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[Jewlie Ghoulie]

Damnit, Now Josephine I'm in the count of "Josephine is my first romance" because of that contrast between Younger Sibling Trevelyan to older Sibling Montilyet

 

Why you did dis Cat?

 

Why?

[Basement Cat]

Damnit, Now Josephine I'm in the count of "Josephine is my first romance" because of that contrast between Younger Sibling Trevelyan to older Sibling Montilyet

 

Why you did dis Cat?

 

Why?

Because I'm evil. It's what I do. I tempt people to the dark side.  (Josephine is a dark skinned brunette while Sera is a pale skinned blonde. So yeah, it counts.) 

 

I can't believe I'm the only one who made this connection. I felt Cousland was a bit bland what with being the stereotypical 'noble noble', but Trevelyan offers some real potential with the family being ardent Andrastians. Are they genuine believers or are they just posing to make themselves look good? As the youngest sibling, do I feel proud to pursue the family ideals in joining the Chantry or do I feel like I'm being tossed aside because there's nothing else to be done with me?

 

I get the feeling the Trevelyan Inquisitor was sent to the peace conference in part because they were supposed to formally join the Chantry  there. In what capacity is a mystery. Were we to become a brother/sister? A Templar? A Seeker? If the last one is possible it would make all sorts of interesting conversations with Cassandra...

 

Yes, I do use my brain for other stuff than dirty jokes once in a while. Don't look so surprised.

 

And I can't wait for this gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame!!

[SardaukarElite]

Just when I was starting to think I had my first playthrough all worked out, I start reading this.

 

Yes, I do use my brain for other stuff than dirty jokes once in a while. Don't look so surprised.

 

Sure, we believe you.

[Tishina]

I don't think any of the other backgrounds include siblings...

They don't mention them, but that doesn't mean they don't have siblings. It may be more significant for the human PC since there may be other Trevelyans at the peace conference. Since the other three races have a less direct connection to the peace conference (either spy or mercenary), the devs may be leaving family more open to personal headcannons for them or maybe mentioning them would be spoilery?

 

As far as our advisors and companions, we know about Leliana and Varrick's family backgrounds from previous games (and possibly Cassandra?), but I think Josephine is the only one they've specifically mentioned. Possibly because oldest may mean heir, which could complicate the h**l out of some relationships with her?

[Basement Cat]

1. Just when I was starting to think I had my first playthrough all worked out, I start reading this.

 

 

2. Sure, we believe you.

1. As a native of Ostwick I feel it is my duty to push back the Qunari invasion. Especially when they are moving on Antiva.  

 

2. 

[Basement Cat]

They don't mention them, but that doesn't mean they don't have siblings. It may be more significant for the human PC since there may be other Trevelyans at the peace conference. Since the other three races have a less direct connection to the peace conference (either spy or mercenary), the devs may be leaving family more open to personal headcannons for them or maybe mentioning them would be spoilery?

 

As far as our advisors and companions, we know about Leliana and Varrick's family backgrounds from previous games (and possibly Cassandra?), but I think Josephine is the only one they've specifically mentioned. Possibly because oldest may mean heir, which could complicate the h**l out of some relationships with her?

That depends. Can women inherit positions of power in Antiva? Or does she have a brother who is the actual heir? Also, if she is such a good diplomat she must be a valuable asset to her family. How are they going to feel about her up and leaving to join the Inquisition? And even if they are ok with it, what about rival families? They won't like the Montilyets getting a powerful ally like the Inquisition (when we do get powerful, that is).

 

In any case, I'm pretty sure we'll be seeing some Crows.

[Potato Cat]

That depends. Can women inherit positions of power in Antiva? Or does she have a brother who is the actual heir? Also, if she is such a good diplomat she must be a valuable asset to her family. How are they going to feel about her up and leaving to join the Inquisition? And even if they are ok with it, what about rival families? They won't like the Montilyets getting a powerful ally like the Inquisition (when we do get powerful, that is).
 
