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The Masked Empire and DAI's plot [Spoilers]


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#926
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Same reason the Grey Wardens have so much pull during Blights. It's listen to them or face the Darkspawn. For the Inquisition, it is listen to them or deal with the Veil Tears.

During Blights, the Grey Wardens are desperately doing every single thing they possibly can to stop the end of the world. Your Inquisition, on the other hand, will be busy bullying the Orlesians into a 21st century mindset?


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You realize you are talking about completely destroying then rebuilding the social order of the continent's most powerful country? While single-handedly holding off the second-or-third most powerful?

 

What makes you think the Inquisition will have that amount of influence or might?

 

Piety, religious fervor, etc.



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I'd like someone to use that as a defense. "Sure, I've murdered some people. But I've been really good since then."

Agreed. Murder isn't something you can handwave away, no matter the circumstances.


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During Blights, the Grey Wardens are desperately doing every single thing they possibly can to stop the end of the world. Your Inquisition, on the other hand, will be busy bullying the Orlesians into a 21st century mindset?

I added that it'd be a slow process after I posted that first bit. 



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I'd like someone to use that as a defense. "Sure, I've murdered some people. But I've been really good since then."

It's called "parole for good behavior".

 

Edit: Granted, you have to be arrested in the first place but still...



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Master Warder Z_

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It's called "parole for good behavior".

 

Or you know, executing criminals as an induction rite.



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Hanako Ikezawa

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It's called "parole for good behavior".

Parole only happens after someone has served time in prison. The Chevaliers are knighted for what they do, not imprisoned. The latter is a punishment for their actions, while the former is a reward for them. Hardly the same thing.


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#933
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Or you know, executing criminals as an induction rite.

 

Not all of them are guilty, so I fail to see where you get this from?



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Not all of them are guilty, so I fail to see where you get this from?

Apparently, being an elf is a crime punishable by death in the Orlesian Empire.


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Not all of them are guilty, so I fail to see where you get this from?

 

._. In the book it was stated quite plainly they were criminals.

 

Why wouldn't that apply to every elf slain by them as induction into the ranks of that Knightly Order?

 

And Guilt and Innocence really don't factor into this overly anyway, It isn't your place as a knight to question that when you are ordered to kill a criminal.

 

Your not a judge, your a sword.



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Apparently, being an elf is a crime punishable by death in the Orlesian Empire.

 

Ah. That must be it.

 

._. In the book it was stated quite plainly they were criminals.

 

No, in the book it was stated quite plainly that they were also innocent


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#937
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Apparently, being an elf is a crime punishable by death in the Orlesian Empire.

 

Where did you get that notion?

 

._.

 

I mean its obviously not.



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You are right on that account (see my edit) but the world is not black and white. While Michel's particular initiation rite was brutal, it doesn't make him a "bad egg" or threat to Orlesian society; in fact, he is quite the asset to it.



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._. In the book it was stated quite plainly they were criminals.

 

It didn't.



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Where did you get that notion?

 

._.

 

I mean its obviously not.

 

Michel said it didn't matter if they were innocent or not, what book did you read?



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No, in the book it was stated quite plainly that they were also innocent

 

See the conclusion of my post.

 

Isn't their place to question it.

 

When you are told to kill, you kill.

 

If they are innocent or not isn't a concern for you, its above your paygrade.

 

if you want to go that route.

 

Thankfully there isn't a Geneva convention in that world so that logic still flies :P



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._. In the book it was stated quite plainly they were criminals.

 

Why wouldn't that apply to every elf slain by them as induction into the ranks of that Knightly Order?

 

And Guilt and Innocence really don't factor into this overly anyway, It isn't your place as a knight to question that when you are ordered to kill a criminal.

 

Your not a judge, your a sword.

Well, to be fair, Michel's class was just release into the slums and told there were criminals there.

Even if there were, they weren't really given a description of what they looked like so, there was no way to distinguish between the innocent and the guilty.



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Michel said it didn't matter if they were innocent or not, what book did you read?

 

Read the same book, and i ignored his comment on it.

 

He wanted to voice an opinion.

 

 

It didn't.

 

He was told they were, that should have been an end to it.



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You are right on that account (see my edit) but the world is not black and white. While Michel's particular initiation rite was brutal, it doesn't make him a "bad egg" or threat to Orlesian society; in fact, he is quite the asset to it.

Agreed. I might even go as far to say Michel is a good person, but I won't dismiss his murders as inconsequential.

 

(Btw, how are you supposed to pronounce this guy's name? Is it like "michelle", or "michael", or "mikal"?)



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Alright well that's my cue to leave, because if you're going to ignore a fact from a book and then make that your argument, well, it's just not worth the aggravation tbh, no matter what your conclusion is.


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Correction: She's working for what she thinks is the better future for all Elves.But is it worth the cost? And Meredith thought hers was too simply because one feels their cause is justified doesn't mean it is.


Briala is taking action when the alternative is to do nothing. I don't buy into the argument that Briala should do nothing when the elves have suffered for generations.

Then they wouldn't invade if they were ill equipped to do so.You're also working under the assumption Orlais wouldn't simply sacrifice the elves to save itself.


I'm speaking in the hope that it's possible to aid the elves. If siding with Briala is an option for rights or autonomy for the Dales, all the better.

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Agreed. I might even go as far to say Michel is a good person, but I won't dismiss his murders as inconsequential.

 

(Btw, how are you supposed to pronounce this guy's name? Is it like "michelle", or "michael", or "mikal"?)

 

I always thought "mikal" or something like that, assuming it's "french"



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Not all of them are guilty, so I fail to see where you get this from?

 

Sadly, Their trainer sends them out to kill elves without proof of crime. Any they see in the street. It is really bad and I'm sure their are Chevaliers that don't like it but keep their mouth shut.



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Agreed. I might even go as far to say Michel is a good person, but I won't dismiss his murders as inconsequential.

 

(Btw, how are you supposed to pronounce this guy's name? Is it like "michelle", or "michael", or "mikal"?)

It's Michelle.



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Where did you get that notion?

 

._.

 

I mean its obviously not.

It is the book.