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[TheJediSaint]

His sparing Mihris did help endear him to me.  Even if it came back to bite him later.

 

And like I said, I'm pretty sure at least part of his racism is a mask.

 

His mask is a survival strategy.   If he was found out he would be executed.

[LobselVith8]

The validity of the end goal has nothing to do with whether or not they are making themselves valid targets in an armed conflict. Briala's elves will be making themselves active participants in the civil war, and their actions will result in additional deaths on both sides. That is Briala's stated method. She's going to be making her people enemies of both sides, and both sides will be perfectly justified in retaliating against her.

If it leads to the elves gaining rights, putting an end to the chevalier initiation rites, the systematic abuse against a class who are viewed as less than people, the killings that transpired because of the place the elves currently have in society, and the purges, then it can end up saving lives in the long run.

[Xilizhra]

Michel?  Maybe.  But pretty sure it was at least partly an act.  He deliberately played up the "knife-ear" bit to conceal his elf-blooded heritage.  Human nobles are expected to act like that, after all. 

 

Not sure what this has to do with his duel with Gaspard though.

I just don't really see a reason to care much about him, in that case.

 

 

The validity of the end goal has nothing to do with whether or not they are making themselves valid targets in an armed conflict. Briala's elves will be making themselves active participants in the civil war, and their actions will result in additional deaths on both sides. That is Briala's stated method. She's going to be making her people enemies of both sides, and both sides will be perfectly justified in retaliating against her.

It remains to be seen, I think. I doubt she'd even have to do much, with the Veil tears opening.

[LobselVith8]

His sparing Mihris did help endear him to me. Even if it came back to bite him later.

And like I said, I'm pretty sure at least part of his racism is a mask.

I inferred otherwise from how he displayed more emotion for the demise of his horse than the mass killing of thousands of elves, but suffice it to say, I didn't care for him.

[AresKeith]

I just don't really see a reason to care much about him, in that case.

 

Surprised your able to care about anybody from the book, since you never bothered to read it or the synopsis(?)

[LobselVith8]

I just don't really see a reason to care much about him, in that case.

You probably wouldn't care for the role that Leliana played, either, when she conveyed that the Divine expected the Empress to deal with the elven situation, which lead to the burning of Halamshiral.

[The Elder King]

Unless you agree that the elves deserve rights.

I agree that elves deserve rights, and my first dalish Inquisitor (which will believe that) will likely act against Briala if she'll follow through the her plan of prolonging the war. Because the current situation in DAI is more dangerous and affect everyone, including elves. And we might need Orlais to stop it.

[Xilizhra]

You probably wouldn't care for the role that Leliana played, either, when she conveyed that the Divine expected the Empress to deal with the elven situation, which lead to the burning of Halamshiral.

Good grief. Was this novel written to troll me specifically?

[The Elder King]

You probably wouldn't care for the role that Leliana played, either, when she conveyed that the Divine expected the Empress to deal with the elven situation, which lead to the burning of Halamshiral.

I remember reading the dialogue between Leliana and Celene in the preview? Did Leliana appear in other parts of the novel.

[Xilizhra]

I agree that elves deserve rights, and my first dalish Inquisitor (which will believe that) will likely act against Briala if she'll follow through the her plan of prolonging the war. Because the current situation in DAI is more dangerous and affect everyone, including elves. And we might need Orlais to stop it.

I would advise you to not act against Briala until you ensure that A. Orlais is necessary, and B. it's impossible to get Orlais' help without her being interfered with.

[AresKeith]

I remember reading the dialogue between Leliana and Celene in the preview? Did Leliana appear in other parts of the novel.

 

I think she reappears one other time

 

Spoiler

Later she reappears to bring Justinia's price for helping to quell the Chantry crisis to Celene: ending theelven revolt in Halamshiral. By doing so Celene would demonstrate the same control over her own affairs that she had demanded of the Divine. Given her adventures alongside elves in the past, Leliana clearly regrets the necessity of cracking down on the elven population, and bids Celene good luck before leaving.

[LobselVith8]

I agree that elves deserve rights, and my first dalish Inquisitor (which will believe that) will likely act against Briala if she'll follow through the her plan of prolonging the war. Because the current situation in DAI is more dangerous and affect everyone, including elves. And we might need Orlais to stop it.

With the elven Inquisitor, I wouldn't pass up the opportunity to help the elves free themselves simply because the timing was inconvenient. The status quo is simply too abhorrent to be permitted to persist. Since the Inquisitor is the only one able to deal with the veil tears, I don't think Orlais is as important as you do.

[Hellion Rex]

I think she reappears one other time

 

Spoiler

Later she reappears to bring Justinia's price for helping to quell the Chantry crisis to Celene: ending theelven revolt in Halamshiral. By doing so Celene would demonstrate the same control over her own affairs that she had demanded of the Divine. Given her adventures alongside elves in the past, Leliana clearly regrets the necessity of cracking down on the elven population, and bids Celene good luck before leaving.