In any case, I'm pretty sure we'll be seeing some Crows.

Well I'm assuming by what I remember of Zevran's comments of Antivan women that Antiva will largely have male-only/male-preferred inheritance. Which I think is much more interesting story wise for Josephine. Is she frustrated by this custom? Has she accepted it? Can we push her to want to change it? How much pressure is she under to marry well? There's so many questions I have about Antiva, the Montilyets and Josephine. Josie certainly may be my least favourite advisor, (don't worry, it's only by default), but she's certainly the advisor I'm most interested in getting to know. Also, I bet she gives the best hugs of all the Inquisition.

[Basement Cat]

Well I'm assuming by what I remember of Zevran's comments of Antivan women that Antiva will largely have male-only/male-preferred inheritance. Which I think is much more interesting story wise for Josephine. Is she frustrated by this custom? Has she accepted it? Can we push her to want to change it? How much pressure is she under to marry well? There's so many questions I have about Antiva, the Montilyets and Josephine. Josie certainly may be my least favourite advisor, (don't worry, it's only by default), but she's certainly the advisor I'm most interested in getting to know. Also, I bet she gives the best hugs of all the Inquisition.

That does raise interesting questions. Did she become a diplomat because she wanted to be more than a pretty bauble to be auctioned off to the highest bidder? Maybe her reasons for joining the Inquisition are not purely altruistic. Maybe she wants to be a part of something great and have a chance to make a difference in the world. Maybe she does find it incredibly annoying, to quote Morrigan, to be showered with praise about her appearance.

 

So many questions and not a single answer. Bummer.

 

And don't worry, when your competition is Cullen and Leliana, there's no shame in being last. (Cullen is my least favorite but that's because he's not a gorgeous knockout of a lady )

 

And I'm out of likes! Double bummer!

[SardaukarElite]

Since the other three races have a less direct connection to the peace conference (either spy or mercenary), the devs may be leaving family more open to personal headcannons for them or maybe mentioning them would be spoilery?

 

I think it's just that their family circumstances don't tie in to them being present for the Breach's opening night. With the exception of circle mages family has been a pretty strong theme for DA protagonists, at least as far as RPGs go.

 

 

*sarcasm detector explodes*

 

Not again.

[Potato Cat]

That does raise interesting questions. Did she become a diplomat because she wanted to be more than a pretty bauble to be auctioned off to the highest bidder? Maybe her reasons for joining the Inquisition are not purely altruistic. Maybe she wants to be a part of something great and have a chance to make a difference in the world. Maybe she does find it incredibly annoying, to quote Morrigan, to be showered with praise about her appearance.
 
So many questions and not a single answer. Bummer.
 
And don't worry, when your competition is Cullen and Leliana, there's no shame in being last. (Cullen is my least favorite but that's because he's not a gorgeous knockout of a lady )
 
And I'm out of likes! Double bummer!

Yeah I think all the advisors are really hot so I'm half pleased because eye candy and half annoyed because it'll make listening all that harder and I'll have to up my game in the CC to get my Inquisitors looking good enough to not look like they came out of an egg in comparison.

But I have so many questions for Josephine, and I bet only a fifth of them will get answered! And I bet all my theories will wrong too. Right now I think she'd going to off in her satin tights, (verbally) fighting for her rights and she'll probably be just 'Nah my family's great, they're really supportive and I'm getting all the things in the will'.

[AresKeith]

Damnit, Now Josephine I'm in the count of "Josephine is my first romance" because of that contrast between Younger Sibling Trevelyan to older Sibling Montilyet

 

Why you did dis Cat?

 

Why?

 

My Rogue is gonna be the same age as her

[Basement Cat]

Yeah I think all the advisors are really hot so I'm half pleased because eye candy and half annoyed because it'll make listening all that harder and I'll have to up my game in the CC to get my Inquisitors looking good enough to not look like they came out of an egg in comparison.

