

[Kage]

 
Kiiindddd of. You grow up learning to use your mouth to pronounce things a certain way. Which is an accent. Italian and Spanish people move their mouths completely differently way. 
 

 
Antivans speak their own language. Is there another language that they speak? Did she grow up speaking both Common and Antivan? She'd have a Spanish accent with a certain dialect. It is just going against the lore so far that we've heard and read. 

 

Well, I think they just choose the accent that would be the most cute, or that would fit the character most.

Which is the cutest accent for you guys? I am spanish, so the spanish accent to me is just an abomination, like english spoken super-bad.

 

Imagine the face of Josie, (which is pretty damn cute, and mediterranean), and how would you imagine hearing her say cute and adorable things? Italian accent or spanish accent?

[Mihura]

 
Kiiindddd of. You grow up learning to use your mouth to pronounce things a certain way. Which is an accent. Italian and Spanish people move their mouths completely differently way. 
 

 
Antivans speak their own language. Is there another language that they speak? Did she grow up speaking both Common and Antivan? She'd have a Spanish accent with a certain dialect. It is just going against the lore so far that we've heard and read. 
 
A dialect is a variant of an accent. An accent is the way you speak - by how your mouth has been trained to move. 
 

Hm I do think there is usually logic, which is why I am arguing this. They changed the Dalish accents because it made sense lore-wise - they're trying to learn the old language and such and it's was done to distinguish between the two and that's an artistic change that I can get behind. 

 

I just feel like Antiva is the exotic country so they're making Antiva have exotic accents and it doesn't matter where they're from. I'd like to know that this isn't the case. 

 

and yes I know, "ohhh don't question it too much you're making a big deal etc etc" I am only continuing discussion because of those comments lol.

 

Maybe people are thinking that this is a sleight against Josephine and Ms. Clark and it's not. In any way.

 

I said there is no logic in a sense of the lore for example, your dalish elven PC is gonna to have other accent.

I get that there is a logic when you compare it to real life, that I agree. That is why Antiva is the south of Europe? or something. Actually Antiva should have Italian accents and Rivaini, Spanish and Portuguese, since it is suppose to be a Moors analogy with the Qunari.

I think the main problem is that when you have countries like Ferelden with different English dialects is not the same as different accents from completely different languages, like Italian, Spanish, Portuguese...etc. That irks me a little.
They could had put Antiva with castellano from America too, that way it would be the same as English in Ferelden. 

 

Ah well, unless they change their lore about all the Antiva people having Italian accents, I just go with the "latino" country theory. 

[Maria Caliban]

Antivans speak their own language. Is there another language that they speak?

Isn't it possible that several different languages are spoken in Antiva?

I mean, if I met someone from Canada whose accent was heavily French, I wouldn't consider that incorrect, even though I know most Canadians are native English speakers.

India has 21 different languages from two different language families. The idea that Antiva has two from the same family doesn't strike me as odd.

[Das Tentakel]

Isn't it possible that several different languages are spoken in Antiva?

I mean, if I meant someone from Canada whose accent was heavily French, I wouldn't consider that incorrect, even though I know most Canadians are native English speakers.

India has 21 different languages from two different language families. The idea that Antiva has two from the same family doesn't strike me as odd.

 

Anything is possible and everything can be explained away.

But if it's a case of 'plausibility by analogy', Italian and Castilian have evolved separately for 2,200 years separated by some 1,000 kilometers of sea and land, ever since Scipio Africanus began Italo-Roman colonisation in Spain by settling Roman veterans at Italica (near modern Seville) in 206 BC.

Antiva, on the other hand...we don't know its size, but it may very well be about the size of Corsica. Even if it's larger than that, you would still have to explain a very large degree of linguistic differentation within a single nation. 

One could whip out the good old 'migration from another area' idea as a quick & ready solution, of course. After all, in 'the real world', there is actually a Catalan linguistic exclave in Sardinia, the city of Alghero, result of a settlement in the 14th century. However, using 'migrations from far away' to explain away retcons and mistakes afterwards can get really old.

