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[Lukas Trevelyan]

Guys. Dragon Age Inquisition won Game Of The Year. So it's about time we spread lots of positivity! I'm planning on writing a more full post on Josephine/her romance/my character..etc.. but for now we have a question that's finally answered.

In Josephine's interview Sylvia mentioned that there was one particular scene that she loved writing, and that scene is no other than:

 

Sylvf ‏@Sylvf1  2h2 hours ago

@Vijoelante The duel between the player and Otranto. I liked that it was a big, enjoyable scene that dipped into melodrama for the fun of it
 

Sylvf ‏@Sylvf1  2h2 hours ago

@Vijoelante When I asked cinematician (not his real title) @rjtboisvert "how about a duel?" I thought he'd start laughing/crying.

 

Sylvf ‏@Sylvf1  2h2 hours ago

@Vijoelante @rjtboisvert But to his credit, he did not! And in fact he delivered a really cool, complex moment that was everything I'd hoped

[Lukas Trevelyan]

Can you link to the source of this statement?

Someone just randomly 'favorite' the tweet I made about her statement so I found it!  
 

Inquisitor Joe ‏@Vijoelante  Sep 15

@Sylvf1 I do have a wonder if you can answer me. How old is Josephine?
 

Sylvf‏@Sylvf1

@Vijoelante I never gave her an exact age in my mind but I'd ballpark it at around 27-29.

[Zandilar]

 

I wasn't really making an argument at all, merely posing a question. I won't pretend to have the answer as to why she didn't have a suitor before this. That's a question better suited for the writers. 

 

As far as flirting goes, that isn't exactly a requirement to engage in the game. It's more of a tool that you can use to achieve an end. Doesn't mean you have to make use of it, and according to the game she never did. Take for example the inquisitor in the Winter Palace, you didn't have to flirt with the people of the court in order to achieve your end. 

 

There isn't any Josephine/Blackwall romance. The only characters in this game that hook up if neither are romanced are Dorian and Blackwall. 

 

You still need to be able to understand flirting/romance/courting to deal with people who are trying to flirt with/romance/court you, even if it is to graciously extract yourself from the situation without causing undue insult. It also gives you the tools to recognise when someone is trying to use those things to take advantage of you.

 

As for the romance, people were discussing it a few pages ago in this thread (something to do with stalking, I think?). Plus, it's Dorian and Iron Bull, Blackwall is straight.

[Jaron Oberyn]

You still need to be able to understand flirting/romance/courting to deal with people who are trying to flirt with/romance/court you, even if it is to graciously extract yourself from the situation without causing undue insult. It also gives you the tools to recognise when someone is trying to use those things to take advantage of you.

 

As for the romance, people were discussing it a few pages ago in this thread (something to do with stalking, I think?). Plus, it's Dorian and Iron Bull, Blackwall is straight.

Typo, I meant IB. Blackwall basically stalks her and harbors some naughty thoughts according to Cole. I forgot where I read it, but someone mentioned that when you ask Josephine about it she said that she wasn't interested in him or something to that effect. Either way, they don't hook up at all. The only pairings in game are IB/Dorian. 

[Han Shot First]

Is Josephine a virgin?

 

I doubt it.

 

There is nothing to indicate that Josephine had not lived a normal adult life up to that point.

[Jaron Oberyn]

I doubt it.

 

Besides Leliana's dialogue possibily indicating otherwise, there is nothing to indicate that Josephine had not lived a normal adult life up to that point.

Normal adult life is subjective. If she really wasn't a virgin, she wouldn't be so awkward during the romance/flirts. She comes across as very inexperienced. I still can't dig up the quote where the dev confirmed she is, but as someone pointed out earlier every single Bio game has a romance who is a virgin. She's clearly that for DAI. 

[Lukas Trevelyan]

I doubt it.

 

There is nothing to indicate that Josephine had not lived a normal adult life up to that point.

 

Um I'm just sayin. My Bro is 26, he's still a virgin and I'm pretty sure he's a 'normal' adult. 

[Han Shot First]

Normal adult life is subjective. If she really wasn't a virgin, she wouldn't be so awkward during the romance/flirts. She comes across as very inexperienced. I still can't dig up the quote where the dev confirmed she is, but as someone pointed out earlier every single Bio game has a romance who is a virgin. She's clearly that for DAI. 

 

Normal isn't subjective at all here. The word normal just means that which is the norm, the usual, conforming to a common standard, ect. Adults having some past romantic/sexual experience is the norm. While it might not be true for everyone, it is true for most people.

 

I disagree that it is in any way 'clear' that she is a virgin. Its not discussed at all one way or the other in the game, and being a bit clueless about someone flirting with you does not necessarily mean you haven't been involved in romantic relationships. Leliana's dialogue might also indicate the opposite.