But I have so many questions for Josephine, and I bet only a fifth of them will get answered! And I bet all my theories will wrong too. Right now I think she'd going to off in her satin tights, (verbally) fighting for her rights and she'll probably be just 'Nah my family's great, they're really supportive and I'm getting all the things in the will'.

I would find that pretty disappointing to be honest.  There's no drama like family drama.

[Mihura]

Well I'm assuming by what I remember of Zevran's comments of Antivan women that Antiva will largely have male-only/male-preferred inheritance. Which I think is much more interesting story wise for Josephine. Is she frustrated by this custom? Has she accepted it? Can we push her to want to change it? How much pressure is she under to marry well? There's so many questions I have about Antiva, the Montilyets and Josephine. Josie certainly may be my least favourite advisor, (don't worry, it's only by default), but she's certainly the advisor I'm most interested in getting to know. Also, I bet she gives the best hugs of all the Inquisition.

 

I really hope this is not the case, preferred male inheritance is not the same as exclusive. Isabel I the Catholic was the Queen of Castile and León so I hope they do not fall in the cliche that somehow women cannot inherit titles and lands, on south European cultures. Sure Romans suck in that regard but part of Spain and Portugal had Celtic cultures and not Roman. I think the Crows are enough cliches from "latin" cultures. 

[Basement Cat]

I really hope this is not the case, preferred male inheritance is not the same as exclusive. Isabel I the Catholic was the Queen of Castile and León so I hope they do not fall in the cliche that somehow women cannot inherit titles and lands, on south European cultures. Sure Romans suck in that regard but part of Spain and Portugal had Celtic cultures and not Roman. I think the Crows are enough cliches from "latin" cultures. 

How are the Crows a cliche of latin cultures? They're more of an RPG cliche, being an assassins guild and all.

 

Anyway, women might not be able to wield power overtly but there is nothing preventing them from being subtle about it. The Wiki mentions Queen Asha Campana the 'Queen Mother of Thedas'. She married the king and married off her kids and grandkids into other great families to extend her network of influence. So, officially she had no power, but the reality was another matter. There's plenty of precedent for that in real life too.

[Tishina]

That depends. Can women inherit positions of power in Antiva? Or does she have a brother who is the actual heir? Also, if she is such a good diplomat she must be a valuable asset to her family. How are they going to feel about her up and leaving to join the Inquisition? And even if they are ok with it, what about rival families? They won't like the Montilyets getting a powerful ally like the Inquisition (when we do get powerful, that is).

 

In any case, I'm pretty sure we'll be seeing some Crows.

I don't remember anything that implied male preferred succession in Antiva, though I could have missed something, but I phrased it as "may" be heir because it's possible that is the case. I was actually thinking in terms of her family wanting to arrange an appropriate marriage (and how they'd feel about a non-noble/human romance in that case). One of the things I liked about DAO was women's status in Fereldan. I'll be a little disappointed to discover that they're the exception in Thedas since it'll mean choosing to play a woman from any other country in DAI or future games would mean automatically accepting a major disadvantage even among your own race.

 

I think someone said Zevran could be mentioned (though not appearing)? And yes, it's hard to imagine a diplomat from Antiva without Crows appearing one way or another.

[Parkimus]

And I can't wait for this gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame!!

 

Is it November Montilyet? 

[Potato Cat]

There was a Queen Madrigal apparently. Who appears to have been an actual Queen, rather than just the wife of a King. And the wiki's Antivan timeline speaks of a 'Three-Queens' era, implying women can still inherit and nothing has changed. But this for royalty and we don't know much about the Montilyet family. If one of the Merchant Princes is a Montilyet, perhaps the 'prince' aspect suggests this is strictly a male only title?

[Basement Cat]

I don't remember anything that implied male preferred succession in Antiva, though I could have missed something, but I phrased it as "may" be heir because it's possible that is the case. I was actually thinking in terms of her family wanting to arrange an appropriate marriage (and how they'd feel about a non-noble/human romance in that case). One of the things I liked about DAO was women's status in Fereldan. I'll be a little disappointed to discover that they're the exception in Thedas since it'll mean choosing to play a woman from any other country in DAI or future games would mean automatically accepting a major disadvantage even among your own race.

