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[Hanako Ikezawa]

It was the comte who invited the Inquisitor; the assassin got wind of this and replaced him before the Inquisitor and Josephine got there.

Ah, that's right. My mistake. 

[thruaglassdarkly]

It's not wrong of you to hope for that, but I hope for the opposite. I love how there is finally a romance that leaves the level of intimacy up to the player rather than having it so there is no doubt they have sex. Her writer wrote her in that way on purpose, so I don't see her changing her approach in DLCs. 

 

Realizing that romance preferences are about as YMMV as things can get, I'm going to have to agree here.  In principal I have no problem with unambiguous sex scenes in games; some romance arcs, like Sera and Bull, would be hard imagine without them.  With Josie, I like that its sort of suggested rather than stated.  It fits her sweet/coy persona to leave those details to imagination of the individual player.  And I rather like that each romance arc feels a little different, rather than variations on that same overly-dramatized cut scene that occurred in the first game.  It keeps the game fresh and replays.

[Sifr]

Has anyone posted this yet? Because honestly, it makes me laugh. The Inquisition really does put the Montilyet family in a good position, even more so if Josie is romanced. Calculated?

 

Well, Josie did train for a while to be a bard and presumably knows how to use situations to her advantage? Plus as we saw in the card game, she's got a far more devious streak than many people give her credit for, thinking she's sheltered and naive?

 

After all, she doesn't give Blackwall nearly as much time of day because he's a nobody in comparison... and getting involved with him after his true identity is made public would make her family's standing even worse?

 

If she has been using her womanly wiles on us, well, all I can say is;

 

Leliana Approves +100

 

[Cribbian]

Dont be sad, Josie

[Xilizhra]

Realizing that romance preferences are about as YMMV as things can get, I'm going to have to agree here.  In principal I have no problem with unambiguous sex scenes in games; some romance arcs, like Sera and Bull, would be hard imagine without them.  With Josie, I like that its sort of suggested rather than stated.  It fits her sweet/coy persona to leave those details to imagination of the individual player.  And I rather like that each romance arc feels a little different, rather than variations on that same overly-dramatized cut scene that occurred in the first game.  It keeps the game fresh and replays.

Ehh... not so much, for me. Not only do I really, really hate the duel scene, but I think that an unambiguous sex scene would have added an extra dimension to Josephine's character; I hardly think it would have fitted poorly.

[AresKeith]

Ehh... not so much, for me. Not only do I really, really hate the duel scene, but I think that an unambiguous sex scene would have added an extra dimension to Josephine's character; I hardly think it would have fitted poorly.

How would a sex scene add dimension to her character?

[Xilizhra]

How would a sex scene add dimension to her character?

It'd subvert the frilly, implied-to-be-chaste fairytaleish noblewoman archetype that seems to dominate her character.

[AresKeith]

It'd subvert the frilly, implied-to-be-chaste fairytaleish noblewoman archetype that seems to dominate her character.

It isn't implied, it's left to your headcanon if they had sex or not

[Lukas Trevelyan]

It'd subvert the frilly, implied-to-be-chaste fairytaleish noblewoman archetype that seems to dominate her character.

 

Aside from the fact that it is up to you to decide whether they had sex or not. What exactly is bad about that archetype? Her diplomatic skills and presence, and history add more than enough depth to her.

[dixophilia]

Well, Josie did train for a while to be a bard and presumably knows how to use situations to her advantage? Plus as we saw in the card game, she's got a far more devious streak than many people give her credit for, thinking she's sheltered and naive?

 

After all, she doesn't give Blackwall nearly as much time of day because he's a nobody in comparison... and getting involved with him after his true identity is made public would make her family's standing even worse?

 

If she has been using her womanly wiles on us, well, all I can say is;

 

Leliana Approves +100

 

Vivienne Greatly Approves

Dorian Greatly Disapproves

Solas Slightly Approves

Blackwall Is Sad

 

 

I know her interest is genuine. But it's definitely a fun idea to entertain. Everyone thinks her so innocent. During Wicked Grace she had everyone fooled into thinking she was too conservative and unsure to even start a game with more than three coppers. Then she took everyone's money. Josephine is a skilled player of the game--she wouldn't survive the Orlesian Court otherwise--and as such, she is most certainly aware of the advantages there are to being close to the Inquisitor. I mean, even Dorian brings it up if you romance him: "Someone intelligent would cozy up to the Inquisitor if they could. It'd be foolish not to. He can open doors, get you whatever you want, shower you with gifts and power. That's what they'll say. I'm the Magister who's using you."

 

So even though Josephine is sincere in her affection, the Inquisitor's position of power is probably 100% why the Inquisitor (if non-human or a woman) never receives a letter from Josephine's family disproving of their relationship. It's an entirely advantageous union.

[Xilizhra]

Aside from the fact that it is up to you to decide whether they had sex or not. What exactly is bad about that archetype? Her diplomatic skills and presence, and history add more than enough depth to her.

I think she's not given nearly enough agency in her own romance, or in her personal quest. I also dislike "playersexual" characters (everyone being bisexual, yes, but not the other thing), and I think that headcanoning this is an unfair degree of control that the player has over Josephine's sexual inclinations. Have her be asexual or have her not be.

