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[Cribbian]

Silly Josie

[Aquarius]

Silly Josie

 

Too bad your Quiz is not a qunari. It would've made sense then.  "Now I can kiss you more comfortably, my love!"   

 

Or alternatively:

 

Adaar, a bit confused: "Why are you standing on your chair? Please don't tell me there is a spider on the floor. I hate spiders."

Josie, smiling: "Of course not, my love. The silly things you say sometimes! I am simply trying to see the world from your perspective, my darling. I must say it is quite illuminating."

Adaar, snickering: "Well, I do like it when you're on top."

[thats1evildude]

Does anyone else feel the urge to vomit? No? 'Tis just me?

https://m.youtube.co...h?v=mdbxTf7ki4E

[Aquarius]

Does anyone else feel the urge to vomit? No? 'Tis just me?

https://m.youtube.co...h?v=mdbxTf7ki4E

 

Sugar overdose can do that to you.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

[Aquarius]

It's really sad to hear that Allegra was bullied for being a nerd. Unfortunately, being passionate about anime/manga or computer games (especially if you're a girl) is still being considered socially weird. I was fortunate that my closest friends shared my passion for games and anime/manga and that our classmates were reasonable and decent enough to leave us be. Others aren't as lucky.

 

Well, I'm happy for Allegra that she turned her hobby into a career as a voice actress and is doing what she loves.   And she's brilliant at it, too.

 

Art by Rosslaye

http://rosslaye.devi...ilyet-491675549

 

Can't wait to see part two. 

[prosthetic soul]

Damnit.  Didn't get my chance to ask her the most important question of all time

 

Spoiler

Why doesn't her character have a sex scene?

 

Disney Princess my arse!  Not in...my headcanon!

[ShadowLordXII]

Damnit.  Didn't get my chance to ask her the most important question of all time

 

Spoiler

Why doesn't her character have a sex scene?

 

Disney Princess my arse!  Not in...my headcanon!

 

Spoiler

Writer preference essentially. The BW writer who made Josephine's story didn't think that it fit her character arc and didn't want to bother with it. Which I can respect even if I disagree with the decision.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Spoiler

Writer preference essentially. The BW writer who made Josephine's story didn't think that it fit her character arc and didn't want to bother with it. Which I can respect even if I disagree with the decision.

It's not that she didn't want to bother with it. It's she wanted to write a romance arc that focused on the romantic aspect of a relationship rather than the sexual aspect. 

[ShadowLordXII]

It's not that she didn't want to bother with it. It's she wanted to write a romance arc that focused on the romantic aspect of a relationship rather than the sexual aspect. 

 

Close enough to the essence of what I said.

 

The Cullen romance arc had a sex scene, but was otherwise completely romance/character focused same with Cassandra.

[thats1evildude]

Which is fair.

Still, some hot ankle action would have been nice. Maybe a glimpse of Josie's knees? A bared shoulder? Mercy, the scandal!

Fanart:

http://yvesse.devian...ilyet-531869113

[Aquarius]

 

It's not that she didn't want to bother with it. It's she wanted to write a romance arc that focused on the romantic aspect of a relationship rather than the sexual aspect. 

 

 

I'm afraid that's not the reason, either. 

 

I wanted to try something different for DA:I – have the intimate moment be earlier, be implied rather than seen, and leave the level of intimacy ambiguous so players could fill in what they wanted. The scene where the Inquisitor kisses Josephine for the first time and the screen fades to black is, to my mind, the first place they may be physically together… or it may just end in a kiss. That part I wanted to be interpreted more by players, not myself.

 

She decided against it because she deliberately wanted to leave the extent of intimacy between the Inquisitor and Josephine ambiguous. If a player interpreted the romance scenes as a prelude to a more intimate endeavor, then that was within the bounds of possibilty. If one chose to have them in a chaste (until marriage?) or even asexual relationship, then that was perfectly fine and possible, too.

