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[Razored1313]

What if you're a dwarf or elf??? Can you still do the dark ritual with Morrigan?
 
And what if your Warden has a darker skin color or is a different race? lol

My warden was a dwarf, didn't do the ritual but romanced morrigan so Kieran showed up, looked exactly the same, but in my case he does resemble my dwarf somewhat in facial appearance (not saying he changed at all, but my warden coincidentally had similar features) so it made sense in my game. As far as I know it doesn't have an effect Kieran looks like that no matter what.

[AresKeith]

How does she keep hot wax from dripping all over her clipboard?

 

[Lukas Trevelyan]

How does she keep hot wax from dripping all over her clipboard?

 

It probably does drip, but fall off as well because the candle is placed on a curved spot. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, magic candles that never burn out do exist in Dragon Age lore. The Circle of Magi offered to do it for the Andraste's Flame that are lit in Chantries and have to be tended, but the Chantry refused to use them. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

http://endrae.tumblr...i-cannot-handle

[Giggles_Manically]

Okay so how far does the Josie X Blackwall thing go if neither are romanced?

[HuldraDancer]

Oh something I've been wondering I heard about the thing with Josephine and Blackwall and was wondering how do you trigger it? Would be cute to have them get to together in a run where I'm not romancing either of them, but I have no idea how to trigger it at all.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Okay so how far does the Josie X Blackwall thing go if neither are romanced?

It doesn't go anywhere past passing notes or tokens of affection.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Oh something I've been wondering I heard about the thing with Josephine and Blackwall and was wondering how do you trigger it? Would be cute to have them get to together in a run where I'm not romancing either of them, but I have no idea how to trigger it at all.

You need to travel around with Rainier and either Cole, Sera, Varric, or Vivienne. They will comment on it in banter eventually and afterwords you can ask both Josephine and Rainier about it. 

[HuldraDancer]

You need to travel around with Rainier and either Cole, Sera, Varric, or Vivienne. They will comment on it in banter eventually and afterwords you can ask both Josephine and Rainier about it. 

 

 

Alright thanks. I'll have to try that when I'm playing something other than a rogue for once

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Alright thanks. I'll have to try that when I'm playing something other than a rogue for once

You're welcome, though I'm upset about it being part of the game. Makes it really hard to romance Josephine now. If it wasn't for what Rainier did, I wouldn't be able to at all leaving this as yet another Bioware game where the romance of my choice was ruined. 

[Tayah]

I liked the romance overall, but man was that duel scene disappointing. Great idea, but poor execution.

I actually disagree with you here because in a world where f/f relationships are considered a quirk and there is no f/f marriage and the idea of such a thing wouldn't occur to anyone in Thedas it makes no sense for a female inquisitor to be able to duel for Josie. If this had been a straight romance only then sure the rest of your points I'd agree with to some degree though I think this might have been written before other races were included in addition to humans because it really only makes sense for a noble male to be able to duel for Josephine. Everyone else would and should lose a duel to Otranto because he fences on a daily basis and most other races/classes will have never picked up a rapier in their life. And that also makes me wonder why any other inquisitor would try and duel him when they're going to lose if Josie doesn't intervene and supposedly they're trying to keep the duel secret from Josephine so...?

 

From my point of view the duel doesn't work in my f/f romance of Josie which is a pity because she's one of my favourite characters and I prefer her as a romance and character to Sera by a long way. Also if I don't romance her why would she and Blackwall have anything going on when she should be betrothed to Otranto? If that doesn't happen regardless it makes the duel feel even more unnecessary to me than it already does. Just my opinion and how I found the romance which I pretty much liked otherwise, I still like her better than most other characters actually though I would have liked more conversations with her.

[Han Shot First]

Josephine romance, like ME3 ending, was a let down. Hug and a kiss?!?! Weak and poor writing.

 

Now that I've finally completed the game and her arc, I'm not sure why people are griping that they never go beyond kissing. After the return to Skyhold following the final defeat of Corypheus, it is rather heavily implied that the Inquisitor and Josephine were sneaking off from the party to the Inquisitor's bedroom for sex. And after the fade to black, it fades back in with them standing on the bedroom's balcony the next morning.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Also if I don't romance her why would she and Blackwall have anything going on when she should be betrothed to Otranto? If that doesn't happen regardless it makes the duel feel even more unnecessary to me than it already does. Just my opinion and how I found the romance which I pretty much liked otherwise, I still like her better than most other characters actually though I would have liked more conversations with her.

