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[Cribbian]

 

The citizens of Val Royeaux knows the score

[dixophilia]

You know, the sad thing is, I've romanced Josephine three times and never got that dialogue in Val Royeaux. Nor did I ever get a comment from Dorian.

 

But I do like that the citizens recognize that the LI in question is "just a step down from Andraste" with the Inquisitor--whether they like it or not--being the herald and all that.

[Korva]

I still find it amusing how good of a dancer the Inquisitor is especially as a Qunari.

I personally RP that Josephine taught my Qunari and he told no one just to watch them go: 

 

Oh yes, I definitely think that Josie and Leliana would have drilled the living daylights out of the rest of the crew before the ball, especially the Inquisitor. Even a human Inquisitor would be way in over their head otherwise, and there's just too much at stake to blunder in unprepared. Dancing, etiquette, keeping your pleasant "Game face" on even when saying or hearing the most outrageous nonsense, making conversation with prying nobles without giving your own intentions away ...

Cullen, Cassandra and my similarly no-nonsense human warrior, Leliana and Josephine definitely had their work cut out for them and kinda deserve a medal for not only that but also for all their other behind-the-scenes work while their leader gets all the public credit. I wonder if Josie would enjoy a dance (private or public) as a reward for all her efforts even when there are no romantic intentions involved.

[CosmicGnosis]

Hey guys, I have a question about Josephine's romance. There seems to be a "dueling" scene that some people complain is out-of-character for their Inquisitors. Is this a legitimate complaint, or are people blowing this out of proportion?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Hey guys, I have a question about Josephine's romance. There seems to be a "dueling" scene that some people complain is out-of-character for their Inquisitors. Is this a legitimate complaint, or are people blowing this out of proportion?

Well, it could very well be out of character for their particular Inquisitor. However lorewise it is not out of character since it is an Antivan custom.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Sketchy thing for what I imagine may have happened shortly after the Inquisition set up in Haven (and a certain spymaster seemed most sad and aloof).

http://afragmentcast...y-have-happened

[Xilizhra]

Don't feel bad. Rainier doesn't deserve any sympathy after what he has done. 

Josephine would give it.

 

 

Mmm. A lot of sweet moments, perhaps. But how many times did any of the characters face any serious, personal difficulty? How many moments were any of them they legitimately terrified, weak, or desperate? How many moments did any of the characters express courage, skill, determination, or integrity? Not very many.

Yes, and the reason for that is DA2, aka sales poison for EA. A lot of DAI was trying to get as far away from DA2 as possible, and reversing DA2's grimness to be mostly triumphant was a major part of that.

 

 

Well, it could very well be out of character for their particular Inquisitor. However lorewise it is not out of character since it is an Antivan custom.

The out-of-character part is for any Inquisitor who wouldn't be a trained rapier duelist.

[AresKeith]

The out-of-character part is for any Inquisitor who wouldn't be a trained rapier duelist.

 

Which is every Inquisitor 

[Blackout62]

[Snip]

Sketchy thing for what I imagine may have happened shortly after the Inquisition set up in Haven (and a certain spymaster seemed most sad and aloof).

http://afragmentcast...y-have-happened

 

Huh... You know being from Antiva, Haven might've been the first time Josephine has been in snow.

[BabyPuncher]

Yes, and the reason for that is DA2, aka sales poison for EA. A lot of DAI was trying to get as far away from DA2 as possible, and reversing DA2's grimness to be mostly triumphant was a major part of that.

 

That probably has somewhat more to due with ME 3 than DA 2.

 

But they got it wrong. It's not triumphant at all. You can't have triumph unless there's a struggle to triumph over. And there weren't many.

[Sifr]

 

The out-of-character part is for any Inquisitor who wouldn't be a trained rapier duelist.

 

Maybe they got some pointers from the Inquisition soldiers and got in some practice since it probably took a while for Otranto to arrive from Antiva... so the only real issue might be how they kept it hidden from Josephine that they'd thrown down the gauntlet in her honour, and more importantly, keeping this fact from Leliana and her little birds, who as her friend is bound to tell her?

