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[The Elder King]

Ummm, which one? I've lost track of all the crap I have been posting lol

The one about Celene receiving a red crystal.

[TK514]

Indeed. And I wonder how they'd incorporate his dominion of choices in dialogues with him. I'm excited.

 

Perhaps he offers his aid at one of the either/or points.  Just a hypothetical example, mind you, but something like:  "I offer you the chance to save the village or the keep, but not both.  Now you must choose."  And, of course, while you're saving one, he's destroying the other so the choice has meaning.

[LobselVith8]

I really hope that Felassen isn't really dead for whatever reason. I love his viewpoint.

 

Felassan may be tranquil, since he was apparently killed in the Beyond (similar to how Feynriel can be made tranquil). I suppose it may be possible to speak to him as he is, or even cure him, now that tranquility can be reversed.

[Senya]

Perhaps he offers his aid at one of the either/or points.  Just a hypothetical example, mind you, but something like:  "I offer you the chance to save the village or the keep, but not both.  Now you must choose."  And, of course, while you're saving one, he's destroying the other so the choice has meaning.

In that case, couldn't you shove a sword of mercy through his heart to save both?

[Sir JK]

Perhaps he offers his aid at one of the either/or points.  Just a hypothetical example, mind you, but something like:  "I offer you the chance to save the village or the keep, but not both.  Now you must choose."  And, of course, while you're saving one, he's destroying the other so the choice has meaning.

 

Now you're making him sound like a thinly veiled jab at us fans

[Hellion Rex]

The one about Celene receiving a red crystal.

Yeah, I was just brainstorming a tad about the eluvian matrix gem thing.

[Hellion Rex]

Felassan may be tranquil, since he was apparently killed in the Beyond (similar to how Feynriel can be made tranquil). I suppose it may be possible to speak to him as he is, or even cure him, now that tranquility can be reversed.

I somehow had gotten the sense that what killed him in the Fade was well and truly final, and that he did truly died.

[TK514]

Now you're making him sound like a thinly veiled jab at us fans

 

Not intentional.    That was just the impression I got from his dialog.

[Xilizhra]

 I apologize, Xil.  It was not my intention to further upset you or stoke your anger on the issue with the discussion.

It wasn't you who did it. The blame doesn't fall on you.

[In Exile]

Definitely agree. He does want an expansionist Empire. He sees security in conquest, particularly in relation to the conquest of Ferelden.

Funny enough I'm very pro Ferelden getting conquered, but that's because I can't stand d the place as a setting.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

And you think he would just let the Dales go?

 

No, but neither would Celene. That's part of the reason that Briala turned on her. (That and discovering the truth of her parents' murder). The whole justification that Celene explained to Briala for why she would improve the lot of elves in the Halamshiral is because they weren't Elvhen, they were Orlesian, and therefore her responsibility. But Briala doesn't believe Celene would and so basically rejected the notion of a the elves' lot improving under human rule at all. I got the impression Celene believed she could fulfill her pledge to improve the lives of Orlesian elves but ultimately is fighting regain control of the Empire for herself. Therefore the have mutually exclusive goals.

 

But you don't even like Orlais. And she's the Empress. Why would you try want someone as an example of positive representation for lesbian relationships if they are an intrinsic part of an organization you hate? Would you actually have been happy if they had stayed together? Then they would have both been Orlesian nobles.

 

There's a scene in the book in the Dalish camp where Celene tells her "Help me return to Val Royeuax and I will strike every law limiting the freedom of your people and make you a Lady. The Comtess of the Elves."

[AresKeith]

I somehow had gotten the sense that what killed him in the Fade was well and truly final, and that he did truly died.

Didn't he put his whole self in the fade too?

[Hellion Rex]

Didn't he put his whole self in the fade too?

No, he said that "he closed his eyes and dreamed", so I read what happened as that whatever killed him in the Fade carried over into the mortal world. It's just that the way it was written seemed so final.

[TK514]

I somehow had gotten the sense that what killed him in the Fade was well and truly final, and that he did truly died.

As did I.  It very much gave me the impression of actual death rather than Tranquility.  If his Master was a sufficiently powerful dreamer, I'm not sure why they couldn't kill him outright.

[AresKeith]

No, he said that "he closed his eyes and dreamed", so I read what happened as that whatever killed him in the Fade carried over into the mortal world. It's just that the way it was written seemed so final.

