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[Herr Uhl]

It kind of reminds me of Mass Effect 2. You are working with Cerberus, but you can be opposed to Cerberus' will. Same here. Chantry funds you and gives you troops and connections, but you don't spread the Chant.

"In the chaos surrounding the beginning of the game, you're reforming the inquistion. Not as part of the church, not as part of the chantry. You actually stand apart from it, in fact based on these events actually in opposition to it".
-Mark Darrah

Video here

About 12 seconds into the video. You're not part of the chantry. They've been stressing this ever since the title was announced pretty much.

[Mistic]

It kind of reminds me of Mass Effect 2. You are working with Cerberus, but you can be opposed to Cerberus' will. Same here. Chantry funds you and gives you troops and connections, but you don't spread the Chant. 

 

I think they want to avoid the Cerberus thing. What happened in ME2 was pretty straightforward: "work for Cerberus. And don't complain until the last mission in the game!". More options to complain would have been welcome, seeing that working for them was unavoidable. But what has been said until now doesn't mean that our choices won't benefit the Chantry in the end. Let's take DA:O and apply the quotes for Inquisition:

 

-"You're using your position and some of the things you do very early in the game to allow you to lead the Grey Wardens" (because you're one of the last two survivors and the other warden doesn't want the responsibility)

-"You lead them in opposition to the will of the Kingdom of Ferelden" (true, since Loghain is the official regent and Anora is the queen)

-"You're not a puppet of the king or anything like that" (the other way around: Loghain accuses Alistair of being the Warden's puppet)

-"If anything, you're the upstart rebel" (the Wardens become outlawed and take part in the civil war)

 

It fits, doesn't it? But in the end you saved Ferelden and, if the Warden survived, he or she became a feudal lord in the kingdom in the name of the Grey Wardens. Who's to say that the same or something similar can't happen in Inquisition?

 

For example, let's suppose that the Divine dies and her succesors are fighting for the throne. Then it would make sense for people like Leliana or Cassandra to follow the Inquisitor to save the world. Heck, as far as we know, Divine Justinia could have come up with the plan of resurrecting the Inquisition (she has been portrayed as very unorthodox), but the rest of the Grand Clerics wouldn't like the idea and try to put obstacles to the new Inquisition. Thus, it would be explained why people from the Chantry are present, why the current Chantry opposes and why in the end nothing of importance would change.

[WildOrchid]

I really cannot wait to see Leli again, i've missed her so much and the appearances she made in DA2 weren't enough for me. I think she'll have a big role in the game.

[Xilizhra]

If she appears again, I want to know why she abandoned my Warden.

 

I also suspect that the Chantry will lie in ruins and that the Inquisition will be bolstered by Cassandra and Leliana as, even if it's not sympathetic to the Chantry, it's the last hope for some kind of peace.

[Wolfen09]

Leliana will probably represent the chantry, cullen will represent the templars, and rhys, if hes not a companion, will represent the mages all in advisory rolls...

[Gervaise]

Since the original Inquisition was totally independent of the Chantry until they agreed to become part of it, it seems appropriate enough that the new one should be as well.   In Asunder the Divine placed herself in a very compromising position with regard to the mages and so she would not wish to be seen openly associating with an organisation that could even be led by a mage, even if she secretly approves of it, hence the need for Lelianna.    Whilst Justina is the Divine, she is only one person and if assassinated, as was attempted in Asunder, then the rule of the Chantry would fall to another Grand Cleric, who might well be more orthodox in outlook to Justina.   I would imagine that the hard line approach to a new organisation totally independent of the Chantry would be censure.   Obviously if the leader of the Inquisition appeared to be following the orthodox line with regard to Chantry teaching, then it might be looked upon more favourably.   The fact is though that it doesn't really matter what the Divine or anyone else in the Chantry thinks since their military arm has also asserted their independence, so they do not have the resources to enforce their will on anyone.   That said, I would have thought the Inquisition would be seen as more in opposition to the Templars, since they have broken away from the Chantry and the Inquisition was the title of their order before they were brought into the Chantry fold.

[Rel Fexive]

I'd forgotten how lovely her voice is....  I look forward to hearing more from her

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If she appears again, I want to know why she abandoned my Warden.

 

I also suspect that the Chantry will lie in ruins and that the Inquisition will be bolstered by Cassandra and Leliana as, even if it's not sympathetic to the Chantry, it's the last hope for some kind of peace.

The Warden abandoned her. 

[Milan92]

I would love to see Leliana again, but I don't want her as a companion or LI again. She'll probably be some sort of advisor.

 

Leliana: "I suggest this, you're eminence."

 

Inquistor: "Its too risky."

 

Leliana: "Then maybe this?"

 

Inquisitor: "It would upset the balance, we can't have that!"

 

Leliana: "*sight* Then what about this?"

