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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Out of curiosity: do you not pursue romantic relationships in real life, either?

Because, it seems to me, it's entirely plausible for any person with whom one falls in love to have been perfectly happy with somebody else under other circumstances. "In another time, in another place", and all that. On this logic, any person one "romances" might therefore be "deprived" of some sort of alternative relationship. Therefore, no attraction should be pursued at all.

I...guess somebody could go through life that way. I think that such a person would be extraordinarily unhappy and emotionally unhealthy for no point or purpose, but I suppose it's possible.

I have never been in a relationship, no. Due to a combination of factors, some of which I'd rather not go into if that's okay. 

[Pommelhorse]

You don't have to explain yourself to anyone. Especially random strangers online.

[Aimi]

I have never been in a relationship, no. Due to a combination of factors, some of which I'd rather not go into if that's okay.

You don't have to talk about it if you don't want to, of course: not to me, or anyone else.

I'm just not sure what you expect from the game under these particular circumstances. If I read this correctly, you will be unhappy unless:

1. There is an option for you to play as a PC of a gender and orientation you feel comfortable roleplaying.
2. For this PC's gender and orientation, there is an option to engage in a romance plot with an NPC of a gender and orientation and appearance and personality to which you feel attracted.
3. This NPC cannot have been in a prior romantic relationship with someone who is not the PC.
4. This NPC cannot have the theoretical possibility of being in a romantic relationship with someone who is not the PC.

I...well. That's quite the laundry list. I know that simply telling someone not to be unhappy isn't helpful, but I have to admit, I think that your expectations are a little...unreasonable.

[krogan warlord83]

I have never been in a relationship, no. Due to a combination of factors, some of which I'd rather not go into if that's okay. 

 

im 31 and are the same as you your not alone.

[dewayne31]

im 31 and are the same as you your not alone.

im 36 and just like you guys.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You don't have to talk about it if you don't want to, of course: not to me, or anyone else.

I'm just not sure what you expect from the game under these particular circumstances. If I read this correctly, you will be unhappy unless:

1. There is an option for you to play as a PC of a gender and orientation you feel comfortable roleplaying.
2. For this PC's gender and orientation, there is an option to engage in a romance plot with an NPC of a gender and orientation and appearance and personality to which you feel attracted.
3. This NPC cannot have been in a prior romantic relationship with someone who is not the PC.
4. This NPC cannot have the theoretical possibility of being in a romantic relationship with someone who is not the PC.

I...well. That's quite the laundry list. I know that simply telling someone not to be unhappy isn't helpful, but I have to admit, I think that your expectations are a little...unreasonable.

1. I have no problem playing different genders or orientations. 

2. My main characters go romanceless since they are self inserts and thus I can't romance anyone because the game supports a different lifestyle than mine. 

3. I've romanced love interests who have been with other people. Leliana and Garrus are a couple of my favorite Lis, and they have both been with people before. 

4. This is true. 

[Wanderlust14]

1. I have no problem playing different genders or orientations. 

2. My main characters go romanceless since they are self inserts and thus I can't romance anyone because the game supports a different lifestyle than mine. 

3. I've romanced love interests who have been with other people. Leliana and Garrus are a couple of my favorite Lis, and they have both been with people before. 

 

You must forgive me for prying and if you don't wish to answer, please don't, but may I ask what is your lifestyle (since this does seem to bother you since I am seeing this discussion on a couple threads I follow)? You can't romance anyone because the game supports a different lifestyle than yours, but you romanced Garrus and Leliana in the past? Garrus was a straight female romance and Leliana was a bisexual romance and both of these options are covered in DAI. DAI has, as far as I could tell, the most representation in Bioware games so far and while I know they are still missing the asexual romance, poly amorous, etc. but they do seem to be doing a pretty good job for having limited amount of room in a feature that really isn't the main focus of the game. 

