Then you plan ahead, you don't let the character have the option to diet hen revive them. That's horrible planning and writing.
I agree, although I believe when making Origins they didn't know whether they'd make future DA games, hence the epilogue slides being reduced from facts to rumors.
That said, at least her survival is believable since it happens in the Urn of Sacred Ashes chamber.
I agree, although I believe when making Origins they didn't know whether they'd make future DA games, hence the epilogue slides being reduced from facts to rumors.
That said, at least her survival is believable since it happens in the Urn of Sacred Ashes chamber.
Well wynne can die there and she stays dead so rather weak excuse not mention destroying ashes and well i doubt that it "cures" death.So even cheap i was pretending to be death (despite that warden can be mage and should rather be smart in killing someone) but it would be as well another idiot ball like in oghren and morrigan kill case for sake plot...
now i rly hope i can kill her for good same with morrigan and flemeth...
Well wynne can die there and she stays dead so rather weak excuse not mention destroying ashes and well i doubt that it "cures" death.So even cheap i was pretending to be death (despite that warden can be mage and should rather be smart in killing someone) but it would be as well another idiot ball like in oghren and morrigan kill case for sake plot...
now i rly hope i can kill her for good same with morrigan and flemeth...
How do you know Wynne stays dead?
How do you know Wynne stays dead?
In every case she shows up in daa even if you destroyed ashes (if she was alive but left) then she shows up if you destroyed ashes she is well agnry but still is there.If you killed her in circle or in ashes chamber she is no in daa.
I definitely want to see a lot more of Leliana, she was the best character in DAO, and she's just a lot of fun to have around. I'd like to be able to make her the new head of the Chantry, so not only will she be in all future games, but in a meaningful role. I definitely think that if she didn't romance the Warden she should be a romance option as well, if she did then she should probably turn the Inquisitor down. But then again. so long as she's an LI then I wouldn't really be upset if they just say the Warden died (or was just thought to be dead) , and that's why she's able to move on to the Inquisitor regardless of what happened in the past. Either way works for me, the bottom line is the more Leliana the better 
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I actually wouldn't mind if a relationship between the Warden and Leliana was canonically over. While my Cousland Warden was morally good overall (saved Connor, peaceful solution between Elves and werewolves, ect), he was also was a bit of an entitled noble. While his main motivation might have been vengeance for his slain family, he also desired the political power and fiefdom that success in the Civil War would have brought him, and did not have any qualms about romancing Leliana and Morrigan simultaneously. He is a Cousland after all, and why should he feel ashamed to love two women? The rules that govern the small folk don't govern him.
So for that particular Warden, it perhaps makes sense for Leliana to move on. I might actually prefer if Bioware went that route. My Warden desired power in Ferelden rather than the life on the road that the bard seemed to want, and while his feelings for her were genuine, he also isn't very monogamous.
Hawke on the other hand I played as completely and solely devoted to Isabela, who by the way, had also slept with the Warden. (with Leliana)
But that simply doesn't work for those Wardens who did want monogamy, unfortunately. Which mine rather did.
I think it's just simpler that if she were to be romancible in a sense that those who import a save where the warden romance her can not and those who import a save that did not romance her as a warden can. So if you want to romance her simply don't import a save where she was previously romanced... (thats how I see it)
Now to be honest it wouldn't bother me if Leliana where to have a fling with the inquisitor (and only if the dialogue was handled well)... but a serious romance would bother me.
Or maybe there will be some kind of monogamy check on the keep next to the romances 
Hm...
She is one of the characters I like dearly (also I absolutely despise, that she is so doctrinal and/or dogmatic, when it comes to the chantry at least, you can't convince her that the chantry does things that are wrong, too - like, for me at least, locking up and demonizing mages and being against the Dalish (the have their templars hunt their keepers/firsts etc.) amongst many other things)
Also I absolutely hate, that she has this plot-armor in DA:O (you can "kill" her, but she walks around like nothing happened in DA2...very dissapointing, also I only killed her once (and reloaded afterwards, I never consider tainting the ashes canon - even taking into account, that all my characters do not have much love for the chantry and the blasted maker (who is a sadist IMHO - at least if the chantry is right, that he created the darkspawn (note: Corypheus says the city was already tainted when the magisters came, so they didn't taint it - it's believable, after all, the guy is an eye-witness!)
on the other hand, I would love to have her return (but: I absolutely want to be able to talk her out of being a chantry-dog on a freakin' leash...hell, she lived the high-live as a bard, how can somebody who broke many laws and did that many frowned upon (or even forbidden) things be such a staunch believer who will ignore (or just not discuss!) evidence that contradict her faith?)