 

On the other hand, the Inquisitor doesn't look particularly good at fencing and it's likely that Otranto realised this and decided to just toy with them? Reminds me of that scene in the Firefly episode "Shindig" where Mal seems particularly pleased with himself during the fencing match, not realising that his opponent Atherton has yet to actually put any effort into the duel, leading Harrow to comment, "He thinks he's doing well, doesn't he?"

 

I like to imagine that Josie broke up the fight before Otranto took off the kid gloves for Round Two and proceeded to lay down a beatdown so hard, the Inquisitor would have been left hanging from a flagpole with a four-star wedgie and minus their lunch money?

[Han Shot First]

They should bring Otranto back as a companion in DA4.

 

It wouldn't be the first time a minor character not encountered by all players ended up as a companion in a later game. (Merrill & Isabela)

[Xilizhra]

Maybe they got some pointers from the Inquisition soldiers and got in some practice since it probably took a while for Otranto to arrive from Antiva... so the only real issue might be how they kept it hidden from Josephine that they'd thrown down the gauntlet in her honour, and more importantly, keeping this fact from Leliana and her little birds, who as her friend is bound to tell her?

 

On the other hand, the Inquisitor doesn't look particularly good at fencing and it's likely that Otranto realised this and decided to just toy with them? Reminds me of that scene in the Firefly episode "Shindig" where Mal seems particularly pleased with himself during the fencing match, not realising that his opponent Atherton has yet to actually put any effort into the duel, leading Harrow to comment, "He thinks he's doing well, doesn't he?"

 

I like to imagine that Josie broke up the fight before Otranto took off the kid gloves for Round Two and proceeded to lay down a beatdown so hard, the Inquisitor would have been left hanging from a flagpole with a four-star wedgie and minus their lunch money?

All the more reason to question why the hell the Inquisitor did this to begin with instead of letting Josephine sort it out. There's no way it would have ended well had Josephine not called the whole thing off.

[Aimi]

On the other hand, the Inquisitor doesn't look particularly good at fencing and it's likely that Otranto realised this and decided to just toy with them? Reminds me of that scene in the Firefly episode "Shindig" where Mal seems particularly pleased with himself during the fencing match, not realising that his opponent Atherton has yet to actually put any effort into the duel, leading Harrow to comment, "He thinks he's doing well, doesn't he?"

Meh. Look too deeply into the situation and it falls apart around the edges. Real fencers wouldn't have let the engagement last nearly that long; short, sharp, and to the point (puns all totally intended) is the norm for bouts even between well-matched duelists. Plus, it'd be a fairly horrendous error in judgment for Otranto to deliberately prolong any event during which his life was at stake, even if he was confident he could win.

It's just a storytelling device. The end result is what matters.

[Rundy Bundles]

Maybe they got some pointers from the Inquisition soldiers and got in some practice since it probably took a while for Otranto to arrive from Antiva... so the only real issue might be how they kept it hidden from Josephine that they'd thrown down the gauntlet in her honour, and more importantly, keeping this fact from Leliana and her little birds, who as her friend is bound to tell her?

I don't think the 'Quiz kept it hidden from Leliana, only Josephine. There was a War Table operation to get dirt on the Ortranto family (Leliana, if you have the Underworld Perk), and of course, the one organising the duel (Cullen.) I'd like to assume that Leliana is 'helping out' like she did when the Inquisitor gets her family crest...buuuuut, I can see where the question comes in.

 

But hey, I guess we all know now that the Inquisitor is rubbish at fencing and afraid of spiders. The Elder One should exploit those weaknesses.

 

They should bring Otranto back as a companion in DA4.

 

It wouldn't be the first time a minor character not encountered by all players ended up as a companion in a later game. (Merrill & Isabela)

I would love that. Top bloke, that guy. Someone posted this:

https://www.youtube....h?v=H5NsaR1716U

Bromance? 

 

Bromance. 

 

Er...moving on. 

[Xilizhra]

Meh. Look too deeply into the situation and it falls apart around the edges. Real fencers wouldn't have let the engagement last nearly that long; short, sharp, and to the point (puns all totally intended) is the norm for bouts even between well-matched duelists. Plus, it'd be a fairly horrendous error in judgment for Otranto to deliberately prolong any event during which his life was at stake, even if he was confident he could win.