[dixophilia]

But she's not playersexual? Josephine is bisexual. Not having an explicit sex scene doesn't negate that. The only intention was to allow players the ability to define for themselves the pacing and level of intimacy their PC had with her. Games don't allow people to discuss these things with an LI like they would with actual people. You can choose a dialogue option that suggests they're sexually active or you don't have to. Some people believe in sex after marriage. Josephine's romance is more favorable to that belief. Some asexuals are in fulfilling relationships with people who are heterosexual/homosexual/bisexual/pansexual. Josephine's romance is friendly to that as well.

 

I'm all for fleshing out her character further--out of all the romances, she has the least amount of content--but I don't think a sex scene is necessary for that.

[AresKeith]

I think she's not given nearly enough agency in her own romance, or in her personal quest. I also dislike "playersexual" characters (everyone being bisexual, yes, but not the other thing), and I think that headcanoning this is an unfair degree of control that the player has over Josephine's sexual inclinations. Have her be asexual or have her not be.

 

So your calling Josephine playersexual but not the others from DA2? That's funny

[The Elder King]

So your calling Josephine playersexual but not the others from DA2? That's funny

Well, Gaider clarified the issue (or retconnetted it) and said they are all bisexual, though your point stands. Josephine is by no means playersexual.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, Gaider clarified the issue (or retconnetted it) and said they are all bisexual

[Hanako Ikezawa]

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[The Elder King]

Sorry about the reminder.

[In Exile]

So, what did you guys decide in the quest "Of Somewhat Fallen Fortune"?

The diplomat or the spy's approach?

Josie's plan, if it works, has two advantages: the first is that it allows her to essentially establish her family as quite cunning and saavy operators in Orlais which is quite good for the Inquisition; the second is that it maintains favourable politics between the Inquisition and this assassin group. That's valuable.

[Xilizhra]

But she's not playersexual? Josephine is bisexual. Not having an explicit sex scene doesn't negate that. The only intention was to allow players the ability to define for themselves the pacing and level of intimacy their PC had with her. Games don't allow people to discuss these things with an LI like they would with actual people. You can choose a dialogue option that suggests they're sexually active or you don't have to. Some people believe in sex after marriage. Josephine's romance is more favorable to that belief. Some asexuals are in fulfilling relationships with people who are heterosexual/homosexual/bisexual/pansexual. Josephine's romance is friendly to that as well.

 

I'm all for fleshing out her character further--out of all the romances, she has the least amount of content--but I don't think a sex scene is necessary for that.

I firmly disagree. You can set the pace of other romances in the game and still have sex scenes involved, and the same could--and should--have been done here. Also, a female PC would be unable to marry Josephine.

 

Josephine is absolutely playersexual on the asexual/sexual spectrum.

[Call Me Jord]

How would a sex scene add dimension to her character?

 

 

It'd subvert the frilly, implied-to-be-chaste fairytaleish noblewoman archetype that seems to dominate her character.

 

 

It isn't implied, it's left to your headcanon if they had sex or not

 

Oh man, you people are already at the sex stuff in your headcannon?!

 

In mine, the most intimate thing my Trevelyan and Josie have done was had a bath together the night upon Corypheus's defeat. They bathed, ate, celebrated with a wine that Josie had kept hidden underneath her desk (An antivan favourite of hers, for which she saves for special occasions.) slowly danced on the balcony of the Inquisitor's bedroom (Thank god its on the Mountain side. Unless those Mountains have eyes...) and then they fell asleep in each other's embrace in bed. 

 

Then the following morning was spent hungover and in slight awkwardness (But deeply filled with happiness) at the night before. And that's all I have so far lol.

 

Spoiler

Will provide pics of my Inquisitor and if need be a commision fee for the above I said to be drawn out because my feels and me need it

 

But each to their own I guess. I just have no rush for the happy couple to -insert a referance to sex here-. 

[In Exile]

I firmly disagree. You can set the pace of other romances in the game and still have sex scenes involved, and the same could--and should--have been done here. Also, a female PC would be unable to marry Josephine.

Josephine is absolutely playersexual on the asexual/sexual spectrum.

I just don't see it. I don't recall the marriage issue coming up at all, and I don't see how the issue would necessarily be gender specific. For all we know like the Divine the Herald also really can't have a formally recognised Chantry marriage, which is really what you mean when you say "marriage".

I don't think we can impose gender tropes that explicitly aren't part of the setting on Josie.

[Xilizhra]

I just don't see it. I don't recall the marriage issue coming up at all, and I don't see how the issue would necessarily be gender specific. For all we know like the Divine the Herald also really can't have a formally recognised Chantry marriage, which is really what you mean when you say "marriage".

I don't think we can impose gender tropes that explicitly aren't part of the setting on Josie.

The Herald isn't part of the Chantry at all; there's no reason why that would be an issue. And if that's what I meant when I say "marriage," how is the "marriage" that other people want before having sex different?

[AresKeith]

I firmly disagree. You can set the pace of other romances in the game and still have sex scenes involved, and the same could--and should--have been done here. Also, a female PC would be unable to marry Josephine.

 

Josephine is absolutely playersexual on the asexual/sexual spectrum.

 

Solas doesn't have one

[Xilizhra]

Solas doesn't have one

Solas was a last minute addition, but I'd say the same thing about him as I do about Josephine. Except that he doesn't lose agency.

[AresKeith]

Solas was a last minute addition, but I'd say the same thing about him as I do about Josephine. Except that he doesn't lose agency.

 

And yet Cullen has one, the last minute add on excuse doesn't work there