 

Edit: I am not trying to take away from your feelings, just understand the problem of you feeling non-represented and had your representation taken away by the head writer. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You must forgive me for prying and if you don't wish to answer, please don't, but may I ask what is your lifestyle (since this does seem to bother you since I am seeing this discussion on a couple threads I follow)? You can't romance anyone because the game supports a different lifestyle than yours, but you romanced Garrus and Leliana in the past? Garrus was a straight female romance and Leliana was a bisexual romance and both of these options are covered in DAI. DAI has, as far as I could tell, the most representation in Bioware games so far and while I know they are still missing the asexual romance, poly amorous, etc. but they do seem to be doing a pretty good job for having limited amount of room in a feature that really isn't the main focus of the game. 

I've romanced every LI at least once to see the story. 

And I said my self inserts don't romance anyone because the game supports a different lifestyle than mine, particularly 'no sex until marriage' whereas Bioware games pretty much have pre-marital sex as a requirement for nearly every romance to proceed. So to experience the romance content, I make characters who aren't like me in mindset in that department. 

[Razored1313]

*people talking about follower relationships getting in the way of PC romance in any capacity*

Be like me: make it an OT3.



(I'M NOT CONFIRMING ANYTHING W/R/T TO JOSIE JUST THINK OF THE POSSIBILITIES INSTEAD OF HAWKE/FENRIS AND HAWKE/ISABELA WHY NOT JUST HAVE HAWKE/FENRIS/ISABELA WHY NOT ZOIDBERG)

For the record I would romance the **** out of zoidberg

Also, I hope that un romanced leliana and josephine do hook up, just because I'm not with them doesn't mean I want them to be forever alone, and I'd like to see where that relationship goes. I remember in SWTOR's bounty hunter storyline if you didn't hook up with mako or torian they hooked up, but broke it off before endgame for reasons. Kinda curious to see if their hypothetical relationship would survive.

[Captain Allegra]

I respect that you can do this and I have absolutely zero desire to do it myself.

 

That's fair! Not everyone is attracted to polyamorous relationships. I'm monogamous myself, but see no reason why any one of my PCs couldn't be poly.

 

4. This is true. 

 

Out of curiosity, is it out of respect for a potential relationship that could be that you feel uncomfortable romancing characters who could have non-PC romances, or do you have to actively ship them? I definitely feel like the idea of breaking up an OTP would be a bummer, but do you value others' relationships above your own? Especially in a digital space, I don't think it's "unfair" for you to pursue a relationship with one half of one of those side-relationships, especially because you'd be metagaming to do so, thus not really unlocking the character's romance path for the PC in the first place? IDK.

[Captain Allegra]

For the record I would romance the **** out of zoidberg

 

I like you.

[Wanderlust14]

I've romanced every LI at least once to see the story. 

And I said my self inserts don't romance anyone because the game supports a different lifestyle than mine, particularly 'no sex until marriage' whereas Bioware games pretty much have pre-marital sex as a requirement for nearly every romance to proceed. So to experience the romance content, I make characters who aren't like me in mindset in that department. 

Alright, that is fair enough (especially since you could opt out of sex in the first Mass Effect), I am sorry about that. 

 

Anyway, we have gotten way off topic in this thread. How about that Josephine?

[SmilesJA]

*people talking about follower relationships getting in the way of PC romance in any capacity*

 

Be like me: make it an OT3.

 

 

(I'M NOT CONFIRMING ANYTHING W/R/T TO JOSIE JUST THINK OF THE POSSIBILITIES INSTEAD OF HAWKE/FENRIS AND HAWKE/ISABELA WHY NOT JUST HAVE HAWKE/FENRIS/ISABELA WHY NOT ZOIDBERG)

I agree if it's just PC/follower, it gets boring. I would love it if the characters romanced each other, it would feel more real.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Out of curiosity, is it out of respect for a potential relationship that could be that you feel uncomfortable romancing characters who could have non-PC romances, or do you have to actively ship them? I definitely feel like the idea of breaking up an OTP would be a bummer, but do you value others' relationships above your own? Especially in a digital space, I don't think it's "unfair" for you to pursue a relationship with one half of one of those side-relationships, especially because you'd be metagaming to do so, thus not really unlocking the character's romance path for the PC in the first place? IDK.

It is out of respect for the potential relationship, yes. To use the Garrus/Tali example, they make a cute couple. So now whenever I try to romance either of them, it feels like I'm breaking them up even though they aren't together yet leading to me being unable to do it, or at least with merely a fraction of the joy the romance arcs gave me before. 

