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LobselVith8

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I don't think it's an accurate analogy, however. The fans who argue that Leliana was decapitated and so could not return are being extremely pedantic, in my opinion. I don't think her resurrection is especially unusual - as others have pointed out she could have easily used Feign Death. Even if she did in fact die, she was right next to the Ashes. Isn't it possible there were a few specks on the floor which healed her?


I always saw it as an analogy to how someone who died (to the point it's referenced in her codex entry) has come back to life, although I don't think it's unfair to address that killing someone with a sword, daggers, or magic would entail doing bodily harm to the person. It's not as though the handwaving is limited to Leliana, of course - Oghren and Anders both come back from the dead as well. I'm also not sure why you point out the game mechanic of decapitation, but then reference another game mechanic as a means of her evading death.

Also, the Urn with the ashes have dragon blood poured into them, which is what causes the Guardian and the two companions to attack The Warden. It's also not an issue of the plausibility of her resurrection, but undoing the consequence of an action that some players have taken.

Then again, I didn't kill any companions on my canon run, so it's not really a personal issue for me. I do sympathize, however, given the recton with the Magi Boon, as well as the consequences with Cullen and Orzammar that were also handwaved as a result.

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I always saw it as an analogy to how someone who died (to the point it's referenced in her codex entry) has come back to life, although I don't think it's unfair to address that killing someone with a sword, daggers, or magic would entail doing bodily harm to the person. It's not as though the handwaving is limited to Leliana, of course - Oghren and Anders both come back from the dead as well. I'm also not sure why you point out the game mechanic of decapitation, but then reference another game mechanic as a means of her evading death.

Also, the Urn with the ashes have dragon blood poured into them, which is what causes the Guardian and the two companions to attack The Warden. It's also not an issue of the plausibility of her resurrection, but undoing the consequence of an action that some players have taken.

Then again, I didn't kill any companions on my canon run, so it's not really a personal issue for me. I do sympathize, however, given the recton with the Magi Boon, as well as the consequences with Cullen and Orzammar that were also handwaved as a result.

If the Maker revived her, he's clearly not bound by the physics of the Ashes existing anyway. If it wasn't the Ashes itself, but the huge lyrium vein in the mountain that gave the ashes their healing powers, that would be unaffected by the dragon blood. Either way, it doesn't sound like we'll get a clear answer to the question ever.



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If the Maker revived her, he's clearly not bound by the physics of the Ashes existing anyway. If it wasn't the Ashes itself, but the huge lyrium vein in the mountain that gave the ashes their healing powers, that would be unaffected by the dragon blood. Either way, it doesn't sound like we'll get a clear answer to the question ever.


Leliana could also be possessed by a spirit in that scenario, in the same way Wynne or Anders was.

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Leliana could also be possessed by a spirit in that scenario, in the same way Wynne or Anders was.

yeah well. you see body of Kristoff or Wynne is more or less intact. When body of Leliana can be pretty much headless or with ruptured chest cavity(in my case).

Also example of Anders... mmm Anders was alive when he did what he did.



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I always saw it as an analogy to how someone who died (to the point it's referenced in her codex entry) has come back to life, although I don't think it's unfair to address that killing someone with a sword, daggers, or magic would entail doing bodily harm to the person. It's not as though the handwaving is limited to Leliana, of course - Oghren and Anders both come back from the dead as well. I'm also not sure why you point out the game mechanic of decapitation, but then reference another game mechanic as a means of her evading death.

Also, the Urn with the ashes have dragon blood poured into them, which is what causes the Guardian and the two companions to attack The Warden. It's also not an issue of the plausibility of her resurrection, but undoing the consequence of an action that some players have taken.

Then again, I didn't kill any companions on my canon run, so it's not really a personal issue for me. I do sympathize, however, given the recton with the Magi Boon, as well as the consequences with Cullen and Orzammar that were also handwaved as a result.

 

In regard to the decapitation/feign death issue, the mechanics are vastly different. Beheading a character was an action the player had no control over and appeared to exist in the game simply for cinematic purposes, feign death was a triggerable ability that it would seem reasonable to use for story purposes in the same way Wynne called forth the Spirit in Asunder. Perhaps I should have simply said, "Leliana could have feigned her death" since explicit reference to the ability seems to be the problem here. 

 

Your other points I agree with.