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[Mihura]

Wow.  It wasn't my intention to kick start that debate.  This probably going to have to be an agree to disagree situation, since we clearly didn't have the same reaction to this romance arc. You're arguments are not invalid, I just did not feel the same when I went through this story, obviously. Different strokes. There are a lot of romance choices is this games and they are not all going to work for everybody.

 

Anyway, romance or no, I'm a pretty big Josie fan.  I hope most of us can agree on that.

 

I am still against NPC romances but I quite like it for my canon Inquisitor. The best romance for me it is still Dorian.

Either way I do love Josephine character and it was a nice change having a diplomat on your team all the time, it helps that I love her character design too. 

[In Exile]

That's... quite the stretch, and I really can't say that it's enough. Especially since Josephine is, once again, a bloody passive recipient. Sometimes it seems like you're romancing a couch, but the worst part is that you make her a couch in the duel scene by cutting off her own work and preferences.

 

I can't see how you would think that's a stretch - the funnest part of sex talk is not being blatant about it.

 

But more to the point I don't think you appreciate Josie's agency. As her entire personal quest proves, she's very big on pushing pieces to do what she wants without her overplaying her hand. Her romance is just a reflection of that personality.

 

To put it differently - and more openly sexual - she's exactly the kind of person who tops from the bottom, except she happens to be subtle about it. 

[In Exile]

The Herald isn't part of the Chantry at all; there's no reason why that would be an issue. And if that's what I meant when I say "marriage," how is the "marriage" that other people want before having sex different?

 

You're talking about marriage: you have to get a sanctioned person to marry you, otherwise it's just two people declaring their exclusivity forever, and no one can stop that. 

 

When I say it's what you mean, I'm referencing the fact that in Thedas, it seems that only Andrastians actually have the formal institution in a way that's accesible to anyone who currently isn't a dwarf in Orzammar. I don't think there's a suggestion the Dalish, for example, marry, in the formal sense, and what dwarves do is clealry tied to their caste system. 

[Han Shot First]

Josephine isn't playersexual. For one she can actually express interest in another character in the game if unromanced (Blackwall), and she mentions on the romance path that were it not for already being involved with the Inquisitor, she would be amenable to the betrothal to Duke Otranto. If the Iron Bull is romanced she also checks out IB when the gang barges in on him & the Inquisitor in the buff.

 

She's bisexual with a slight preference for men, just as Leliana is bisexual with a slight preference for women. 

[Xilizhra]

I can't see how you would think that's a stretch - the funnest part of sex talk is not being blatant about it.

 

But more to the point I don't think you appreciate Josie's agency. As her entire personal quest proves, she's very big on pushing pieces to do what she wants without her overplaying her hand. Her romance is just a reflection of that personality.

 

To put it differently - and more openly sexual - she's exactly the kind of person who tops from the bottom, except she happens to be subtle about it. 

But that's just not what happens; you outright ignore her own preferences and her attempt to resolve the matter peacefully. She has no agency in the duel affair.

 

 

You're talking about marriage: you have to get a sanctioned person to marry you, otherwise it's just two people declaring their exclusivity forever, and no one can stop that. 

 

When I say it's what you mean, I'm referencing the fact that in Thedas, it seems that only Andrastians actually have the formal institution in a way that's accesible to anyone who currently isn't a dwarf in Orzammar. I don't think there's a suggestion the Dalish, for example, marry, in the formal sense, and what dwarves do is clealry tied to their caste system. 

It's implied that the Dalish ether have marriage or something like it with the Cammen/Gheyna business in Origins.

 

 

Josephine isn't playersexual. For one she can actually express interest in another character in the game if unromanced (Blackwall), and she mentions on the romance path that were it not for already being involved with the Inquisitor, she would be amenable to the betrothal to Duke Otranto. If the Iron Bull is romanced she also checks out IB when the gang barges in on him & the Inquisitor in the buff.

 

She's bisexual with a slight preference for men, just as Leliana is bisexual with a slight preference for women. 

What exactly does she say about Blackwall?

[Han Shot First]

 

What exactly does she say about Blackwall?