[Lukas Trevelyan]

Normal isn't subjective at all here. The word normal just means that which is the norm, the usual, conforming to a common standard, ect. Adults having some past romantic/sexual experience is the norm. While it might not be true for everyone, it is true for most people.

 

You know it's not normal at all for people who live in the middle east to not be virgins unless they're married? Normal is ultimately subjective because each segment of the world has a 'common standard'.

[Han Shot First]

You know it's not normal at all for people who live in the middle east to not be virgins unless they're married? Normal is ultimately subjective because each segment of the world has a 'common standard'.

 

Its normal in Western civilization, on which the cultures of Thedas are loosely based.

 

Also just because a region has a prohibition against something doesn't necessarily mean that people aren't breaking those rules. Alcohol consumption for example is also prohibited or frowned upon in many Islamic countries, but is still fairly common place. Tehran, the capital of the Islamic Republic of Iran, has a problem with large numbers of heroin users.

[Sifr]

Normal isn't subjective at all here. The word normal just means that which is the norm, the usual, conforming to a common standard, ect. Adults having some past romantic/sexual experience is the norm. While it might not be true for everyone, it is true for most people.

 

I disagree that it is in any way 'clear' that she is a virgin. Its not discussed at all one way or the other in the game, and being a bit clueless about someone flirting with you does not necessarily mean you haven't been involved in romantic relationships. Leliana's dialogue might also indicate the opposite.

 

Agreed, Leliana's dialogue suggests that Josie can be something of a party girl if you convince her to take a night off and let her hair down. Besides, are we supposed to believe that the same Josie who would agree to drunkenly nail her smallclothes to a Chantry board wouldn't also have had the confidence for a casual hookup?

 

Her dialogue about some of her time boarding in Val Royeaux seems to suggest she had a lot of social engagements with many peers her own age, so I don't see her not having had some romantic entanglements with some of them, especially given that she dabbled in the life of a bard for a brief time.

 

I'd wager that Josie is actually more experienced than Cass, who admits to both Varric in banter and the Male Inq if romanced, that the only man she'd ever slept with was Regalyan and that dalliance ended over twenty years ago.

[Lukas Trevelyan]

Its normal in Western civilization, on which the cultures of Thedas are loosely based.

 

Also just because a region has a prohibition against something doesn't necessarily mean that people aren't breaking those rules. Alcohol consumption for example is also prohibited or frowned upon in many Islamic countries, but is still fairly common place. Tehran, the capital of the Islamic Republic of Iran, has a problem with large numbers of heroin users.

Breaking the rules isn't exactly 'normal' now is it? It just occured to me, maybe Josephine isn't 'normal'? As many people follow a way of life, it can also work both ways. There could be a ton of people who are simply not interested in sex, or alcohol, or etc... 

This notion is silly  and it's starting to lose relevance; does it even matter? I'm okay with curiosity but there are people who'll disagree on a more personal level, so I suggest we drop it. 

[Basement Cat]

To add to this debate: Leliana says Josephine is 'innocent in love'. She could have had casual sexual encounters without feelings being involved. Maybe she is innocent in the sense that she has never put her heart on the line before. 

 

Spoilers for her romance follow.

 

Spoiler

After Leliana confronts us, Josephine says she can manage any relationship between us. It could be interpreted two ways:

1. She thinks we want a casual relationship, she has no objections and she's annoyed about Leliana babying her.

2. She thinks it's harmless flirting that will lead to nothing more and she's annoyed about Leliana making a mountain out of a molehill.

 

In the same scene, if we admit to wanting a full relationship with her, she seems completely taken aback by it. Again, two possible interpretations.

1. She thought we wanted a casual relationship and she's surprised that we want a committed one.

2. She was completely oblivious to our affection and she's surprised that there really is something there.

 

In the duel, we can choose to commit to her by outright saying : I love you. She's again surprised, then confesses to loving us too.

 

So, it could really go two ways:

1. Josephine has had sexual relations before, but has not been involved in a committed relationship. Hence her being caught by surprise when we want one.

2. Josephine has never had a relationship of any kind before. That still explains the surprise.

 

TL;DR: It's open to interpretation.

[Lukas Trevelyan]

Looks like I'm romancing Josephine again (oops) 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Let's avoid the whole "What constitutes a 'normal adult life'" please. It can deteriorate very fast since it suggests people who don't fit that aren't normal when that isn't true.  

 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

Agreed, Leliana's dialogue suggests that Josie can be something of a party girl if you convince her to take a night off and let her hair down. Besides, are we supposed to believe that the same Josie who would agree to drunkenly nail her smallclothes to a Chantry board wouldn't also have had the confidence for a casual hookup?

