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[Heimdall]

Let's hope he's dropped the racial slurs if he's in Inquisition.

The only time I ever recall him using a slur was when he was deliberately trying to distract Briala

[sandalisthemaker]

Let's hope he's dropped the racial slurs if he's in Inquisition.

 

Perhaps he will. I think he mostly just said those things as a defense mechanism. He seemed to feel badly while Halamshiral was burning.

[Cobra's_back]

She really has no reason to work with Gaspard. He has no fondness for the elves and for some reason he thinks invading Ferelden is a good remedy for a troubled Empire, rather ignoring that military distraction might draw in a Nevarran invasion. If Briala wants Orlais to survive at all, Gaspard isn't the one she should back.

 

Gaspard doesn't have my vote. I have no need for his wanting to invade Ferelden.

[TheJediSaint]

Oh, I agree. I don't expect, or want it to be easy, because that would cheapen it. But... the possibility would be nice.

Celene and Briala's dynamic was one of my favorite parts of the novel.   The problem is that Celene is too...Celene.

[Divine Justinia V]

The only time I ever recall him using a slur was when he was deliberately trying to distract Briala

 

or hide his feelings from Celene

[LobselVith8]

Oh, I agree. I don't expect, or want it to be easy, because that would cheapen it. But... the possibility would be nice.

I think it might be possible. There would be conflict, from how Briala would deal with the part Celene played in the demise of her parents, to Celene handling the racism from the nobles who view elves with disdain.

[Sylvianus]

She really has no reason to work with Gaspard. He has no fondness for the elves and for some reason he thinks invading Ferelden is a good remedy for a troubled Empire, rather ignoring that military distraction might draw in a Nevarran invasion. If Briala wants Orlais to survive at all, Gaspard isn't the one she should back.

 

I disagree..Gaspard is meritocratic even if he has no fondness for elves. If the elves prove that they worth something, ( and I think they will ) Gaspard might change his point of view, even if Celene will be probably always more progressive than him. He might help them, if they help him. 

 

His behavior with lienne de Montsimmard, the apostate, with Ser Michel at the end of the book, a few of his comments about elves, yep that tells me that this isn't really true.

 

I agree however , Briala has no reason to believe in Gaspard, given their relationships. But Briala has showed how she was opportunistic and how she cared for elves. I still can't believe how she decided to not let Celene win over Gaspard. I'm not blaming her, but, yeah the comparison with Fen'rael is quite true.

 

I haven't the time to argue, I must leave. 

[Palidane]

I don't know who I'm going to root for. They all have their upsides and downsides, and I can't think of an acceptable arrangement.

 

Grand Duke Gaspard is an arrogant, racist, warmongering old bastard who thinks every problem should be solved with the business end of a sword. He is an excellent general, but he doesn't have the tact or subtlety that is required in an Emperor. As Celene said, he thinks power is something only one person can hold at a time, and he isn't good at sharing it. That said, he is a man of honor, if not morals. His word is golden once he gives it, and there are lines he won't cross under any circumstances, even in spirit. He is not cruel or vindictive, and obviously inspires the men under him. Even if I don't like the guy, I respect him. And I have the feeling that though he would be a terrible leader in peace-time, he might really shine in a crisis. 

 

Empress Celene, on the other hand, is a waffling traitorous ****** that I wouldn't turn my back on if my life depended on it. To her credit, she is very idealistic, but not to the point of foolishness. She obviously has more modern sensibilities, and I completely agree with her plans to drag Orlais into the future, whether it likes it or not. She is a visionary, and as witnessed, did an excellent job during her reign. The problem with Celene is that she has no morals. I don't think there's any line that she couldn't convince herself to cross, with enough crying and rationalization. Her grand ideals crumble under the slightest pressure, and she is way too quick to resort to evil, and then exclaim "I had no choice!" after the fact. Celene is a fair-weather friend, a woman completely without honor. I might like her personally, and I might sympathize with her goals, but I can't respect her.