 

I think someone said Zevran could be mentioned (though not appearing)? And yes, it's hard to imagine a diplomat from Antiva without Crows appearing one way or another.

Me neither. I was just speculating away. I don't think Ferelden is an exception considering that Orlais has an Empress, Nevarra born Cassandra became a warrior, the Free Marches had Knight-Commander Meredith and Hawke could become Viscount either as a man or woman, etc.

 

If anything, Antiva might be the exception here. So many unknowns. Josephine will hopefully be able to provide much needed insight on Antivan culture. Zevran's perspective was a little limited.

[The Elder King]

Does someone wonder if Josephine and Leliana might share a banter about Zevran? After all, I think the Warden's companions might be famous in Thedas, based on what Hawke can say after meeting Leliana.

[Basement Cat]

There was a Queen Madrigal apparently. Who appears to have been an actual Queen, rather than just the wife of a King. And the wiki's Antivan timeline speaks of a 'Three-Queens' era, implying women can still inherit and nothing has changed. But this for royalty and we don't know much about the Montilyet family. If one of the Merchant Princes is a Montilyet, perhaps the 'prince' aspect suggests this is strictly a male only title?

Or the title could just be a hold over from when it was first used. Maybe they keep it as 'prince' regardless of gender or maybe they say 'princess' if a woman is in charge. It's hard to tell at this point. 

 

Supposing Josephine is in line to inherit the title, does she actually want it? Maybe she'd rather be the 'power behind the throne' as it were. Let someone else have the big target painted on them while she lives the good life.

[Tishina]

There was a Queen Madrigal apparently. Who appears to have been an actual Queen, rather than just the wife of a King. And the wiki's Antivan timeline speaks of a 'Three-Queens' era, implying women can still inherit and nothing has changed. But this for royalty and we don't know much about the Montilyet family. If one of the Merchant Princes is a Montilyet, perhaps the 'prince' aspect suggests this is strictly a male only title?

Titles tend to default to the male title when generalizing instead of talking about a specific person, so I'm not sure. Merchant Princes to me suggests something closer to 19th century "princes" of industry (i.e. non-titled, but extremely wealthy and powerful from trade). I don't get the impression that the official crown and nobility in Antiva are all that powerful.

[Mihura]

Me neither. I was just speculating away. I don't think Ferelden is an exception considering that Orlais has an Empress, Nevarra born Cassandra became a warrior, the Free Marches had Knight-Commander Meredith and Hawke could become Viscount either as a man or woman, etc.

 

If anything, Antiva might be the exception here. So many unknowns. Josephine will hopefully be able to provide much needed insight on Antivan culture. Zevran's perspective was a little limited.

 

I really hope Antiva is not the exception. Like I said maybe there is a preference for a male heirs but this should not be a rule.

[Basement Cat]

Does someone wonder if Josephine and Leliana might share a banter about Zevran? After all, I think the Warden's companions might be famous in Thedas, based on what Hawke can say after meeting Leliana.

I'm guessing it will depend on whether Leliana even met him. My Tabris cut his throat without bothering to wake him up.   I like to play characters with a short fuse...

[The Elder King]

I'm guessing it will depend on whether Leliana even met him. My Tabris cut his throat without bothering to wake him up.   I like to play characters with a short fuse...

Yeah, I meant in the case he's alive and recruited.
I admit I'm eager to see Leliana's meeting with Alistair and Morrigan, as Varric with Hawke.

[Basement Cat]

Yeah, I meant in the case he's alive and recruited.
I admit I'm eager to see Leliana's meeting with Alistair and Morrigan, as Varric with Hawke.

To add to that, I'm curious about Cassandra meeting Hawke. With Varric teasing her about it.

 

The only reason I ever kept Zevran alive was to have someone show off that second set of drake scale armor.