 

Let's see...Spanish...Italian...gangsters...pirates...poison...where's the Italo-Spanish anti-defamation League when you need them? 

[Gannayev of Dreams]

Anything is possible and everything can be explained away.

But if it's a case of 'plausibility by analogy', Italian and Castilian have evolved separately for 2,200 years separated by some 1,000 kilometers of sea and land, ever since Scipio Africanus began Italo-Roman colonisation in Spain by settling Roman veterans at Italica (near modern Seville) in 206 BC.

Antiva, on the other hand...we don't know its size, but it may very well be about the size of Corsica. Even if it's larger than that, you would still have to explain a very large degree of linguistic differentation within a single nation. 

One could whip out the good old 'migration from another area' idea as a quick & ready solution, of course. After all, in 'the real world', there is actually a Catalan linguistic exclave in Sardinia, the city of Alghero, result of a settlement in the 14th century. However, using 'migrations from far away' to explain away retcons and mistakes afterwards can get really old.

 

Let's see...Spanish...Italian...gangsters...pirates...poison...where's the Italo-Spanish anti-defamation League when you need them? 

 

Do you have a professional background that utilizes this sort of knowledge or is it a hobby?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

We know so little about Antivan history, I can see many reasons why there is more than one accent. 

[KC_Prototype]

 
Kiiindddd of. You grow up learning to use your mouth to pronounce things a certain way. Which is an accent. Italian and Spanish people move their mouths completely differently way. 
 

 
Antivans speak their own language. Is there another language that they speak? Did she grow up speaking both Common and Antivan? She'd have a Spanish accent with a certain dialect. It is just going against the lore so far that we've heard and read. 
 
A dialect is a variant of an accent. An accent is the way you speak - by how your mouth has been trained to move. 
 

Hm I do think there is usually logic, which is why I am arguing this. They changed the Dalish accents because it made sense lore-wise - they're trying to learn the old language and such and it's was done to distinguish between the two and that's an artistic change that I can get behind. 

 

I just feel like Antiva is the exotic country so they're making Antiva have exotic accents and it doesn't matter where they're from. I'd like to know that this isn't the case. 

 

and yes I know, "ohhh don't question it too much you're making a big deal etc etc" I am only continuing discussion because of those comments lol.

 

Maybe people are thinking that this is a sleight against Josephine and Ms. Clark and it's not. In any way.

Antiva is loosely based of of Italy so her having an Italian accent isn't against lore.

[KC_Prototype]

well, the ferelden and orlesian accents are at least consistent.  As for antivan, they have been pretty consistent with their accent (tallisen excluded)...  and since rivain and antiva are separate countries, why can't their accents be different?  just because the only rivaini we know looks like shes from hispanic descent does mean that the country she is from has to have the accent.

Riviain are black or at least the two biggest ones we meet are black, Duncan and Isabella. And Vivienne has Rivaini blood. 

[TheLittleBird]

When the devs say someone from Antiva having an Italian-sounding accent is correct, then it's not going against the lore.

That is all.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

When the devs say someone from Antiva having an Italian-sounding accent is correct, then it's not going against the lore.

That is all.

Pretty much. 

[The Elder King]

Anything is possible and everything can be explained away.
But if it's a case of 'plausibility by analogy', Italian and Castilian have evolved separately for 2,200 years separated by some 1,000 kilometers of sea and land, ever since Scipio Africanus began Italo-Roman colonisation in Spain by settling Roman veterans at Italica (near modern Seville) in 206 BC.
Antiva, on the other hand...we don't know its size, but it may very well be about the size of Corsica. Even if it's larger than that, you would still have to explain a very large degree of linguistic differentation within a single nation. 
One could whip out the good old 'migration from another area' idea as a quick & ready solution, of course. After all, in 'the real world', there is actually a Catalan linguistic exclave in Sardinia, the city of Alghero, result of a settlement in the 14th century. However, using 'migrations from far away' to explain away retcons and mistakes afterwards can get really old.
 