 

Inquisitor: "It would anger the nobility, probably, most likely!"

 

Leliana: "*groan* You're an impossible person to dress."

[Warden Nick]

I would love to see Leliana again, but I don't want her as a companion or LI again. She'll probably be some sort of advisor.

 

Leliana: "I suggest this, you're eminence."

 

Inquistor: "Its too risky."

 

Leliana: "Then maybe this?"

 

Inquisitor: "It would upset the balance, we can't have that!"

 

Leliana: "*sight* Then what about this?"

 

Inquisitor: "It would anger the nobility, probably, most likely!"

 

Leliana: "*groan* You're an impossible person to dress."

Leliana set up in the role of Inquisitors fashion advisor. Semi-confirmed rumor

[LobselVith8]

The Warden abandoned her.

Technically, Leliana joined Divine Justinia V before that.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Technically, Leliana joined Divine Justinia V before that.

Joining something isn't abandoning. They just were in a long distance relationship.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Joining something isn't abandoning. They just were in a long distance relationship.

Yes and my warden was flirting with kaitlyn mahaha and who will say that long distance relationships are bad?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yes and my warden was flirting with kaitlyn mahaha and who will say that long distance relationships are bad?

Nobody says long distance relationships are bad. Being unfaithful as you were though most people would say is bad.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Nobody says long distance relationships are bad. Being unfaithful as you were though most people would say is bad.

Well there is stereotype that long term relationships are bad perhaps true perhaps not.

 

To be honest not everyone see cheating as bad for example Isabela and leliana is bard you can't cheat on bard hm? 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well there is stereotype that long term relationships are bad perhaps true perhaps not.

 

To be honest not everyone see cheating as bad for example Isabela and leliana is bard you can't cheat on bard hm? 

The stereotype is long distance relationships don't work, not that they're bad.

 

Notice I said most, not all. And yes, you can cheat on a bard. Especially when that bard loves you as Leliana does.

[Han Shot First]

I actually wouldn't mind if a relationship between the Warden and Leliana was canonically over. While my Cousland Warden was morally good overall (saved Connor, peaceful solution between Elves and werewolves, ect), he was also was a bit of an entitled noble. While his main motivation might have been vengeance for his slain family, he also desired the political power and fiefdom that success in the Civil War would have brought him, and did not have any qualms about romancing Leliana and Morrigan simultaneously. He is a Cousland after all, and why should he feel ashamed to love two women? The rules that govern the small folk don't govern him. 

 

So for that particular Warden, it perhaps makes sense for Leliana to move on. I might actually prefer if Bioware went that route. My Warden desired power in Ferelden rather than the life on the road that the bard seemed to want, and while his feelings for her were genuine, he also isn't very monogamous.

 

Hawke on the other hand I played as completely and solely devoted to Isabela, who by the way, had also slept with the Warden. (with Leliana)

[Nefla]

I wish she was in it as little as possible but I know that's not going to happen since she's the Liara/Wesley Crusher of the series.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The stereotype is long distance relationships don't work, not that they're bad.

 

Notice I said most, not all. And yes, you can cheat on a bard. Especially when that bard loves you as Leliana does.

Well which pretty means that they are bad well unless you seek for short-term relationship then it may be good

 

Nah that would be hypocrisy on her side you can even point that to her that shuts her very fast it is even more true if she is hardened.Besides how do you knows who she loves and how much she loves someone?

[LobselVith8]

I wish she was in it as little as possible but I know that's not going to happen since she's the Liara/Wesley Crusher of the series.

It's strange she was brought back to life, when her cameo in Dragon Age II wasn't necessary; an alternate character could have filled the role if she died.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It's strange she was brought back to life, when her cameo in Dragon Age II wasn't necessary; an alternate character could have filled the role if she died.

Gaider sais her role in the story wasn't over yet.

[Han Shot First]

Gaider sais her role in the story wasn't over yet.

 

Even so, I do think it is a bad idea to resurrect characters the player could have killed.

 

If there were plans for Leliana beyond DA:O she should have been given plot armor. Or alternatively, she can die, but in her absence another character would fill the same role in DA2.

[LobselVith8]

Gaider sais her role in the story wasn't over yet.

I'm aware, but I still don't see why it mandated a resurrection for players who killed her, especially in two scenes that could've been filled by a different character entirely for players who killed her.

Picking and choosing to handwave certain outcomes is odd for a franchise that imports our world and choices.

[The Red God]

If she does come back I'm going to go through every choice I can till I can gut her like a fish. My aeducan decapitated her in the urn of sacred ashes quest and then she magically is allowed back into DA 2 ? Crossing my fingers that her head can roll again after meeting the axe of my dwarf.

[Mr.House]

Gaider sais her role in the story wasn't over yet.

Then you plan ahead, you don't let the character have the option to die then revive them. That's horrible planning and writing.