 

That is exactly what makes the Josephine romance so beautiful to me. No matter if you're straight or gay or asexual or if you believe in no sex before marriage or if you don't want to play a human protagonist, you can romance Josephine either way and be happy with it. This romance covers a broad spectrum of sexual identities if you choose to interpret it in a certain way.

 

But I can understand that the lack of a visual sex scene - and I want to stress 'visual' because the romance does not exclude this possibility as some people mistakenly claim - can frustrate some players who want to see their favorite couple express their feelings in such a way on-screen. If there had been a sex scene with Josephine, I certainly wouldn't have objected, but the lack of it doesn't bother me which is quite the opposite of my initiate reaction when I learned of this. 

 

So, to conclude my thoughts here, I think that it would've been optimal if they had included an optional sex scene with Josephine so that those who 'needed' it to view the romance as perfect could've done so while those who didn't wish that to happen could ignore the possibility and the romance would continue just like that. 

 

 

Still, some hot ankle action would have been nice. Maybe a glimpse of Josie's knees? A bared shoulder? Mercy, the scandal!

 

There you go, one bared shoulder of our lovely ambassador as ordered.

 

 

Picture found on http://autumn-sacura.tumblr.com/page/5

[Han Shot First]

Josephine isn't the first Bioware character to get an ambiguous romance arc either. The first was Kelly Chambers in Mass Effect 2. Way back when there was a discussion about Kelly Chambers' dinner with Shepard in his/her cabin, and whether or not something more than just dinner was implied. Her writer (Dusty Everman) weighed in and basically said that both sides were right in how they interpreted it, that it was written to be intentionally ambiguous, and that whatever the player thought happened, happened.

 

I'm not a fan of it being left ambiguous personally, but I also don't see it as something that ruins a character's romance arc.

[Aquarius]

Josephine isn't the first Bioware character to get an ambiguous romance arc either. The first was Kelly Chambers in Mass Effect 2. Way back when there was a discussion about Kelly Chambers' dinner with Shepard in his/her cabin, and whether or not something more than just dinner was implied. Her writer (Dusty Everman) weighed in and basically said that both sides were right in how they interpreted it, that it was written to be intentionally ambiguous, and that whatever the player thought happened, happened.

 

I'm not a fan of it being left ambiguous personally, but I also don't see it as something that ruins a character's romance arc.

 

That is true if you acknowledge Kelly to be a romance in the first place. It's a matter of debate whether she is a full-fledged romance or not due to the comparatively little content that is offered. In comparison to Kelly, Josephine has a lot more romance content. But yeah, it was quite ambiguous.

 

What I somewhat find amusing is the fact that in older Bioware games such as KotOR or Jade Empire, a kiss or a fade-to-black were the only thing we'd get. Sex scenes were unthinkable until this was remedied by Mass Effect 1. Well, not without Fox blowing everything out of proportion à la "you get to bang a blue alien chick and see her naked, omg, the XBox should be called SexBox!" in the USA. Here in Europe nobody really cared.

 

So yeah, I guess we are spoiled by the fact that with Mass Effect 1, sex scenes became normal or kind of obligatory, and the lack of one thus feels strange. And I totally agree with you that it's not enough to ruin a romance.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Josephine isn't the first Bioware character to get an ambiguous romance arc either. The first was Kelly Chambers in Mass Effect 2. Way back when there was a discussion about Kelly Chambers' dinner with Shepard in his/her cabin, and whether or not something more than just dinner was implied. Her writer (Dusty Everman) weighed in and basically said that both sides were right in how they interpreted it, that it was written to be intentionally ambiguous, and that whatever the player thought happened, happened.

 

I'm not a fan of it being left ambiguous personally, but I also don't see it as something that ruins a character's romance arc.