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They didn't retcon or rewrite her being alive if you "killed" her, it was 100% intentional that she's alive according to Gaider and he's said it numerous times already. There is an explanation to why she's alive and she will react to you "killing" her in DAI but if you're expecting her to be dead that's not going to happen.
They had a plan for the overall series that started before DAO ended and everything from there on was planned out, which will continue for a good while before they're done their story arc.
Not sure why people keep making a big deal about this or saying it's a retcon, they had a plan for her the mistake was either giving us the option to kill her or not bothering to explain why she is still alive.
As for Wynne she will stay dead but her spirt may be another matter entirely just like the situation with Anders.
How improbable is it for the guardian of the gauntlet to revive her with the ashes?
Just trying to brainstorm how the writers will handle the retcon.Considering the Guardian is dead...
No, Leliana was intended to be dead. Once killed, she's a corpse, her codex reads that she's dead, and the internal game files even read that she's died. Her being alive in Dragon Age II qualifies as a recton because it changes the previously established narrative of her death, for players who killed her.
People address it because handwaving our choices is problematic when our decisions are supposed to have meaning, and be carried over into future games.
Well, anyone who defiles the ashes deserve their choices being retconned anyway.
She was fine. She just used Feign Death then healed herself with the ashes.
I fully expect that her whole 'the Maker was talking to me' thing will pull back to reveal she is Andraste reincarnate or some such. If it was anyone else the retcon death would bother me (I guess Oghren had a similar situation?) but Leliana has a background with the Maker/religion/things that are inherently unexplainable. So I'm pretty ok with it. I would like to see them address it though...assuming she even remembers it though. But the Inquisitor wouldn't know so...idk Morrigan could be confused to see her I guess.
I fully expect that her whole 'the Maker was talking to me' thing will pull back to reveal she is Andraste reincarnate or some such. If it was anyone else the retcon death would bother me (I guess Oghren had a similar situation?) but Leliana has a background with the Maker/religion/things that are inherently unexplainable. So I'm pretty ok with it. I would like to see them address it though...assuming she even remembers it though. But the Inquisitor wouldn't know so...idk Morrigan could be confused to see her I guess.
I think the problem is there was nothing ambiguous in her death that would suggest she could have survived,there was also no urgency to leave the scene so the Warden had ample time to double check if shes really dead,also makes the whole choice kind of feel pointless.
To me personally her survival is akin to it being revealed that Robb Stark has survived the Red Wedding
Wow! Hinata that video is really nice. I never kill her so i didn't know what it would say.
Wow! Hinata that video is really nice. I never kill her so i didn't know what it would say.
You're welcome.
I think the problem is there was nothing ambiguous in her death that would suggest she could have survived,there was also no urgency to leave the scene so the Warden had ample time to double check if shes really dead,also makes the whole choice kind of feel pointless.
To me personally her survival is akin to it being revealed that Robb Stark has survived the Red Wedding
I haven't read the series, but why would that be so horrible?
I haven't read the series, but why would that be so horrible?
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I don't think it's an accurate analogy, however. The fans who argue that Leliana was decapitated and so could not return are being extremely pedantic, in my opinion. I don't think her resurrection is especially unusual - as others have pointed out she could have easily used Feign Death. Even if she did in fact die, she was right next to the Ashes. Isn't it possible there were a few specks on the floor which healed her?
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I don't think it's an accurate analogy, however. The fans who argue that Leliana was decapitated and so could not return are being extremely pedantic, in my opinion. I don't think her resurrection is especially unusual - as others have pointed out she could have easily used Feign Death. Even if she did in fact die, she was right next to the Ashes. Isn't it possible there were a few specks on the floor which healed her?
The "I decapitated her" ones are interesting. I've decapitated Loghain in our duels and yet seconds later he has it on his shoulders again. Simple gameplay-story segregation.
The "I decapitated her" ones are interesting. I've decapitated Loghain in our duels and yet seconds later he has it on his shoulders again. Simple gameplay-story segregation.
I know right?I thought that my warden killed him during the duel,but there he was standing with his head back on...It was creepy!
For me the problem is more how Bioware has handled the retacon more than the fact that they did it. I think people are more than justified to be upset that a "choice matters" game would have one of your choices hand waved away. However if Bioware had just come out and said "yes we didn't think that through and decided after the fact that we wanted to keep her" I would be fine with it. But instead we get comments like. "They are our characters we can do what we want with them" (that is just a lump summary of things I have read not a quote)
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