 

Briala is skilled, observant, dangerous, compassionate, driven, determined, intelligent, and charismatic elf, with an unprecedented opportunity to do a lot of good in the world. The problem is that she is painfully naive and shortsighted. Her plan is idiotic and will result in a massacre at best, and a genocide at worst. Say what you will about Gaspard and Celene, but at least they realize that Nevarra and Tevinter actually exist. Briala has this absurd notion that if she can distract the Orlesians, she can setup permanent shop in the Dales, and everyone will just accept that and sing kumbaya. The only way the Elves will ever get their independence is if they play ball with the humans and compromise. They can't take the Dales, but they can be given it. I hate to say it, but Briala seems exactly like the kind of well-meaning radical that I will feel bad about as I step over her corpse on my way to uniting Thedas against the demons. Kind of like Loghain or Adrian.

 

I don't know. I wish I could marry Gaspard and Celene, use his backbone to support her ideals, and convince Briala to come off the warpath and sit down at the negotiating table. Probably a vain hope, but hey, you never know.

[Iakus]

Let's hope he's dropped the racial slurs if he's in Inquisition.

 

I don't see why he'd have to bother with that anymore.  He no longer has a position in court to maintain.

[TheJediSaint]

He's also out of the closet, as it were, as an elf-blooded human.

[The Elder King]

It don't think it's unlikely that it could spread to elves outside of the Dales; with an elven Warden as Bann, there's a migration of elves who head to Denerim for a better life, so I think it's possible a successful elven rebellion could reach the ears of elves living elsewhere.

 
Of course, that doesn't mean that the humans would let the elves go. An agreement between the Andrastian countries and the new elven state might be necessary. 
And I doubt that the elves in other countries would move before the rebellion succeed.

I never said I was hating on him, but he did in fact release the Forbidden One. And it wasn't exactly... awfully smart of him. At least he was willing to own up to his responsibility though, unlike Felassan. And Michel can at least claim ignorance as an excuse maybe.

 
From what I read here, he was tricked. Michel didn't want to free Ishmael. 

Kinda hard to reconcile murdered parents.

I read someone say that the major reason for the break up is their opposite goals, not the murder of Briala's parents.

[Cobra's_back]

 
Of course, that doesn't mean that the humans would let the elves go. An agreement between the Andrastian countries and the new elven state might be necessary. 
And I doubt that the elves in other countries would move before the rebellion succeed. 
From what I read here, he was tricked. Michel didn't want to free Ishmael.  I read someone say that the major reason for the break up is their opposite goals, not the murder of Briala's parents.

 

Ferelden knew that Orlesian wanted to attack them. I don't think it would be smart for them to side with the Orlesians. I believe at one time the elves won against the Orlesians but everyone came to their rescue. The Elves now have an intelligent leader who knows how to play the game. 

 

"And I doubt that the elves in other countries would move before the rebellion succeed." This is a chance to get back their original home. I think they would have plenty of motivate.

 

"doesn't mean that the humans would let the elves go" They now have the means of fast travel. They also have night vision according to the first book. 

 

I believe the Chantry is going to be busy fighting the mages and templars. The time could be ripe for this. 

[Cobra's_back]

I don't know who I'm going to root for. They all have their upsides and downsides, and I can't think of an acceptable arrangement.

 

 

Briala is skilled, observant, dangerous, compassionate, driven, determined, intelligent, and charismatic elf, with an unprecedented opportunity to do a lot of good in the world. The problem is that she is painfully naive and shortsighted. Her plan is idiotic and will result in a massacre at best, and a genocide at worst. 

 

I don't know if we have all the details yet. Briala may decide to talk to her neighbors. She knew the Grand Duke Gaspard wanted to conquer the world. How many nations really want to help Gaspard knowing what he wanted. Other nations may like Celene but what if Briala shares the turth about her as well. She is a Bard and a very good one. Let's see if that training helps her.

[Cobra's_back]

What if a Tevinter dreamer Magister was Felassan's master? 

[The Elder King]

Ferelden knew that Orlesian wanted to attack them. I don't think it would be smart for them to side with the Orlesians. I believe at one time the elves won against the Orlesians but everyone came to their rescue. The Elves now have an intelligent leader who knows how to play the game. 
 
"And I doubt that the elves in other countries would move before the rebellion succeed." This is a chance to get back their original home. I think they would have plenty of motivate.
 
"doesn't mean that the humans would let the elves go" They now have the means of fast travel. They also have night vision according to the first book. 
 
