Then Michel's honor is interfering with justice.
Not really. He's cleaning up his own mess now, rather than helping others with theirs.
He accidentally loosed a powerful and malevolent spirit into the world that slaughtered an entire Dalish clan. He feels obligated to set that right.
There's a big big difference between a soldier killing combatants on the battlefield and a person who knowingly prolongs a war for personal gain. One is justifiable as an ugly necessity the other isn't.
So you have a weakened Orlais and an untrained nation of elves against a well trained and prepared invading army at full strength?...Yeah they'll be crushed.
They have not.
And they are the greatest Order of Warriors in Thedas. If the Magisters are the most powerful mages and the Crows the most skilled Rogues, then the Chevaliers are the greatest warriors. One of them killed seven dalish elves plus the First; three of them with a blanket; after having been beaten to a pulp. Two killed one Revenant and one Arcane Horror after having fought amongst themselves.
The Grey Wardens are a collection of all three classes, hence why I didn't take them into account.
Thought you meant the definition of warrior, not the class. Sorry.
Also he spared Mihris, the Dalish First when he had absolutely no reason to, and she had only moments ago tried to kill him.
Michel is right up there with Evangeline as far as personal integrity, imo
Ehh. Maybe he wants to be, but I'm not prepared to just forgive the murders of several innocent (and probably defenseless) elves, especially since he hasn't expressed any, you know, regret.
Good, maybe he can prevent another church from blowing up.
I thought the issue was whether or not the Chevaliers required reformation (which seems to be a rather sweeping consensus), not whether or not it should be disbanded.
Then Michel's honor is interfering with justice.
you haven't replied to my post about his honor, did you see it?
Briala is working for a better future for all elves, not her personal gain. It's about freeing elven men, women, and children. I think that cause is justified.
The problem is she is going about it in a really stupid way.
The only way Michel can regain his honor is if he captures the Avatar. 
you haven't replied to my post about his honor, did you see it?
I'll give him credit for sticking to his word on things, but I just don't see that as the most important aspect of one's character.
So let me turn it around: You're willing to spare an Order known for committing grievous crimes because of a couple 'good' eggs?
Why are we assuming it's this way and not the other way around?
Also, considering that Chevaliers are necessary for the stability of an entire nation, I might. I don't appreciate what the Crows do but I acknowledge that destroying them would harm Antiva far more than it would help it.
I'll give him credit for sticking to his word on things, but I just don't see that as the most important aspect of one's character.
you don't think being honorable is important? what do you think is, then?
Why are we assuming it's this way and not the other way around?
Also, considering that Chevaliers are necessary for the stability of an entire nation, I might. I don't appreciate what the Crows do but I acknowledge that destroying them would harm Antiva far more than it would help it.
Because a lot more than two have committed grievous crimes(all of them but you don't recognize that for some reason) than are 'good' eggs.
They may be necessary, but they are not essential. They are an Order, and Orders can be replaced. It's not like they are like the Grey Wardens and are the only people who can do something important.
Why are we assuming it's this way and not the other way around?
Also, considering that Chevaliers are necessary for the stability of an entire nation, I might. I don't appreciate what the Crows do but I acknowledge that destroying them would harm Antiva far more than it would help it.
I assume all this talk of destroying the Chevaliers is purely theoretical right? Not actual expectations for the game?
On another note, I had to wince at the thought of someone trying to take out the Antivan Crows. Ouch.
It's entirely possible. Training is supposed to be quite brutal. There's a reason being a chevalier is so prestigious
The Chevaliers motto is "Death before Dishonor" so yeah, it strikes me as highly possible.
I assume all this talk of destroying the Chevaliers is purely theoretical right? Not actual expectations for the game?
Man, I pity the fool who tries to take out the Antivan Crows.
Well, I would like to eliminate their Order, but realize chances are the best I can do is thin their numbers a bit.
I assume all this talk of destroying the Chevaliers is purely theoretical right? Not actual expectations for the game?
Man, I pity the fool who tries to take out the Antivan Crows.
I suspect the main impact that players will have on Thedas is to stop it from ending.
Briala is working for a better future for all elves, not her personal gain. It's about freeing elven men, women, and children. I think that cause is justified.
Assuming Nevarra is unhindered by the veil tears, which may extend beyond the borders of Ferelden and Orlais.
Correction: She's working for what she thinks is the better future for all Elves.But is it worth the cost? And Meredith thought hers was too simply because one feels their cause is justified doesn't mean it is.
Then they wouldn't invade if they were ill equipped to do so.You're also working under the assumption Orlais wouldn't simply sacrifice the elves to save itself.
Because a lot more than two have committed grievous crimes(all of them but you don't recognize that for some reason) than are 'good' eggs.
They may be necessary, but they are not essential. They are an Order, and Orders can be replaced. It's not like they are like the Grey Wardens and are the only people who can do something important.
Where does this "all of them" come from?
And while you're replacing the Chevaliers, Nevarra is busy invading; or the nobles are having their third and fourth sons engaging in small conflicts because their avenues to glory has been closed, etc.
Where does this "all of them" come from?
And while you're replacing the Chevaliers, Nevarra is busy invading; or the nobles are having their third and fourth sons engaging in small conflicts because their avenues to glory has been closed, etc.
The fact their initiation is killing elves.
Simple. The Inquisition acts as a peacekeeping buffer between the two nations, since being a peacekeeping force is pretty much half of our job apparently, the other half being to close the Veil Tears.
As for the nobles, I guess they'll have to join the regular army and hope to rise in rank like everyone else.
Where does this "all of them" come from?
It's an initiation ritual. They all have to do it, by definition.
Simple. The Inquisition acts as a peacekeeping buffer between the two nations, since being a peacekeeping force is pretty much half of our job apparently, the other half being to close the Veil Tears.
As for the nobles, I guess they'll have to join the regular army and hope to rise in rank like everyone else.
You realize you are talking about completely destroying then rebuilding the social order of the continent's most powerful country? While single-handedly holding off the second-or-third most powerful?
What makes you think the Inquisition will have that amount of influence or might?
You realize you are talking about completely destroying then rebuilding the social order of the continent's most powerful country? While single-handedly holding off the second-or-third most powerful?
What makes you think the Inquisition will have that amount of influence or might?
Same reason the Grey Wardens have so much pull during Blights. It's listen to them or face the Darkspawn. For the Inquisition, it is listen to them or deal with the Veil Tears.
Plus I'm not talking about doing it overnight or anything. It will take time.
It's an initiation ritual. They all have to do it, by definition.
We do not know if it's the same for every class of recruits.
And even if it is, Ser Michel and Gaspard are honorable men who do not prey the streets looking for people to abuse their authority on so, at most, they'd be "good apples" who did something bad once.
Their motto is "death before dishonor"; they can't be expected to disobey their instructors.
We do not know if it's the same for every class of recruits.
And even if it is, Ser Michel and Gaspard are honorable men who do not prey the streets looking for people to abuse their authority on so, at most, they'd be "good apples" who did something bad once.Their motto is "death before dishonor"; they can't be expected to disobey their instructors.
I'd like someone to use that as a defense. "Sure, I've murdered some people. But I've been really good since then."
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