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[The Baconer]

Exactly the human powers need to allow it which won't happen as long as the elves use violence to attempt to achieve it.

 

Right. Change being ordained by a human prophet on the other hand...

[Shadow Fox]

Well, even in the same racial groups dissensions happen, total peace is utopic, conflicts are parts of live. Celene and Gaspard are a good exemple of that, human vs human.(By the way, they could have stoped this silly war whenever they wanted to). Otherwise I don't see why CE and human couldn't "get along" or at least improve their actual situation who is clearly bad.

Because Elven freedom lasting rests solely on humanity's goodwill which won't be earned by prolonging conflicts or starting them.

[JeffZero]

Anyway, I don't really care to take aside on all this to the point of posting more than a few times here, but I will say the novel did a respectable job setting up more factions my Inquisitor will have to take into account from whichever perspective my Inquisitor is slated to harbor.

Who "I" side with really depends on what my Inquisitor sees in the game, as I don't do meta stuff, but from where I currently stand, at this moment, I would sooner assist Briala in aiding the elves than side with either Celene or Gaspard. There's certainly a strong likelihood choosing her over either of them won't be a full-fledged option, in which case, Celene, I guess.

I have no qualms with seeing the Orlesian Empire crumble, but the fall of the Empire *of* Orlais would starve and slaughter so many innocents. So it's a shame either way.

As a cultural anthropology student, grey areas are something of a daily concern of mine, though. I'll make do.

[LobselVith8]

But isn't allowing innocents to suffer for your cause also injustice?

That's my point for the Elves freedom to stick humanity has to allow it. What's stopping Orlais when it recovers from attacking the elves for revenge or even if Orlais falls what's to stop the neighboring human nations from attacking the elves for territory?

There are always casualties in war. It's an inevitable, ugly truth to any armed conflict. I agree with Briala's cause to free the elves, so I want my Dalish Inquisitor to help her make that a reality.

It's also possible Celene may be willing to compromise to have Gaspard dealt with, or vice versa, in order to prevent a Nevarran incursion into Orlais.

[Milan92]

Indeed. After reading the book, I'm finally getting why Loghain hates Orlais so much.

 

But the shoes!

[MisterJB]

 

 

 

Why couldn't Chevaliers just have initiates drink a gallon of milk out of a beer bong like other fraternities?

 

Because a game of whack-a-elf is much more entertaining.

 

Seriously, I imagine the point is to ensure the recruits can obey orders.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

We have encountered a grand total of...two chevaliers. Let's wait a bit before condemning them all as some devious group in need of reform.

How about no. We've known they were a terrible group even since Liselle in Origins tells us her story of how she was almost raped by one and had to run to Ferelden to avoid them after they killed her brother who stopped said rape. 

 

That plus their initiation, the Chevaliers have a heck of a hole to dig themselves out of before I say anything positive about them.

[MisterJB]

How about no. We've known they were a terrible group even since Lisette in Origins tells us her story of how she was almost raped by one and had to run to Ferelden to avoid them after they killed her brother who stopped said rape. 

 

That plus their initiation, the Chevaliers have a heck of a hole to dig themselves out of before I say anything positive about them.

Because one of them was a rapist, the blame suddenly falls on all of them?

Well, I guess that disqualifies...every group in Thedas. Except for the Qunari.

[TheJediSaint]

The first novel gave me my clue

 

I mean they killed his dog and everything.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Because Elven freedom solely on humanity's goodwill which won't be earned by prolonging conflicts or starting them.

hah yes because if they won't start any conflicts human mercy and goodnes will make their life better oh wait it didn't rly worked for that centuries rather naive thinking fella but they have bigger chances by war than peace to get better treatment even if both are low.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That's why I changed my post, as Xil already pointed out?

Sorry. Didn't see you change it.

 

 

The first novel gave me my clue

That made me understand why he hated Orlais then. This book makes me understand why he kept hating them now. 

[Hellion Rex]

Because one of them was a rapist, the blame suddenly falls on all of them?

 

A group of magisters breaks into the Golden City, and suddenly the blame falls on the rest of Thedosian mages?

[Wolfen09]

cultural reform wont happen over night, and celene knew this, and was slowly changing it in favor of the elves....  but some people were impatient and wanted everything now instead of later, which in turn is going to lead to a lot more elven deaths....  mainly cause my inquisitor is gonna bring the hammah down

[Milan92]

I mean they killed his dog and everything.

 

And raped his mother in front of him and his dad.

[Divine Justinia V]

Sorry. Didn't see you change it.

 

 

That made me understand why he hated Orlais then. This book makes me understand why he kept hating them now. 

 

It's okay!

 

Yeeeah, Orlais is incredibly viscous. I also find them to be very hypocritical, granted everyone can be, but they're truly at a whole other level.

[Hellion Rex]

That made me understand why he hated Orlais then. This book makes me understand why he kept hating them now. 

Still chopped his head off though.

[Divine Justinia V]

And raped his mother in front of him and his dad.

 

welp there it is

[TheKomandorShepard]

A group of magisters breaks into the Golden City, and suddenly the blame falls on the rest of Thedosian mages?

better safe than sorry...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Because one of them was a rapist, the blame suddenly falls on all of them?

"The chevalier are knights of the highest order. They are the most skilled in the world, their discipline formidable. For their service they are allowed... privileges. These privileges are not always fair... I was a victim once. They can do whatever they want to the lesser-born." - Liselle

 

Plus we also know they raped Loghain's mother, so it is not just one. 

 

That plus them all literally being murderers, why should I view them positively?

[JeffZero]

Cultural reform over the course of 50, 100 years doesn't do enough for the people who are born in poverty, live in fear, and die ignominiously.

[Shadow Fox]

Right. Change being ordained by a human prophet on the other hand...

Andraste didn't do it herself she had allies.

 

Do the Elves have any?

 

*not snark btw.*

[Divine Justinia V]

better safe than sorry...

 

With a mindset like that at the cost of tons of lives, I understand why they'd be a bit angry now.

[TheJediSaint]

And raped his mother in front of him and his dad.

 

Yes, but it's killing his dog that really cheesed him off.  I mean, he is Fereldan after all.  They're not called dog-lords for nothing.

[The Baconer]

Andraste didn't do it herself she had allies.

 

Do the Elves have any?

 

*not snark btw.*

 

All of His faithful have an ally in the Inquisition.

[Hellion Rex]

Cultural reform over the course of 50, 100 years doesn't do enough for the people who are born in poverty, live in fear, and die ignominiously.

But is Briala's way any better?