 

If she and Blackwall are unromanced they'll engage in Courtly Love. 

 

[Xilizhra]

If she and Blackwall are unromanced they'll engage in Courtly Love.

That which is practically defined as not being sexual?

[Han Shot First]

That which is practically defined as not being sexual?

 

Not always..but in this case it does not become sexual.

 

Basically they're interested in each other, but don't go beyond flirting because of class differences.

[In Exile]

But that's just not what happens; you outright ignore her own preferences and her attempt to resolve the matter peacefully. She has no agency in the duel affair.

I'm not talking about the duel. I mean her actual personal quest, with the assassin family.

You do ignore her during the duel - but I think saying she has no agency is a bit over the top. She thinks you'll get absolutely murdered if you try and duel and tells you not to do it because it's stupid. She says it nicely, but that's her meaning. She's going about it diplomatically because she see's that as the only way to get what she wants to get.

Also let's not forget she's right. If the duel were more serious you'd get skewered. The Inquisitor is clearly being toyed with in the duel.

[Han Shot First]

I'm not talking about the duel. I mean her actual personal quest, with the assassin family.

You do ignore her during the duel - but I think saying she has no agency is a bit over the top. She thinks you'll get absolutely murdered if you try and duel and tells you not to do it because it's stupid. She says it nicely, but that's her meaning. She's going about it diplomatically because she see's that as the only way to get what she wants to get.

 

Josephine is also correct from a strategic point of view. The Inquisitor risking himself/herself in a pointless duel is stupid, when he or she is the only one who can close the breach. The decision to challenge Otranto to a duel is an emotional and irrational one.

 

I love the duel, but Josephine is the only one thinking big picture. 

[Xilizhra]

I'm not talking about the duel. I mean her actual personal quest, with the assassin family.

You do ignore her during the duel - but I think saying she has no agency is a bit over the top. She thinks you'll get absolutely murdered if you try and duel and tells you not to do it because it's stupid. She says it nicely, but that's her meaning. She's going about it diplomatically because she see's that as the only way to get what she wants to get.

Also let's not forget she's right. If the duel were more serious you'd get skewered. The Inquisitor is clearly being toyed with in the duel.

Why's it over the top? She has absolutely no ability to exert any control over the way her own romance goes.

 

Also, the Inquisitor not only has (probably) better armor than Otranto, but if you have the underworld knowledge perk, you can actually take the edge by throwing off his concentration.

[AresKeith]

Josephine is also correct from a strategic point of view. The Inquisitor risking himself/herself in a pointless duel is stupid, when he or she is the only one who can close the breach. The decision to challenge Otranto to a duel is an emotional and irrational one.

 

I love the duel, but Josephine is the only one thinking big picture. 

 

Now if the Inquisitor was a parallel Ezio, it would be a different story

[KaiserShep]

Josephine is also correct from a strategic point of view. The Inquisitor risking himself/herself in a pointless duel is stupid, when he or she is the only one who can close the breach. The decision to challenge Otranto to a duel is an emotional and irrational one.

 

I love the duel, but Josephine is the only one thinking big picture. 

 

To be fair, the Inquisitor could be risking him/herself pointlessly by going off to dragon island in the Storm Coast to kill some monster that is fairly out of the way. Lord Toronto ain't no thang by comparison.

[AresKeith]

To be fair, the Inquisitor could be risking him/herself pointlessly by going off to dragon island in the Storm Coast to kill some monster that is fairly out of the way. Lord Toronto ain't no thang by comparison.

 

I saw what you did there

 

But in the duel the Inquisitor is put in a situation they have no experience in, while Otranto does have experience in using rapiers 

[Basement Cat]

I saw what you did there

 

But in the duel the Inquisitor is put in a situation they have no experience in, while Otranto does have experience in using rapiers 

Further: if the Inquisitor went all out and broken out the magic/two hander/twin daggers, it would have been considered cheating and resulted in a PR disaster for the Inquisition.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Further: if the Inquisitor went all out and broken out the magic/two hander/twin daggers, it would have been considered cheating and resulted in a PR disaster for the Inquisition.