Who said it was her smallclothes? Leliana never says who they belong to. That dialogue was a reference to a side quest in the Leliana's Song DLC.

[Br3admax]

 

Let's avoid the whole "What constitutes a 'normal adult life'" please. It can deteriorate very fast since it suggests people who don't fit that aren't normal when that isn't true.  

Depends on what you mean by normal, though I'll say Josephine certainly fits the definition of normal adult even without sleeping with someone yet. 

[introverted_assassin]

This is why I liked Cat's post. It's literally left up to the player's interpretation of the relationship. I'm romancing her now. And I don't see a lot of what other people do sans the sweetness of it all, which i'm okay with now that I've actually played through it.

Spoiler

after Wicked Hearts, she was very concerned about my character...offered to get her a drink...affectionately caressed her hair...but i literally just wanted to dance with her. I can only remember 3 people asking me how I was doing in the beginning...Josie, Cassie, & Varric. Where is her family's crest though? I got the war table mission and that person couldn't find it. I'd like to get it for her.

[Basement Cat]

This is why I liked Cat's post. It's literally left up to the player's interpretation of the relationship. I'm romancing her now. And I don't see a lot of what other people do sans the sweetness of it all, which i'm okay with now that I've actually played through it.

Spoiler

after Wicked Hearts, she was very concerned about my character...offered to get her a drink...affectionately caressed her hair...but i literally just wanted to dance with her. I can only remember 3 people asking me how I was doing in the beginning...Josie, Cassie, & Varric. Where is her family's crest though? I got the war table mission and that person couldn't find it. I'd like to get it for her.

About your question:

 

Spoiler

You have to go to Val Royaux to buy it. From the merchant in the street on the lower level.

[introverted_assassin]

found. thank you!

[Jaron Oberyn]

Agreed, Leliana's dialogue suggests that Josie can be something of a party girl if you convince her to take a night off and let her hair down. Besides, are we supposed to believe that the same Josie who would agree to drunkenly nail her smallclothes to a Chantry board wouldn't also have had the confidence for a casual hookup?

 

Her dialogue about some of her time boarding in Val Royeaux seems to suggest she had a lot of social engagements with many peers her own age, so I don't see her not having had some romantic entanglements with some of them, especially given that she dabbled in the life of a bard for a brief time.

 

I'd wager that Josie is actually more experienced than Cass, who admits to both Varric in banter and the Male Inq if romanced, that the only man she'd ever slept with was Regalyan and that dalliance ended over twenty years ago.

 

Again, this was already cleared up by her writers. Nothing happened in that party that leliana was referring to. Try to keep up. 

[jtav]

A few days ago, I asked for advice on starting the romance. I'm now pretty far along, so I thought I'd share my thoughts.

 

At first I didn't like it. She and my Cadash got off on the wrong foot, When I flirted she seemed oblivious. Even locking in the romance and the Winter Palace didn't inspire a feeling of connection. But...then I hit the swordfight. I grew up watching the Guy Williams Zorro and '40s swashbucklers. So I was looking forward to some good old-fashioned Flynning. Which I got, with Cadash acquitting herself pretty well. And then the love confession. 100% cheese, but it works. Especially when the Inquisitor twirling her around and that being the moment Cadash realizes she's in love. And then in the aftermath where they just talk and cuddle like a normal couple. It finally felt like a romance, with them being an exceptionally solid couple.

 

So I might just abandon my m!Inquisitor plans and just rotate Josie, Cullen, and Blackwall.

[Efvie]

Finally finished, after some 130 hours of play… and sadly, as much as I liked Josephine, the romance left me rather cold. Maybe a further playthrough will help later on. It being delayed so late into the game (for me) probably didn’t help, as nice as the duel scenes were.

 

Spoiler

I think it can best be summarized by the fact that there wasn’t a cutscene—not even highdef dialogue—before the final fight. Though, for all I know, all the romances are the same.

[Lukas Trevelyan]

Finally finished, after some 130 hours of play… and sadly, as much as I liked Josephine, the romance left me rather cold. Maybe a further playthrough will help later on. It being delayed so late into the game (for me) probably didn’t help, as nice as the duel scenes were.

Spoiler

I think it can best be summarized by the fact that there wasn’t a cutscene—not even highdef dialogue—before the final fight. Though, for all I know, all the romances are the same.

I'm sorry you feel that way.

Spoiler

Anyway just to let you know there is a dialogue you can have with Josie before going after Cory. It's actually pretty sweet too when she almost starts crying near the end. Its a non cutscenes dialogue btw.