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The Official Josephine Montilyet aka 'Scribbles' Thread - The Disney Princess of Dragon Age!


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As a bard Leliana probably attended quite a few parties in her time, perhaps she and Josephine became friends through their mutual obligations to the game?

Josephine isn't Orlesian thankfully. Antiva doesn't have The Game, so while Josephine is obviously well versed in political games she would have no reason to participate in The Game.

While Josephine isn't part of The Grand Game, I wouldn't doubt that she has studied it intensively so as to have the advantage when having to deal with Orlais. 

 

But I think they either met as kids(would be so cute. Still want fanart of this.) or after Leliana has become an agent for the Divine. They could have bumped into each other during Leliana's spy days though. 

 

I bet the game will tell us for certain when they met. 



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I'd be cool with this....So cool with this....


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Her accents aren't that good. I'd prefer BioWare use an actual Spanish speaker.

Or Italian....


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Or Italian....

That would be interesting, actually. It'd be like how Merrill was set apart from the other Dalish by having a Welsh accent instead of an Irish one. 



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While Josephine isn't part of The Grand Game, I wouldn't doubt that she has studied it intensively so as to have the advantage when having to deal with Orlais. 

 

But I think they either met as kids(would be so cute. Still want fanart of this.) or after Leliana has become an agent for the Divine. They could have bumped into each other during Leliana's spy days though. 

 

I bet the game will tell us for certain when they met. 

 

I would argue that not playing the game is an advantage when dealing with Orlais, you wouldn't be reduced to stupid actions.  Understanding political machinations is one thing, The Game is a whole other level of crazy.



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I would argue that not playing the game is an advantage when dealing with Orlais, you wouldn't be reduced to stupid actions.  Understanding political machinations is one thing, The Game is a whole other level of crazy.

Oh, I agree. And I think she is this going by the interview. 

 

[DA]: As a noblewoman, she seems to bring a different set of skills to the Inquisition. What is her primary area of expertise?

 

[SF]: Diplomacy. Josephine has worked for years as an ambassador in the royal courts in Thedas. She’s very familiar with Orlesian politics, which comes in handy. She’s an excellent mediator and speaker. Crucially, she knows just how hard it can be to change people’s minds, and how much someone’s ego is tangled up in being “right”. Josephine prefers to gently steer people into agreement whenever possible, but she’ll take a stand when needed. There’s occasionally an iron fist beneath that velvet glove.

 

So she knows all the ins and outs of the Grand Game without actually having to be involved due to needing to be neutral since she is an ambassador. 



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Oh, I agree. And I think she is this going by the interview. 

 

[DA]: As a noblewoman, she seems to bring a different set of skills to the Inquisition. What is her primary area of expertise?

 

[SF]: Diplomacy. Josephine has worked for years as an ambassador in the royal courts in Thedas. She’s very familiar with Orlesian politics, which comes in handy. She’s an excellent mediator and speaker. Crucially, she knows just how hard it can be to change people’s minds, and how much someone’s ego is tangled up in being “right”. Josephine prefers to gently steer people into agreement whenever possible, but she’ll take a stand when needed. There’s occasionally an iron fist beneath that velvet glove.

 

So she knows all the ins and outs of the Grand Game without actually having to be involved due to needing to be neutral since she is an ambassador. 

Where do you get the idea that Antiva doesn't have the Game? The fact that it's home to the Crows tells a different story. The Crows are basically the same as Bards. 



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Where do you get the idea that Antiva doesn't have the Game? The fact that it's home to the Crows tells a different story. The Crows are basically the same as Bards. 

Because the Grand Game is Orlais' thing. It's what makes Orlais distinct compared to the other nations' nobility. 



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Because the Grand Game is Orlais' thing. It's what makes Orlais distinct compared to the other nations' nobility. 

Political maneuvering and intrigue is hardly exclusive to Orlais. In Origins, Arle Howe does plenty of that. Antiva has its own system too, no doubt. The difference is that Orlais openly admits it. 



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Where do you get the idea that Antiva doesn't have the Game? The fact that it's home to the Crows tells a different story. The Crows are basically the same as Bards. 

 

I get the feeling that the "game" played in Antiva isn't the same as the Grand Game of Orlais itself.

The Crows are career assassins. Everyone is pretty blunt on that point in Antiva, considering they're a political force in their own right. The Crows are paid, the target is killed, the assassin cleans the blood off his boots, and we all move on with our day. Killing people on contract is what the Crows DO.

In Orlais, bards are hired as well, but they're not killers per say. They are sent to spy, to influence, to entertain. Even if every noble in Orlais is aware of what bards do, how dangerous they can be, they're working under the assumption that more is going on than an attempt on their life. The fun in the Game is uncertainty; having to keep your wits about you, read every subtle cue, figure out whether the bard means to to kill you in your sleep or just glean information. You have to outwit the person trained to outwit YOU. Also, it's rarely a bard's main objective to kill a specific target, their jobs are a little more subterfuge-oriented.

Anyway, my point is that while the two read similarly, The Grand Game is the far more complicated, developed, and intricate of the two(and SILLY. Oh so silly.). It has rules, and etiquette, and is played like a game. Antivan Crows, on the other hand, are not toys of the nobility in the way that bards are.

So our darling Josephine may have an understanding of the Game from observation and experience, but if she ever did play a game in Antiva, it was on a much lower level than anything the Grand Game can dish out.

 

Political maneuvering and intrigue is hardly exclusive to Orlais. In Origins, Arle Howe does plenty of that. Antiva has its own system too, no doubt. The difference is that Orlais openly admits it. 