 

So are you telling me I can't just blast that fool into another dimension............but but..........

[Han Shot First]

To be fair, the Inquisitor could be risking him/herself pointlessly by going off to dragon island in the Storm Coast to kill some monster that is fairly out of the way. Lord Toronto ain't no thang by comparison.

 

True, but the Inquisitor shouldn't be running off to fight dragons either. In retrospect Josephine probably should have criticized that as well. 

[AresKeith]

True, but the Inquisitor shouldn't be running off to fight dragons either. In retrospect Josephine probably should have criticized that as well. 

 

Would make some fun dialogue if she scolds you for fighting Dragons lol

 

Further: if the Inquisitor went all out and broken out the magic/two hander/twin daggers, it would have been considered cheating and resulted in a PR disaster for the Inquisition.

 

"Inquisition has no honor"

[KaiserShep]

Heir would be ashamed of my Inquisitor not slitting that dandy's throat before he had enough time to finish flapping his gums.

[Han Shot First]

Would make some fun dialogue if she scolds you for fighting Dragons lol

 

 

 

After killing the first dragon...

 

(Sighs) "The Iron Bull is a terrible influence on you."

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Can't my Qunari just grab the dandy's head and rip it off his shoulders?

[KaiserShep]

After killing the first dragon...

 

(Sighs) "The Iron Bull is a terrible influence on you."

 

I do wish that there was more of a response to you wiping out the high dragon population. As far as I can tell, beyond Iron Bull getting the Inquisitor drinks, the only person I've ever heard made a reference to it is Leliana at the war table. Though, I can't say it feels totally lacking. This is probably the first time we've ever really gotten any kind of real response to killing a dragon. I like when you kill the one in Crestwood and Sera and Varric are in the party.

 

Sera: Big heroes, us!

 

Varric: We should get a medal for this.

[CosmicGnosis]

So I'm starting my second playthrough of DA:I, and I want to establish my canon story this time. I romanced Cassandra last time and really enjoyed it, but I'm still very curious about Josephine's romance. As much as I love Cassandra as a character, I still like Josephine a lot, and frankly, she is far more attractive. I've intentionally avoided watching videos of her romance because I don't want to spoil too much of it, so I haven't seen the infamous dueling scene that seems to have upset a number of her fans, leading some to even headcanon it out of existence. But really, is it that bad? Is it that ridiculous? 

 

Also, how much romance content does she have compared to the others? I know she doesn't have a sex scene, and although I do find that disappointing, it's not an absolute deal-breaker for me. It appears that she has two whole quests that are romance-exclusive, so that seems rather substantial. 

[Xilizhra]

So I'm starting my second playthrough of DA:I, and I want to establish my canon story this time. I romanced Cassandra last time and really enjoyed it, but I'm still very curious about Josephine's romance. As much as I love Cassandra as a character, I still like Josephine a lot, and frankly, she is far more attractive. I've intentionally avoided watching videos of her romance because I don't want to spoil too much of it, so I haven't seen the infamous dueling scene that seems to have upset a number of her fans, leading some to even headcanon it out of existence. But really, is it that bad? Is it that ridiculous? 

 

Also, how much romance content does she have compared to the others? I know she doesn't have a sex scene, and although I do find that disappointing, it's not an absolute deal-breaker for me. It appears that she has two whole quests that are romance-exclusive, so that seems rather substantial. 

She has one gift quest and the duel scene; that's it for romance, more or less.

 

And yes, it is that ridiculous.

[AresKeith]

So I'm starting my second playthrough of DA:I, and I want to establish my canon story this time. I romanced Cassandra last time and really enjoyed it, but I'm still very curious about Josephine's romance. As much as I love Cassandra as a character, I still like Josephine a lot, and frankly, she is far more attractive. I've intentionally avoided watching videos of her romance because I don't want to spoil too much of it, so I haven't seen the infamous dueling scene that seems to have upset a number of her fans, leading some to even headcanon it out of existence. But really, is it that bad? Is it that ridiculous? 

 

No it isn't, some don't like it others do