Yup, she appears 2x within the novel.

[The Elder King]

I would advise you to not act against Briala until you ensure that A. Orlais is necessary, and B. it's impossible to get Orlais' help without her being interfered with.

Of course I woudn't side against her if there's an option of making an alliance between her and one Orlesian contender, or if I can end the OCW without going against her. 
I wouldn't be fine with just having Orlais' help though. My first Inquisitor would (if possible) want to restore order, and ending the OCW one of his goals.
If there's an option to help elves/Briala and on the same time stopping the OCW, I'll take it.
 

I think she reappears one other time
 

Spoiler

Later she reappears to bring Justinia's price for helping to quell the Chantry crisis to Celene: ending theelven revolt in Halamshiral. By doing so Celene would demonstrate the same control over her own affairs that she had demanded of the Divine. Given her adventures alongside elves in the past, Leliana clearly regrets the necessity of cracking down on the elven population, and bids Celene good luck before leaving.

Thanks .

[Cobra's_back]

The validity of the end goal has nothing to do with whether or not they are making themselves valid targets in an armed conflict. Briala's elves will be making themselves active participants in the civil war, and their actions will result in additional deaths on both sides. That is Briala's stated method. She's going to be making her people enemies of both sides, and both sides will be perfectly justified in retaliating against her.

 

You might want to read what she said again. She is not going to openly let herself be the third party. She is talking about covert actions like the Dreaded Wolf. It sounds more like planting intelligence to even the two teams and keep them fighting. She doesn't plan on showing herself as a third party until the end.

[The Elder King]

With the elven Inquisitor, I wouldn't pass up the opportunity to help the elves free themselves simply because the timing was inconvenient. The status quo is simply too abhorrent to be permitted to persist. Since the Inquisitor is the only one able to deal with the veil tears, I don't think Orlais is as important as you do.

I explained in another post my stance. My first PC 'e main goal is to restore order in Thedas. If I can achieve it with Briala's support, I'll be happy. If she'll block my actions i ending the OCW and there's no room to cooperation, I'll stop her.
I'll surely make an elven PC with the elven freedom/rights as his/her main goal, but my first won't be like this.

[Hellion Rex]

You might want to read what she said again. She is not going to openly let herself be the third party. She is talking about covert actions like the Dreaded Wolf. It sounds more like planting intelligence to even the two teams and keep them fighting. She doesn't plan on showing herself as a third party until the end.

Considering both Celene and Gaspard know what the eluvians can do, as well as the fact that she controls them, it wouldn't be hard for them to put 2 and 2 together. Heck, maybe this is why Celene called up Morrigan.

[TheJediSaint]

Considering both Celene and Gaspard know what the eluvians can do, as well as the fact that she controls them, it wouldn't be hard for them to put 2 and 2 together. Heck, maybe this is why Celene called up Morrigan.

 

Since her plan is basically to play both sides against each other, she'll probably pretend to ally with both of them.

[The Elder King]

Since her plan is basically to play both sides against each other, she'll probably pretend to ally with both of them.

Who? Briala or Morrigan?

[Cobra's_back]

I agree that elves deserve rights, and my first dalish Inquisitor (which will believe that) will likely act against Briala if she'll follow through the her plan of prolonging the war. Because the current situation in DAI is more dangerous and affect everyone, including elves. And we might need Orlais to stop it.

 

There has to be a way to form a treaty. Briala can't go back to the status quo and that is not solving the problem. I feel the Inquisitor has to get two of the three to sign-up to end this war.

[TheJediSaint]

Who? Briala or Morrigan?

Briala.  I have no idea what Morrigan's up to.

[Milan92]

Since her plan is basically to play both sides against each other, she'll probably pretend to ally with both of them.

 

I wish her luck in that case because it will only be a matter of time before Gaspard and Celene will realise they are being played. Provided they fall for it at all.

[The Elder King]

There has to be a way to form a treaty. Briala can't go back to the status quo and that is not solving the problem. I feel the Inquisitor has to get two of the three to sign-up to end this war.

  
Possibly. I wouldn't bet on this being sure though.

Briala.  I have no idea what Morrigan's up to.

In that case, I doubt Gaspard and Celene would fall for it.

[LobselVith8]

Good grief. Was this novel written to troll me specifically?

I will say that, despite my issue with the depiction of Clan Virnehn, Weekes is a very nice, friendly guy. He also takes criticism well, like his response to the claim that Celene was a self-insert for him.

[Hellion Rex]

Well, now I figured out why Gaspard was trying to get Wynne on his side. He lost Lienne, another powerful healer. So it makes sense why he'd want her help, especially since Wynne wasn't attached to a Circle anymore.