I didn't know Kelly's writer actually commented on and confirmed that Kelly's romance is meant to be ambiguous. Yay. Thanks for sharing that.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I’m not totally sure what expression this is. Maybe ‘Inquisitor please stop sliding on the banisters in front of our guests’

http://key-of-zee.tu...what-expression

[Aquarius]

I’m not totally sure what expression this is. Maybe ‘Inquisitor please stop sliding on the banisters in front of our guests’

http://key-of-zee.tu...what-expression

 

"Inquisitor, you are undressing me with your eyes... in front of our guests!" 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Ashe @ GX3 ‏@ladyinsanity

Dan taking over Josephine's cinematic design for Trespasser, asked for insight from previous CD

"Just keep her cute as ****"

#DragonAge

[prosthetic soul]

Whenever writers say they want to leave endings or characters' story arcs ambiguous it basically means they didn't want to bother writing. 

 

That is literally the only conclusion I can come to.  I suppose it wouldn't be so bad if Josephine didn't have the most uneventful, boring romance in the entire game IMHO. That isn't to say I didn't love Josephine's character.  But goddamn her romance put me to SLEEP.

[Aquarius]

Whenever writers say they want to leave endings or characters' story arcs ambiguous it basically means they didn't want to bother writing. 

 

No, it doesn't. You only assume this, that's something different.

 

 

I suppose it wouldn't be so bad if Josephine didn't have the most uneventful, boring romance in the entire game IMHO. That isn't to say I didn't love Josephine's character.  But goddamn her romance put me to SLEEP.

 

I may not share your opinion, but I can see why someone could be bored to death by Josephine's romance arc. It's uncharacteristically cheesy and Disney-ish for Bioware standards. Without headcanon or fanfiction there is little to enjoy for those who dislike such a kind of romance.

 

Speaking of fanfiction: 

 

I must say there are a couple of fantastic angsty fan stories that completely reinvent the romance or ship Josephine with another character entirely without her becoming out of character. Well, at least I think so. And, most interestingly, some of them paint a very different, yet believable picture of Josephine altogether, showing sides of her that do not surface in the game whatsoever - for example Josephine starting a sexually casual relationship with the Inquisitor first and developing romantic feelings for her only later on.

 

What I like most in these fanfics is when the story is told from Josephine's point of view and the reader learns more about what she actually thinks, because Josephine is many times in 'ambassador mode' and not her true self in the game. And while some people believe her to be this innocent Disney princess, I do not believe that she is - well, perhaps an innocent in love like Leliana claims - but certainly not one when it comes to other matters. She plays people, she manipulates them, but it's hard to notice because she is so nice and polite about it. She is shrewd, but no woman of low cunning. I sometimes think that people underestimate her and think of her as this innocent, harmless diplomat who talks a little bit here and writes some letters there, simply because she wields her power so subtly. 

 

And... I'm rambling again.   Well, in short, I would've liked it if we could've seen more sides of her in the game. And kudos to all these talented authors writing brilliant fanfiction!

 

 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I like Josephine's romance arc because it was not like the other romance arc. Compared to Blackwall's lie or Cullen's lyrium addiction or Iron Bull's identity crisis or Solas' true nature or Cassandra's crisis of faith or Dorian's parental issue, Josephine and her romance arc is normal and quite down-to-earth yet rather funny and cheesy.

 

That is good because you don't have to get too hung up on Josephine's romance arc itself. You can focus on being an Inquisitor and doing the important things. You can play the game without being drawn into something like Solavellan Hell or Blacknier Angst or what have you. Think of Josephine's romance as the cherry on top of a cake. Its just there and it doesn't intrude too much on the main contents of the game. Which is a bonus as far as I am concerned.

 

What's more, Josephine's romance is not very demanding. She does not demand to be courted or demand you to not believe in the possibility of Elven dieties. Sure, you go and duel Ontranto but you do that, Josephine never tells you to do it or pushes you to do it. There's also the fact that she actually gives you something back. If you are romancing her, you get to win considerable sums of money in gambling and she takes you out to theater. By contrast, Cassandra doesn't really give you anything but instead demands to be courted and wooed. Solas leaves you forever and will only appear in your dreams.Blackwall gives you nothing.