Ah, still maybe we'll see him in one of the Fade sections

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Well yeah, the end of the book says "He never heard the blow that killed him". That seems about as explicit as you can get in describing his death.

[Iakus]

No, he said that "he closed his eyes and dreamed", so I read what happened as that whatever killed him in the Fade carried over into the mortal world. It's just that the way it was written seemed so final.

 

Somniari are supposed to be able to kill people in their dreams by controlling the Fade around them.  Maybe his master did the same to him.

 

Though being a Dreamer himself, that would mean his master would have to be very, very, powerful...

 

Edit:  Or maybe someone else killed him in the waking world while his master was giving him the "You have failed me" speech

[Hellion Rex]

As did I.  It very much gave me the impression of actual death rather than Tranquility.  If his Master was a sufficiently powerful dreamer, I'm not sure why they couldn't kill him outright.

Indeed. I got the sense that his Master, whatever/whoever it is, would be strong enough to invoke true death even upon a Dreamer within the Fade.

[Xilizhra]

Funny enough I'm very pro Ferelden getting conquered, but that's because I can't stand d the place as a setting.

Why's that?

 

 

No, but neither would Celene. That's part of the reason that Briala turned on her. (That and discovering the truth of her parents' murder). The whole justification that Celene explained to Briala for why she would improve the lot of elves in the Halamshiral is because they weren't Elvhen, they were Orlesian, and therefore her responsibility. But Briala doesn't believe Celene would and so basically rejected the notion of a the elves' lot improving under human rule at all. I got the impression Celene believed she could fulfill her pledge to improve the lives of Orlesian elves but ultimately is fighting regain control of the Empire for herself. Therefore the have mutually exclusive goals.

 

But you don't even like Orlais. And she's the Empress. Why would you try want someone as an example of positive representation for lesbian relationships if they are an intrinsic part of an organization you hate? Would you actually have been happy if they had stayed together? Then they would have both been Orlesian nobles.

 

There's a scene in the book in the Dalish camp where Celene tells her "Help me return to Val Royeuax and I will strike every law limiting the freedom of your people and make you a Lady. The Comtess of the Elves."

I'm trying to be open-minded. My argument would be far weaker if I excluded Orlesian nobles a priori from my criteria, and some good might have been able to come of it if they had remained together. And I push for it now both because the way the ending of the romance was handled was absolutely repulsive, and because it seems unlikely that Briala will somehow suddenly get someone better.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Indeed. I got the sense that his Master, whatever/whoever it is, would be strong enough to invoke true death even upon a Dreamer within the Fade.

 

Well he probably would be if he were in fact the Dread Wolf himself, as I suspected he was.

[Iakus]

Well he probably would be if he were in fact the Dread Wolf himself.

 

Doesn't have to be the Dread Wolf.  Or even a Fade spirit.  I seem to recall a Dreamer with a cut throat in those crypts...

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The one killed by servants? How could it be him? The worth noting though is that Felassan contemplated hiding from his master and concluded he could have done so for a while. And also that he needed to go to the fade to meet him. So whoever it is would be connected to the Fade somehow.

[Iakus]

The one killed by servants? How could it be him? The worth noting though is that Felassan contemplated hiding from his master and concluded he could have done so for a while. And also that he needed to go to the fade to meet him. So whoever it is would be connected to the Fade somehow.

 

I mean it could have been someone in the waking world who struck him down while his mind was in the Fade.  A minion (or rather, another minion) of Felessan's master.  Maybe even one of these "Red Templars" we've been hearing about. 

[Ieldra]

Xil, I have repeatedly requested not to bring this pet peeve of yours up in this thread. I would appreciate it if that request was respected.

[efd731]

Missed a ton of updates, but what I've been wondering is how can briala realistically be a third option. Yes she has the eluvians, but where's her army? She doesn't like the Dalish, why would the city elves listen to a complete stranger who wants them to step into a giant glowing mirror portal? Especially if any of them know she used to be the girlfriend of the empress who just put a city full of rebellious elves to death? Furthermore, how can the eluvians prolong the war? Sure she can move elves along, but who's gonna be dumb enough to match an army through an eluvian controlled by someone who's goals are entirely detrimental to yours. The only realistic option I can see is her bargaining the use of the eluvians to the inquisitor for allowing elves to join your forces/be under your protection.