It's just a storytelling device. The end result is what matters.

Given that the Inquisitor is not a real fencer, I wouldn't be surprised if they were fighting a delaying action the whole time while hoping for Otranto to screw up, perhaps?

 

 

But hey, I guess we all know now that the Inquisitor is rubbish at fencing and afraid of spiders. The Elder One should exploit those weaknesses.

I don't think the Inquisitor is afraid of spiders; I think that spiders are the "blank" state of those demons, either their natural form or just the form they take when they can't easily read someone's mind.

[Cribbian]

Today I found out that Krem has infected Josie with standingonchairiosis. Sadly she sat down again before I could take a screenshot

[Han Yolo]

So I was wondering, who mentions the romance? I know Dorian and Cole talk about it, as do Sera and Cullen when you ask them. Is there someone else? Any banter, perhaps?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Huh... You know being from Antiva, Haven might've been the first time Josephine has been in snow.

I think she has seen snow before. Remember she spent years in Orlais while finishing her schooling and serving as Antiva's ambassador.

[Aimi]

Given that the Inquisitor is not a real fencer, I wouldn't be surprised if they were fighting a delaying action the whole time while hoping for Otranto to screw up, perhaps?

That's...not a thing. Partially because he does screw up, several times, and those screwups are never exploited.

It's clearly not meant to be seen as a realistic duel, because of all the goofy theatrical flourishes, the slow pace, the ample opportunities to strike that were never taken (on both sides), and so on. The same problem exists with basically every movie duelist ever, from Errol Flynn in Captain Blood to Pierce Brosnan in Die Another Day.

All it is, is a device meant to demonstrate that the Inquisitor is willing to go to absurd lengths to prevent any stain on Josephine's honor and keep their relationship together, while creating Drama. It's a duel; it gets broken off by Josephine's intervention. Inserting extra layered explanations on top of that breaks the story.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

All the more reason to question why the hell the Inquisitor did this to begin with instead of letting Josephine sort it out. There's no way it would have ended well had Josephine not called the whole thing off.

One does crazy things for love. 

[Joe25]

Sketchy thing for what I imagine may have happened shortly after the Inquisition set up in Haven (and a certain spymaster seemed most sad and aloof).

http://afragmentcast...y-have-happened

If you switch Josephine and Leliana...

[Giggles_Manically]

Personally I think in the duel the Inquisitor was holding back.

 

Cause they probably knew Josephine would not want them skewering somebody over her like that.

Cause I mean if it was getting serious the Inquisitor probably would just stop playing by the rules and use their magic, or martial skills they have.

 

I know my Qunari was trying to find some way to talk Ortano down without killing him really. Though his taunts were moving him closer to -Explode with Lightning- area than anything else.

[Xilizhra]

That's...not a thing. Partially because he does screw up, several times, and those screwups are never exploited.

It's clearly not meant to be seen as a realistic duel, because of all the goofy theatrical flourishes, the slow pace, the ample opportunities to strike that were never taken (on both sides), and so on. The same problem exists with basically every movie duelist ever, from Errol Flynn in Captain Blood to Pierce Brosnan in Die Another Day.

All it is, is a device meant to demonstrate that the Inquisitor is willing to go to absurd lengths to prevent any stain on Josephine's honor and keep their relationship together, while creating Drama. It's a duel; it gets broken off by Josephine's intervention. Inserting extra layered explanations on top of that breaks the story.

I just assumed that the animations weren't meant to be taken literally, like how the characters probably didn't, in-universe, go through constant identical cycles of attack in every single battle.

 

 

Personally I think in the duel the Inquisitor was holding back.

 

Cause they probably knew Josephine would not want them skewering somebody over her like that.

Cause I mean if it was getting serious the Inquisitor probably would just stop playing by the rules and use their magic, or martial skills they have.

 

I know my Qunari was trying to find some way to talk Ortano down without killing him really. Though his taunts were moving him closer to -Explode with Lightning- area than anything else.

Well, that would count as cheating and thus a loss. And probably you'd get his family after you.

[Aimi]

I just assumed that the animations weren't meant to be taken literally, like how the characters probably didn't, in-universe, go through constant identical cycles of attack in every single battle.

Why would that matter?