Let's see...Spanish...Italian...gangsters...pirates...poison...where's the Italo-Spanish anti-defamation League when you need them? 

In reference on the last phrase, the fact that they first named the nation 'Calabria' made me laugh when I read it.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

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[HuldraDancer]

 

http://afragmentcast...thing-i-saw-out

Adorable!

 

[Mihura]

The problem is not having Antiva as a country with more than one language that is fine, countries with close borders can have similar languages and customs but Rivaini language is nothing like Antiva so it seems, since they speak Ferelden base languages aka English and somehow the same can be said about Tevinter.

The problem is that Antiva seems to be the only one with this kinda of thing, even with Rivaini in one side and Tevinter on other and the Free Marches close by, so the migrations theory holds no water nor even a conquer one.

Antiva sounds like a country with "south European accents since they sound all latino" so it must be all the same.

[Basement Cat]

 

http://afragmentcast...thing-i-saw-out

Birds of a feather... I wonder how those two would react to one of these:

[Maria Caliban]

We have no idea if Josephine likes small, furry things.

[Basement Cat]

We have no idea if Josephine likes small, furry things.

We have no idea of what Josephine likes, really. Except poofy sleeves.

[Lukas Trevelyan]

 

http://afragmentcast...thing-i-saw-out

God this is genius.

[Maria Caliban]

We have no idea of what Josephine likes, really. Except poofy sleeves.

She may secretly hate poofy sleeves, but wear them because it's expected of her.

[AresKeith]

We have no idea if Josephine likes small, furry things.

We know her VA likes ducks though

[Joe25]

 

http://afragmentcast...thing-i-saw-out

But I wanted him to be it. 

[Cat Fancy]

Anything is possible and everything can be explained away.

But if it's a case of 'plausibility by analogy', Italian and Castilian have evolved separately for 2,200 years separated by some 1,000 kilometers of sea and land, ever since Scipio Africanus began Italo-Roman colonisation in Spain by settling Roman veterans at Italica (near modern Seville) in 206 BC.

Antiva, on the other hand...we don't know its size, but it may very well be about the size of Corsica. Even if it's larger than that, you would still have to explain a very large degree of linguistic differentation within a single nation. 

One could whip out the good old 'migration from another area' idea as a quick & ready solution, of course. After all, in 'the real world', there is actually a Catalan linguistic exclave in Sardinia, the city of Alghero, result of a settlement in the 14th century. However, using 'migrations from far away' to explain away retcons and mistakes afterwards can get really old.

 

Let's see...Spanish...Italian...gangsters...pirates...poison...where's the Italo-Spanish anti-defamation League when you need them? 

Do we have any reason to believe Antiva's the size of Corsica? I also don't think you need much of an explanation to explain a very large degree of linguistic differentiation within a single nation, either, especially if it's an analogue for a European nation. Spain's got Castilian, Catalan, Galician, and Basque (which isn't related to it). France has several languages, including Occitan, which is more closely related to Catalan. Same with Italy.

 

Look at this:

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Whoa. I just fully blew my own mind. Differing Antivan accents are plausible as hell.

 

And even if they're not, it's not like Antiva's the first nation they've been inconsistent about. Tevinters have varying accents, haven't they? If Antivans are nothing but "vaguely Mediterranean," well, that's just the way of things. One game, you speak with an American accent. The next, Welsh. Way's it's always been, way it's always gonna be~~

 

The problem is not having Antiva as a country with more than one language that is fine, countries with close borders can have similar languages and customs but Rivaini language is nothing like Antiva so it seems, since they speak Ferelden base languages aka English and somehow the same can be said about Tevinter.

The problem is that Antiva seems to be the only one with this kinda of thing, even with Rivaini in one side and Tevinter on other and the Free Marches close by, so the migrations theory holds no water nor even a conquer one.
 

 

 

I don't think this is unrealistic at all, either. Romanian is cut off from other Romance languages by Slavic languages and Hungarian. Indo-European languages are split by Turkic languages (among others). It happens.