The engagement happens regardless of you romancing her or not. However unlike the Inquisitor, Rainier won't duel Otranto to call off the engagement so breaks off the courting thing he was doing. 

 

Now that I've finally completed the game and her arc, I'm not sure why people are griping that they never go beyond kissing. After the return to Skyhold following the final defeat of Corypheus, it is rather heavily implied that the Inquisitor and Josephine were sneaking off from the party to the Inquisitor's bedroom for sex. And after the fade to black, it fades back in with them standing on the bedroom's balcony the next morning.

Well, if you think about it the sunrise has to be within an hour at max from the party. The Breach reopening happens in the day, and yet by the time the Inquisitor gets there it is at night. The fight itself would inlore take probably an hour or so, then several hours of heading back to Skyhold. Since Bioware has said their day and night cycle is the same as Earth's, that means it has to be in the early morning by the time they get back and have the party, which would also inlore take longer than we play it since there is no way nobody but the followers talked to us. Leliana even says as much. So by the time the Inquisitor can finally sneak away, it has to be near dawn.

 

So while those who think they have sex can think that, I wouldn't say it is heavily implied. Especially since we know from the writer herself that she wrote it so that there was no strong implying either way on the issue. 

[Han Shot First]

 

So while those who think they have sex can think that, I wouldn't say it is heavily implied. Especially since we know from the writer herself that she wrote it so that there was no strong implying either way on the issue. 

 

I'd say that that final scene rather heavily implies it, whether or not that was intended when pen was put to paper. The body language of the two characters and the tone of their voices, and the fact that they were sneaking away from the party to a bedroom...I would say that all rather heavy implies more than just talking. I'd post the scene here but strangely it doesn't seem to be included in the romance arc vids people have posted to youtube.

[AshesEleven]

So about the whole sex thing, if you talk to Josie in the Arbor Wilds, you can have a quick talk about some "private time" when you get back to Skyhold, and she does a little giggle and says something along the lines of "Really, is that what you're thinking of?"

 

Also just came here to say that the Josephine romance was awesome

[Han Shot First]

So about the whole sex thing, if you talk to Josie in the Arbor Wilds, you can have a quick talk about some "private time" when you get back to Skyhold, and she does a little giggle and says something along the lines of "Really, is that what you're thinking of?"

 

Also just came here to say that the Josephine romance was awesome

 

Right. You also have that dialogue that leads up to that scene at the party. I'd say its all rather suggestive. 

 

Of course people can head canon that they don't get physical if they prefer, but I don't think the complaints that the romance arc never moves beyond kissing has merit.

[Zandilar]

I actually disagree with you here because in a world where f/f relationships are considered a quirk and there is no f/f marriage and the idea of such a thing wouldn't occur to anyone in Thedas it makes no sense for a female inquisitor to be able to duel for Josie. If this had been a straight romance only then sure the rest of your points I'd agree with to some degree though I think this might have been written before other races were included in addition to humans because it really only makes sense for a noble male to be able to duel for Josephine. Everyone else would and should lose a duel to Otranto because he fences on a daily basis and most other races/classes will have never picked up a rapier in their life. And that also makes me wonder why any other inquisitor would try and duel him when they're going to lose if Josie doesn't intervene and supposedly they're trying to keep the duel secret from Josephine so...?

 

From my point of view the duel doesn't work in my f/f romance of Josie which is a pity because she's one of my favourite characters and I prefer her as a romance and character to Sera by a long way. Also if I don't romance her why would she and Blackwall have anything going on when she should be betrothed to Otranto? If that doesn't happen regardless it makes the duel feel even more unnecessary to me than it already does. Just my opinion and how I found the romance which I pretty much liked otherwise, I still like her better than most other characters actually though I would have liked more conversations with her.

 

With the duel, I thought it was pretty obvious that my mage was losing it before Josephine breaks it up (she wasn't really trying, just parrying Otranto)... Without her light sab... err magical blade, my mage is not really a melee fighter, regardless of her being a Qunari (which means she's probably stronger, and certainly has reach on Ortranto). On the other hand, there's no reason why a warrior would lose that duel. They're probably trained in a number of different weapons and combat techniques... Same goes with a daggers rogue... Archer rogue probably has a better chance than mage, but not as good as their melee oriented fellows. Anyway...