I believe the Chantry is going to be busy fighting the mages and templars. The time could be ripe for this.

The Chantry isn't relevant at all. The elves matter is first of all a matter of countries.
You're right on the Fast travel, but we don't know if Briala would go to other countries and reach elves. We still considered herself Orlesians.
The fact that there is the change of getting their original home back doesn't change the fact that the elves know that the Orlesian are strong and very dangerous. The Eluvians' presence doesn't mean that elves might not die i the rebellion. Plus, the elves in other countries might considered themselves Fereldans, Nevarrans, etc. And might not want to go there. I seriously doubt that the Elven plot in DAI would expand to other countries. The major focus would be Orlais.
I don't think Ferelden is willing to side directly with the elves, since it might cause the Orlesians to attack them. Keep in mind that Ferelden is still recovering of the Blight. They're weak, and even at its prime Ferelden can't compare to Orlais.

[Cobra's_back]

The Chantry isn't relevant at all. The elves matter is first of all a matter of countries.
You're right on the Fast travel, but we don't know if Briala would go to other countries and reach elves. We still considered herself Orlesians.
The fact that there is the change of getting their original home back doesn't change the fact that the elves know that the Orlesian are strong and very dangerous. The Eluvians' presence doesn't mean that elves might not die i the rebellion. Plus, the elves in other countries might considered themselves Fereldans, Nevarrans, etc. And might not want to go there. I seriously doubt that the Elven plot in DAI would expand to other countries. The major focus would be Orlais.
I don't think Ferelden is willing to side directly with the elves, since it might cause the Orlesians to attack them. Keep in mind that Ferelden is still recovering of the Blight. They're weak, and even at its prime Ferelden can't compare to Orlais.

 

Good point but I'm not sure any of these countries will help Orlais considering Orlais aggressive behavior.

 

"Plus, the elves in other countries might considered themselves Fereldans, Nevarrans, etc. " The author had Briala say spread the word to all Dalish clans. I'm not so sure they won't come. I guess we have to wait and see.

 

Edit: Your post makes sense. This could just be wishful thinking on my part. I guess i would jump at the chance to be part of a revolution.

[Ello Naver]

Well here's my theory on Felassan's master:
http://forum.bioware...villain-of-dai/

[Cobra's_back]

Well here's my theory on Felassan's master:
http://forum.bioware...villain-of-dai/

 

Thank you very nice post.

[The Elder King]

Good point but I'm not sure any of these countries will help Orlais considering Orlais aggressive behavior.
 
"Plus, the elves in other countries might considered themselves Fereldans, Nevarrans, etc. " The author had Briala say spread the word to all Dalish clans. I'm not so sure they won't come. I guess we have to wait and see.
 
Edit: Your post makes sense. This could just be wishful thinking on my part. I guess i would jump at the chance to be part of a revolution.

  
Well, I don't think the other countries would help Orlais crushing the elven rebellion. I think they'll remain neutral. Though an hyphothetical elven state has to form relationships with the other countries, since it can't afford to have all the human countries as enemies.
I think the dalish plot will be unrelated to the city elves plot (they hinted that dalish are hidden in the Exalted Plains). But it's possible the dalish might come to help the city elves. But I was mostly referring to other city elves in my post.

Well here's my theory on Felassan's master:http://forum.bioware...villain-of-dai/

I think it's an interesting theory, and there are others that think it's possible Fellasan's master is Fen'harel.

[Cobra's_back]

Where is Fellasan from? He is not Dalish. Any hints???

[The Elder King]

Where is Fellasan from? He is not Dalish. Any hints???

From what I've read, he was actually dalish, but left his clan. If i recall, he said that his clan wouldn't do what the Virnhen clan did (summoning Ishmael).

[Cobra's_back]

From what I've read, he was actually dalish, but left his clan. If i recall, he said that his clan wouldn't do what the Virnhen clan did (summoning Ishmael).

 

Thanks. I missed that.

[Wolfen09]

we dont know exactly why he isnt with his clan, it doesnt say specifically that he left

[The Elder King]

we dont know exactly why he isnt with his clan, it doesnt say specifically that he left

You're right. The wikia even stated that he was exiled.

[Wolfen09]

did it? i guess i never caught that in the book