Ah, I just realized I didn't do Josephine's family crest operation at the war table. I had beaten the game and couldn't talk to anyone after that, luckily I had a save file prior to beating the game. I think that will enable me to finish the romance
Yeah, after the game the world is still open but you can't do any of your follower's quests, including romance.
I'd been going to come into this topic to say something positive.
But after learning of this? No longer.
**** me. They imbalance the romance options to begin with and then they play some kind of coy crap? Believe me, I'm not trying to be prurient on this, but... I'm infuriated. I like and value sex, and I never thought I'd have to worry about Bioware tiptoeing around this. Especially for one of only two f/f options.
People are not Disney princesses. Disney princesses are fluffy overmerchandised pieces of crap barely a step above Barbie dolls when viewed in total, and even if you ignore all the merchandising, they're part of a very specific and very restricted niche that you shouldn't just copy in a setting where the conventions are completely different. Not to mention that this gorram "gentleman's duel" thing is no better without sex at the end than with; it's a cheesefest tilted toward sexism in a hetero relationship either way.
I consider this a very poor decision, I will not add to Josephine's completed romance telemetry, and I will hope deeply that nothing like it is done ever again. And it was my mistake, I suppose, to have entered Josephine's romance while thinking that it could be taken seriously.
Good, more Josie for us that appreciate the character.
Yeah, after the game the world is still open but you can't do any of your follower's quests, including romance.
Hmm, didn't know that. Thanks for the heads up.
Oh and the more I get to know Josie, the more I like her. 
Yeah, after the game the world is still open but you can't do any of your follower's quests, including romance.
Which is a shame since there is new dialog and such for everyone, after that though nothing. Not being able to go to the courtyard with Josie in post-ending sucks.
Which is a shame since there is new dialog and such for everyone, after that though nothing. Not being able to go to the courtyard with Josie in post-ending sucks.
Maybe they'll add a bit more when the DLCs hit
Good, more Josie for us that appreciate the character.
Oh, I do. Just not her romance.
Oh, I do. Just not her romance.
Why? Because they don't show her ******? Are you ****** kidding me?
Why? Because they don't show her ******? Are you ****** kidding me?
Yes, well, I happen to be one of those who sees sex as a significant emotional and narrative factor within a romantic relationship, and not mere fetish fuel to be drooled over by the plebes. Forgive me.
If they want to include asexual romances in game, fine by me. Let the PC say outright that they don't want sex, and if the LI accepts that, I have no problem with it. But I don't appreciate how this was done.
If they want to include asexual romances in game, fine by me. Let the PC say outright that they don't want sex, and if the LI accepts that, I have no problem with it. But I don't appreciate how this was done.
You don't appreciate that it was left ambiguous and up to the player if they had sex or not?
You don't appreciate that it was left ambiguous and up to the player if they had sex or not?
Correct. Because it could have been up to the player without being ambiguous.
Hmm, didn't know that. Thanks for the heads up.
Oh and the more I get to know Josie, the more I like her.
You're welcome.
Which is a shame since there is new dialog and such for everyone, after that though nothing. Not being able to go to the courtyard with Josie in post-ending sucks.
Maybe they'll add a bit more when the DLCs hit
I fully expect post-campaign DLC if not a full expansion pack. The way Morrigan foreshadows it is to clear for them not to.
This was a nice change of pace compared to the other romances. The duel scene was epic & I would totally duel someone for my kadan.
Spoiler
The leg pop whenever they kiss is really cute.
Correct. Because it could have been up to the player without being ambiguous.
Um, wasn't the player determining someone's sexuality one of the biggest complaints DA2 got on the romance subject?
Um, wasn't the player determining someone's sexuality one of the biggest complaints DA2 got on the romance subject?
It wasn't mine. And isn't the player doing exactly that in the current situation anyway, with the uncertainty over whether or not it's asexual?
Correct. Because it could have been up to the player without being ambiguous.
It still is up to the player, you just don't see anything
For the Heraldry from a Herald operation, do you need Leliana for that one? As it shows it's "busy" for me when I have Cullen and Josephine not on any operations, and I'm on a save point prior to finishing the game.
For the Heraldry from a Herald operation, do you need Leliana for that one? As it shows it's "busy" for me when I have Cullen and Josephine not on any operations, and I'm on a save point prior to finishing the game.
Yes, you need Leliana because she wants to be a part of giving Josephine a surprise present.
It still is up to the player, you just don't see anything
Which is my objection, from a narrative and emotional standpoint.
Yes, you need Leliana because she wants to be a part of giving Josephine a surprise present.
Many thanks, was worried I accidentally screwed something up. At least I now know to finish basically everything before fighting the final boss again, just so I don't miss any conversations or areas to go to.
Which is my objection, from a narrative and emotional standpoint.
I'm actually in agreement with Xilizhra. Its just that Cass is SO awesome that I don't put much energy into the slight disappoint in the Josephine romance. That said, they kiss, they dance, its a Disney romance, the rated XXX stuff can be left to the imagination. So its not a big deal to me but it still irks me.
I romanced Josephine in my game and to be honest I was severely disappointed.
Not because of the lack of sex but rather because of the lack of scenes outside of the quests. I mean come on, kissing in the courtyard can't be the only activity a couple does right? I kind of enjoyed the interaction between Jose and her sister, hoped to have more of that.
Played through Cassandra's romance and while a little bit better was still disappointing. The way her attitude changed and unraveled added just that little more depth than Josephine.
Seems like the only thing a couple does in DA:I is kiss all the time.
All this hate on Josephine's romance is really making me reconsider it. I know it's really sudden, but it's about time someone make an honest man out of me.
What better way to do it than duel someone 
All this hate on Josephine's romance is really making me reconsider it. I know it's really sudden, but it's about time someone make an honest man out of me.
That was one of the funnier lines of dialog between the herald and Josephine.
I fully expect post-campaign DLC if not a full expansion pack. The way Morrigan foreshadows it is to clear for them not to.
Same for a few reasons. Spoilers for certain things near the end,
Which is my objection, from a narrative and emotional standpoint.
Because... the sex is ambiguous?
So, if you got to see nudity of some sort the romance would be fine for you? I can understand if you don't like the romance because you feel that the characters don't grow enough through it, but would a sex scene really have changed all that much?
I'm sorry, but I am honestly having difficulty understanding how an ambiguous sex scene creates a weaker narrative/emotional bond.
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