 

Regarding Josie romancing a female Inquisitor in favour of a marriage to Ortranto... It is odd. She's a noble, and she needs to be having heirs at some point herself. On the other hand, it is the Inquisitor (the head of a very powerful organisation by the end of the game) we're talking about. An alliance between the Montilyets and the Inquisitor could be quite advantageous, and it could very well turn the Montilyets fortunes around, and return them to their glory days. The downside is that there'll be no heir from Josephine herself, but that is easily solved by making one of her younger siblings her heir. So... I think all up, and alliance with the Inquisitor will more than make up for the lack of direct heirs.

[Corbinus]

She is the most adorable person in the game. And if flirted with is embarassed in the cutest way I have ever seen.

I almost romanced her, had to remind myself multiple times that I waited for Cass since DA 2 intro so couldn't change my mind now.

Definitely go with her on the second playthrough.

[Rykoth]

Now that I finished my "rushed" playthrough (clocked in at 55 hours) - I'm going to finally play my "canon human" playthrough. And he'll romance Josephine because hers is IMO the best romance in the game.

[Tayah]

With the duel, I thought it was pretty obvious that my mage was losing it before Josephine breaks it up (she wasn't really trying, just parrying Otranto)... Without her light sab... err magical blade, my mage is not really a melee fighter, regardless of her being a Qunari (which means she's probably stronger, and certainly has reach on Ortranto). On the other hand, there's no reason why a warrior would lose that duel. They're probably trained in a number of different weapons and combat techniques... Same goes with a daggers rogue... Archer rogue probably has a better chance than mage, but not as good as their melee oriented fellows. Anyway...

 

Regarding Josie romancing a female Inquisitor in favour of a marriage to Ortranto... It is odd. She's a noble, and she needs to be having heirs at some point herself. On the other hand, it is the Inquisitor (the head of a very powerful organisation by the end of the game) we're talking about. An alliance between the Montilyets and the Inquisitor could be quite advantageous, and it could very well turn the Montilyets fortunes around, and return them to their glory days. The downside is that there'll be no heir from Josephine herself, but that is easily solved by making one of her younger siblings her heir. So... I think all up, and alliance with the Inquisitor will more than make up for the lack of direct heirs.

Yeah I didn't think anyone has a really good chance at winning except a warrior or human noble who might have trained for duels themselves. I do agree that a warrior has the best chance but a rapier is a weapon that is very different to the swords most might fight with, same goes for daggers and regardless of the inquisitor's experience level if you speak with Josephine one of the few things she can tell you is that Otranto is a good duelist and practices pretty much all the time so regardless in a duel of his choice I can't see him losing if it's not interrupted.

 

Yes it's odd in a f/f romance to say the least and this is where I don't get it especially as once she's already betrothed there's absolutely no reason for Otranto to duel a woman for Josie's hand since they can't marry and if the idea wouldn't even occur to a Thedosian for a s/s marriage I don't get why it would occur to a man to duel a woman for the hand of a lady (or for a woman to duel a man for the hand of a gentleman). The alliance between an inquisitor and Josephine could certainly benefit the Montilyets and I agree that in terms of heirs she could pick a niece or nephew if one of her siblings isn't useful and so continue the relationship with the inquisitor. My problem is with the duel itself from an f/f perspective I just can't get my head around the logic because it's not logical to me.

 

From a lore perspective I would expect Otranto to keep the betrothal to Josephine and allow the relationship with the inquisitor to continue discreetly and plan on benefitting from both Josie's skills and the inquisitor's if the inquisitor wants to keep seeing Josie. If Josie and the inquisitor don't like that then Josie would need to break off the betrothal and if she can't find a way to do so without impacting her family's reputation I don't think she would do so and to be honest my inquisitors aren't the sharing kind so they'd be unhappy sharing her anyway.  I think maybe Josie should just have tried to get the betrothal switched to her younger sister instead. My frustration is because I am a really logical and literal person and I absolutely like Josephine but the logic in this situation bugs me... and considering she and Cassandra and then Dorian are my favourite three characters in DAI I'm a little disappointed is all, especially as I like her romance and character overall. 

[Xilizhra]

Yeah I didn't think anyone has a really good chance at winning except a warrior or human noble who might have trained for duels themselves. I do agree that a warrior has the best chance but a rapier is a weapon that is very different to the swords most might fight with, same goes for daggers and regardless of the inquisitor's experience level if you speak with Josephine one of the few things she can tell you is that Otranto is a good duelist and practices pretty much all the time so regardless in a duel of his choice I can't see him losing if it's not interrupted.