 

So if say Josephine/Leliana had the same thing happen, I would feel like the Warden and Inquisitor are breaking that up so wouldn't be able to enjoy the romances nearly as much if at all. 

 

It gets to the point where I find it more enjoyable to see the characters get together than one of them get together with my character, so I let that happen instead even if it is at the cost of my favorite romance arc/arcs. 

 

 

Alright, that is fair enough (especially since you could opt out of sex in the first Mass Effect), I am sorry about that. 

 

Anyway, we have gotten way off topic in this thread. How about that Josephine?

At least DAI offers the ability to not have sex scenes yet continue the romance for some LIs. 

 

Agreed. Here's some fanart to get us back on track. 

 

How not to flirt - lessons my Inquisitor-to-be will never quite master.

(And Josephine’s ire is less at the flirtation itself, but at how horrible and unoriginal it happens to be.)

http://afragmentcast...nquisitor-to-be

[AresKeith]

 

How not to flirt - lessons my Inquisitor-to-be will never quite master.

(And Josephine’s ire is less at the flirtation itself, but at how horrible and unoriginal it happens to be.)

http://afragmentcast...nquisitor-to-be

 

Guess I shouldn't make my Human Rogue Ezio-ish lol

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Guess I shouldn't make my Human Rogue Ezio-ish lol

 

I rather insist that you do!

[AresKeith]

I rather insist that you do!

 

Oh I still am lol. My Human Rogue that's gonna romance Josie is gonna be Ezio-ish with a bit more sarcasm and I'm also gonna try to make look somewhat like this but more tan:

 

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

*peeks around* I haven't been in here for a while! I just have a quick question; is Varrics nickname for Josie Ruffles? 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

*peeks around* I haven't been in here for a while! I just have a quick question; is Varrics nickname for Josie Ruffles? 

So it seems.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

So it seems.

 

Naww, I was totally rooting for it to be Scribbles. Even when they confirmed that it wouldn't be Scribbles I was still holding out hope that they might be being sneaky.

[In Exile]

*peeks around* I haven't been in here for a while! I just have a quick question; is Varrics nickname for Josie Ruffles? 

 

It just sounds wrong now. It's also not as good as Scribbles, IMO. 

 

Though Bioware can fix this by making Varric's nickname for us be Sparkles. 

[Zakhar]

Oh I still am lol. My Human Rogue that's gonna romance Josie is gonna be Ezio-ish with a bit more sarcasm and I'm also gonna try to make look somewhat like this but more tan:

 

This image I found is who I'm basing my Human Inquisitor off of:



I'd post the Source but honestly, I don't know where it came from and it might be someone else's Inquisitor but I like the look.

Not sure if he'll be a Mage or a Rogue tho.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

It does sound wrong. Scribble fits her a lot better. When I hear Ruffles I think of her clothing which is more puffy than anything else (the sleeves). Lol, Sparkles would be fantastic.

 

I'm not sure if this is spoiler-y or not but in the twitch stream today...

 

Spoiler

 

I love how Lili called her Josie and I'm kind of hoping that once the Quizzy's relationship develops with her that they will call her Josie too.

 

[HK-90210]

As far as Leli/Josie goes, my only issue has less to do with Josephine, and more to do with Leliana. If Leliana is willing to be with Josephine, why can't she be with the Inquisitor? To me, it would be kind of a 'wtf' moment. If the devs decided to go this direction, my general response would be "So you say that you don't want Leliana's previous LI status to be interfered with by making her romancable again. But you let her and Josephine(A current romance option) hook up? That seems to cause the same issue. WTF." In my opinion, Leli/Josie should be restricted to headcanon for this reason.

 

That being said, I have no issue(and actually would consider it kind of interesting) with the idea that Leliana and Josephine are old flames. Though, frankly, they strike me as close friends, not former lovers. Calling her "Josie" is incredibly informal, however. So the chance is non-zero that they have that kind of history.

 

Beyond that, let you ships sail away, folks. Sail away.

[The Elder King]

As I Said before, I don't care if Josie and Leliana ends up together or had a relationship in The past, but I don't see anything in yesterday's scene that implies that. I saw friends acting in similar way (well, Without The Assassin plot setting ).