 

It's true that political machinations of this sort happen everywhere in Thedas, from Orzammar to Tevinter, and in that regard Orlais is hardly unique. The Grand Game, however, is a system of political intrigue that is unique to Orlais, developed over ages, openly practiced, with an unspoken set of rules and etiquette to be followed. Other countries may play at politics if they wish, but Orlais has made a bona fide GAME of it. Nowhere else is their particular brand of insanity practiced.

Think "The Court of Louis XIV" on steroids. Er, with maybe a tad more murder involved. And less of that whole "Lady-In-Waiting-Assigned-To-Remove-The-Queen's-Undergarments" thing.


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It's true that political machinations of this sort happen everywhere in Thedas, from Orzammar to Tevinter, and in that regard Orlais is hardly unique. The Grand Game, however, is a system of political intrigue that is unique to Orlais, developed over ages, openly practiced, with an unspoken set of rules and etiquette to be followed. Other countries may play at politics if they wish, but Orlais has made a bona fide GAME of it. Nowhere else is their particular brand of insanity practiced.

Fair point. It's kinda funny though, considering that Orlais and Antiva are France and Italy respectively. In real life, it was the other way around when it came to the Game. Machiavelli, anyone? But oh well, we'll see how that translates into gameplay.


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Political maneuvering and intrigue is hardly exclusive to Orlais. In Origins, Arle Howe does plenty of that. Antiva has its own system too, no doubt. The difference is that Orlais openly admits it. 

I meant more like how every human nation has a certain unique flavor to their governments. 

 

Anderfels: Effectively under martial law with the Wardens being the main power.

Antiva: Effectively a plutocracy with the Merchant Princes/Princesses being the main power. 

Ferelden: Pseudo-democracy with things like the Landsmeet. 

Free Marches: A confederacy of city-states. 

Nevarra: Warrior-based dynasties. 

Orlais: The Grand Game. 

Rivain: Collectivism. 

Tevinter: Magister-ruled. 


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I meant more like how every human nation has a certain unique flavor to their governments. 

 

Ferelden: Pseudo-democracy with things like the Landsmeet. 

They are more of an elective monarchy. The electors are the aristocracy. A democracy would be a ruler from the people, chosen by the people.


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#5939
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They are more of an elective monarchy. The electors are the aristocracy. A democracy would be a ruler from the people, chosen by the people.

 

Also only landowners have political influence in Ferelden's government. The kings and queens have to court the nobility who in turn have to court the freeholders.  It is egalitarian compared to Orlais, where only the royals and nobility have a say in how the country is run, but it isn't exactly democratic either. The urban poor and rural serfs would be just as disenfranchised as in other nations since they don't own land, and in Ferelden the nobility only has to answer to their client freeholders (land owners).


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You forgot the "Conducted by John Williams" part. :P

How could I forget him? Great, now I have to get my choir nerd card back. 



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Also only landowners have political influence in Ferelden's government. The kings and queens have to court the nobility who in turn have to court the freeholders.  It is egalitarian compared to Orlais, where only the royals and nobility have a say in how the country is run, but it isn't exactly democratic either. The urban poor and rural serfs would be just as disenfranchised as in other nations since they don't own land, and in Ferelden the nobility only has to answer to their client freeholders (land owners).

Now I wish we got a peasant revolt on top of everything else. Civil war in Orlais, fragmented church, rogue Templars, rebelling mages... We definitely need the people to voice their complaints against their incompetent rulers so the Inquisition can step in and clean things up. Peasant revolts were surprisingly common in the middle ages and later.



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Now I wish we got a peasant revolt on top of everything else. Civil war in Orlais, fragmented church, rogue Templars, rebelling mages... We definitely need the people to voice their complaints against their incompetent rulers so the Inquisition can step in and clean things up. Peasant revolts were surprisingly common in the middle ages and later.

 

We sort of got one in Awakening, though it was being stirred up by rival nobles. Speaking of which, one of the advisers (Garavel?) had a great line in response to that little uprising. "You don't coddle a mob, you put it down!"

 

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We sort of got one in Awakening, though it was being stirred up by rival nobles. Speaking of which, one of the advisers (Garavel?) had a great line in response to that little uprising. "You don't coddle a mob, you put it down!"

 

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Yup. Good old Garavel was always the one that came up with solutions like that.

 

"Kill the deserter!"

 

"Put down the mob!"

 

"Burn Amaranthine!"


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*drools*

 

Second best picture in this thread! Well done to the artist!



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I would call Fereldan a feudal Monarchy. A King or Queen rules, but they have no backing unless the nobles of each given region give them support. Usually we think monarchy and we think complete ruler by inheriting, but it wasn't until really cardinal Richelieu played Frances nobles against each other that we started getting monarchs who were powerful outside of the nobles that swore their alliegiance



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I don't think Ferelden has serfdom



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That would be interesting, actually. It'd be like how Merrill was set apart from the other Dalish by having a Welsh accent instead of an Irish one. 

Well, I mean Antiva is based(very loosely) on medieval Italy while Rivain is based(once again loosely) on medieval Spain. i mean the mafia was around during the 1400s and that is what the crows are loosely based off of as well.



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Also, monarchies changed over time. Some started elective and became hereditary, then moved back and forth. The Roman empire is a good example of such a shift.



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Emperors and Kings are slightly different, but to some extent most certainly, although without a long term basis for that right, the Roman Emperors were killed off at a very alarming speed to other countries. Serfdom isn't necessary for a feudal Monarchy. But we have seen Nobles own land, and an area which they are not voted in for. Arl Eamon is a good guy, but it seems as if Redcliffe are his vassals if nothing else.(of course fantasy is always more loose with politics, which is a good thing in my opinion)



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Fair point. It's kinda funny though, considering that Orlais and Antiva are France and Italy respectively. In real life

I always viewed Antiva as being Spain myself.