 

Yes it's odd in a f/f romance to say the least and this is where I don't get it especially as once she's already betrothed there's absolutely no reason for Otranto to duel a woman for Josie's hand since they can't marry and if the idea wouldn't even occur to a Thedosian for a s/s marriage I don't get why it would occur to a man to duel a woman for the hand of a lady (or for a woman to duel a man for the hand of a gentleman). The alliance between an inquisitor and Josephine could certainly benefit the Montilyets and I agree that in terms of heirs she could pick a niece or nephew if one of her siblings isn't useful and so continue the relationship with the inquisitor. My problem is with the duel itself from an f/f perspective I just can't get my head around the logic because it's not logical to me.

 

From a lore perspective I would expect Otranto to keep the betrothal to Josephine and allow the relationship with the inquisitor to continue discreetly and plan on benefitting from both Josie's skills and the inquisitor's if the inquisitor wants to keep seeing Josie. If Josie and the inquisitor don't like that then Josie would need to break off the betrothal and if she can't find a way to do so without impacting her family's reputation I don't think she would do so and to be honest my inquisitors aren't the sharing kind so they'd be unhappy sharing her anyway.  I think maybe Josie should just have tried to get the betrothal switched to her younger sister instead. My frustration is because I am a really logical and literal person and I absolutely like Josephine but the logic in this situation bugs me... and considering she and Cassandra and then Dorian are my favourite three characters in DAI I'm a little disappointed is all, especially as I like her romance and character overall. 

Because while same-sex marriage is unknown on Thedas, exclusive long-term relationships are not. And the Antivan dueling code presumably doesn't ban duels for this reason.

[Jaron Oberyn]

I'd say that that final scene rather heavily implies it, whether or not that was intended when pen was put to paper. The body language of the two characters and the tone of their voices, and the fact that they were sneaking away from the party to a bedroom...I would say that all rather heavy implies more than just talking. I'd post the scene here but strangely it doesn't seem to be included in the romance arc vids people have posted to youtube.

The romance videos on YouTube are missing a lot of scenes. I don't think there was a big time gap though between walking in the room and that scene. In Cassandra's scene she says she wants to talk to you, fade to black and then you're in the room talking. In fact the inquisitor says "what's this about?" Implying they just got there. No idea why it's suddenly morning, but that's that.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'd say that that final scene rather heavily implies it, whether or not that was intended when pen was put to paper. The body language of the two characters and the tone of their voices, and the fact that they were sneaking away from the party to a bedroom...I would say that all rather heavy implies more than just talking. I'd post the scene here but strangely it doesn't seem to be included in the romance arc vids people have posted to youtube.

People tend to stop after the duel and snuggle by the fire scene since that's when the achievement is granted. 

We'll have to agree to disagree. You say it heavily implies one thing, I say it doesn't imply apply that but actually implies something else. The best part is neither of us are wrong. 

 

So about the whole sex thing, if you talk to Josie in the Arbor Wilds, you can have a quick talk about some "private time" when you get back to Skyhold, and she does a little giggle and says something along the lines of "Really, is that what you're thinking of?"

 

Also just came here to say that the Josephine romance was awesome

I actually took that as more of a "let's get away from all this for a little while" than "let's do the deed when this is done". Just because it is said a few times in her romance that between you being out in the field as the Inquisitor and her being busy being the Inquisition's ambassador that the two of you barely have any time to just be alone.

 

Right. You also have that dialogue that leads up to that scene at the party. I'd say its all rather suggestive. 

 

Of course people can head canon that they don't get physical if they prefer, but I don't think the complaints that the romance arc never moves beyond kissing has merit.

Yeah, the complaints don't have merit. If they are upset that the arc never moves past kissing, they have nothing to blame but their imagination. 

 

The romance videos on YouTube are missing a lot of scenes. I don't think there was a big time gap though between walking in the room and that scene. In Cassandra's scene she says she wants to talk to you, fade to black and then you're in the room talking. In fact the inquisitor says "what's this about?" Implying they just got there. No idea why it's suddenly morning, but that's that.

I didn't know that. That really helps my hypothesis that the party takes place near dawn rather than full night. 

[draken-heart]

In regards to the duel: I personally agree that it seems odd with f/f. I personally think that the whole romance seems to be m/f in nature, while f/f was slapped on at the end.