 

You can construe this as boring and ordinary but here's the reality - Not much drama and angst is not a bad thing. Good, long lasting relationships are typically quite normal and sometimes boring.

[GoldenGail3]

I like Josephine's romance arc because it was not like the other romance arc. Compared to Blackwall's lie or Cullen's lyrium addiction or Iron Bull's identity crisis or Solas' true nature or Cassandra's crisis of faith or Dorian's parental issue, Josephine and her romance arc is normal and quite down-to-earth yet rather funny and cheesy.

That is good because you don't have to get too hung up on Josephine's romance arc itself. You can focus on being an Inquisitor and doing the important things. You can play the game without being drawn into something like Solavellan Hell or Blacknier Angst or what have you. Think of Josephine's romance as the cherry on top of a cake. Its just there and it doesn't intrude too much on the main contents of the game. Which is a bonus as far as I am concerned.

What's more, Josephine's romance is not very demanding. She does not demand to be courted or demand you to not believe in the possibility of Elven dieties. Sure, you go and duel Ontranto but you do that, Josephine never tells you to do it or pushes you to do it. There's also the fact that she actually gives you something back. If you are romancing her, you get to win considerable sums of money in gambling and she takes you out to theater. By contrast, Cassandra doesn't really give you anything but instead demands to be courted and wooed. Solas leaves you forever and will only appear in your dreams.Blackwall gives you nothing.

You can construe this as boring and ordinary but here's the reality - Not much drama and angst is not a bad thing. Good, long lasting relationships are typically quite normal and sometimes boring.

I love Cassandra enough to do her romace twice. And I hate making male characters, but for her I'll make an exception apperately. (I'm so sorry, but I've never romaced Josie ever.... And I've done 2 compete romances, Cullens and Cassandra's.)

[Jukaga]

My new Quizzie is romancing Josie, something I haven't done since my first run through the game back in Nov 2014, I missed her! Easily my favorite LI in DAI, she's just so charming and interesting. She's a perfect match for my Trevalyan, I can't wait for her Trespasser epilogue. (If any pair has even a slight chance at a happy ending it's them. fingers crossed.)

[Hanako Ikezawa]

[LorenzEffect]

I like Josephine's romance arc because it was not like the other romance arc. Compared to Blackwall's lie or Cullen's lyrium addiction or Iron Bull's identity crisis or Solas' true nature or Cassandra's crisis of faith or Dorian's parental issue, Josephine and her romance arc is normal and quite down-to-earth yet rather funny and cheesy.

 

That is good because you don't have to get too hung up on Josephine's romance arc itself. You can focus on being an Inquisitor and doing the important things. You can play the game without being drawn into something like Solavellan Hell or Blacknier Angst or what have you. Think of Josephine's romance as the cherry on top of a cake. Its just there and it doesn't intrude too much on the main contents of the game. Which is a bonus as far as I am concerned.

 

What's more, Josephine's romance is not very demanding. She does not demand to be courted or demand you to not believe in the possibility of Elven dieties. Sure, you go and duel Ontranto but you do that, Josephine never tells you to do it or pushes you to do it. There's also the fact that she actually gives you something back. If you are romancing her, you get to win considerable sums of money in gambling and she takes you out to theater. By contrast, Cassandra doesn't really give you anything but instead demands to be courted and wooed. Solas leaves you forever and will only appear in your dreams.Blackwall gives you nothing.

 

You can construe this as boring and ordinary but here's the reality - Not much drama and angst is not a bad thing. Good, long lasting relationships are typically quite normal and sometimes boring.

This is the sort of thing I wanted in DA2. I played a Hawke who was rather risk-adverse when it came to romance and wanted someone who didn't need "fixing". Sebastian would have suited if only he wasn't as boring as a blank piece of paper. Hawke ended up alone... if only she had known Josephine